BRT TIS kick-stand kill working

Choter · March 30th, 2011, 04:58 PM

Purchased the programmable unit from Matt, this one was dated 3/16/2011 and it seems now the kill switch for the kick stand is functional he told me to post it up.

randomwalk101 · March 30th, 2011, 05:09 PM

That's cool. I got one of the older one and kick stand is not working. Any way to update the firmware?

choneofakind · March 30th, 2011, 05:17 PM

ok general question here. What are the benefits of advancing the ignition? I know it requires you to use higher octane gas to avoid knocking, but I don't know much other than that

randomwalk101 · March 30th, 2011, 05:20 PM

Cuz stock cdi bad

choneofakind · March 30th, 2011, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randomwalk101

Cuz stock cdi bad

...embellish on that for me maybe?

randomwalk101 · March 30th, 2011, 05:51 PM

Or search the forum may be?

g21-30 · March 30th, 2011, 05:56 PM

May not have to use higher octane gas! YMMV

choneofakind · March 30th, 2011, 06:09 PM

I have been searching. I know that people have changed to the pregen CDI because theirs acts funny when it warms up, but I'm not asking about the physical CDI, I'm wondering what advancing the ignition does.

randomwalk101 · March 30th, 2011, 06:11 PM

Adv timing gives a lil better response and may be hp but I swapped it out bc of bad cdi (fluct rpm).

g21-30 · March 31st, 2011, 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by choneofakind

I have been searching. I know that people have changed to the pregen CDI because theirs acts funny when it warms up, but I'm not asking about the physical CDI, I'm wondering what advancing the ignition does.

http://www.circletrack.com/howto/184...nce/index.html

dubojr1 · March 31st, 2011, 05:48 AM

It helps the fuel to burn more completly as the RPM of the engine gets higher in turn producing slightly better HP in each cylinder.

Hope this helps. This subject can get real technical.

CThunder-blue · March 31st, 2011, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubojr1

It helps the fuel to burn more completly as the RPM of the engine gets higher in turn producing slightly better HP in each cylinder.

Hope this helps. This subject can get real technical.

It makes the spark plugs fire at a different time during the compression stroke. When the timing is advanced, the combustion cycle happens earlier since the spark plug ignites earlier. Hence the term "advanced timing."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignition_timing

Quote:

Timing advance is required because it takes time to burn the air-fuel mixture. Igniting the mixture before the piston reaches TDC will allow the mixture to fully burn soon after the piston reaches TDC. If the air-fuel mixture is ignited at the correct time, maximum pressure in the cylinder will occur sometime after the piston reaches TDC allowing the ignited mixture to push the piston down the cylinder with the greatest force. Ideally, the time at which the mixture should be fully burnt is about 20 degrees ATDC. This will utilize the engine's power producing potential. If the ignition spark occurs at a position that is too advanced relative to piston position, the rapidly expanding air-fuel mixture can actually push against the piston still moving up, causing pre-ignition and possible engine damage. If the spark occurs too retarded relative to the piston position, maximum cylinder pressure will occur after the piston is already traveling too far down the cylinder. This results in lost power, high emissions, and unburned fuel.

Simple answer is that with a correctly timed engine, you will be able to maximize power output.

It's good to know they fixed the kickstand kill switch issue.

tac12345 · March 31st, 2011, 11:39 AM

Nice !

It was the only think that wasn't cool about this CDI.

austexjg · March 31st, 2011, 01:53 PM

I have never forgot about the kickstand, so this was not that big of a deal, but I could see a noobie needing it - kept the original CDI if I resale.

I have the non-programmable unit.

choneofakind · March 31st, 2011, 02:35 PM

Those articles made sense. Now there's 2 things on my list of what Kawasaki should do to the ninja next. FI, and revisit the CDI.

CThunder-blue · March 31st, 2011, 03:03 PM

They already have FI for the ninja, just not in the US.

HKr1 · March 31st, 2011, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by choneofakind

Those articles made sense. Now there's 2 things on my list of what Kawasaki should do to the ninja next. FI, and revisit the CDI.

The FI bikes dont have a CDI.

Then I have to laugh... I was thinking theres nothing in that pic... we need a video. It is when you click on it LOL

ztrack157 · March 31st, 2011, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randomwalk101

Any way to update the firmware?

Nope the new cdi's are built differently.

tac12345 · April 1st, 2011, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ztrack157

Nope the new cdi's are built differently.

the programable and the non programable are fixed ?

Also for street use, the non-programable would be okay i guess ?

ztrack157 · April 1st, 2011, 12:06 PM

They weren't broken in the first place.

I recommend non programmables for anyone who is not doing timed events. The thing I don't like about non programmable is you cannot trouble shoot them. The programmables can be reset.

randomwalk101 · April 1st, 2011, 12:14 PM

how much for a non-prog costs now?

ztrack157 · April 1st, 2011, 12:40 PM

http://www.sportisimoto-usa.com/ignition.php

tac12345 · April 1st, 2011, 12:57 PM

Can you use regular 'super' fuel without adding octane booster when using the non programmable unit ?

randomwalk101 · April 1st, 2011, 01:06 PM

i use 93 octane (premium fuel). There were a couple occasions where I forgot and pumped 87 octane (regular) and it worked just fine.

austexjg · April 1st, 2011, 01:43 PM

How much of a difference did you notice with the second map and 93 octane? I have yet to even hook-up the map button. I have bought a few different set of connectors, but none were the right size to use without slicing the wires coning from the unit - that, and I'm lazy.

March 30th, 2011, 04:58 PM	#1
Choter ninjette.org member Name: Haddie Location: WPB Florida Join Date: Dec 2009 Motorcycle(s): 08 ninja 250r Posts: 25	BRT TIS kick-stand kill working Purchased the programmable unit from Matt, this one was dated 3/16/2011 and it seems now the kill switch for the kick stand is functional he told me to post it up.

March 31st, 2011, 05:48 AM	#11
dubojr1 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Jason Location: Jacksonville, Florida Join Date: May 2010 Motorcycle(s): 09 Ninja 250R SE, 07 Honda CRF230F, 06 Honda CRF150F Posts: A lot.	It helps the fuel to burn more completly as the RPM of the engine gets higher in turn producing slightly better HP in each cylinder. Hope this helps. This subject can get real technical. __________________________________________________ 09 250R SE: Paying it forward one post at a time! Don't forget to add yourself to our Member Map

March 31st, 2011, 03:03 PM	#16
CThunder-blue ModMy250.com Name: Tri Location: St, Louis Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R, 2005 R6 Posts: A lot.	They already have FI for the ninja, just not in the US. __________________________________________________ The www.ModMy250.com guy

April 1st, 2011, 12:06 PM	#20
ztrack157 The Sportisi Master Name: Matt Location: Chico Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250 Posts: A lot.	They weren't broken in the first place. I recommend non programmables for anyone who is not doing timed events. The thing I don't like about non programmable is you cannot trouble shoot them. The programmables can be reset. __________________________________________________ Sportisimoto USA is born.

April 1st, 2011, 12:40 PM	#22
ztrack157 The Sportisi Master Name: Matt Location: Chico Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250 Posts: A lot.	http://www.sportisimoto-usa.com/ignition.php __________________________________________________ Sportisimoto USA is born.

March 30th, 2011, 05:09 PM	#2
randomwalk101 self wrencher Name: john Location: houston Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 250r and 07 600r Posts: A lot.	That's cool. I got one of the older one and kick stand is not working. Any way to update the firmware?

March 30th, 2011, 05:17 PM	#3
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	ok general question here. What are the benefits of advancing the ignition? I know it requires you to use higher octane gas to avoid knocking, but I don't know much other than that

March 30th, 2011, 05:20 PM	#4
randomwalk101 self wrencher Name: john Location: houston Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 250r and 07 600r Posts: A lot.	Cuz stock cdi bad

March 30th, 2011, 05:51 PM	#6
randomwalk101 self wrencher Name: john Location: houston Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 250r and 07 600r Posts: A lot.	Or search the forum may be?

March 30th, 2011, 05:56 PM	#7
g21-30 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Sam Location: Northern Virginia Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R 2009 and ZX-12R 2000 Posts: A lot.	May not have to use higher octane gas! YMMV

March 30th, 2011, 06:09 PM	#8
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	I have been searching. I know that people have changed to the pregen CDI because theirs acts funny when it warms up, but I'm not asking about the physical CDI, I'm wondering what advancing the ignition does.

March 30th, 2011, 06:11 PM	#9
randomwalk101 self wrencher Name: john Location: houston Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 250r and 07 600r Posts: A lot.	Adv timing gives a lil better response and may be hp but I swapped it out bc of bad cdi (fluct rpm).

March 31st, 2011, 11:39 AM	#13
tac12345 ninjette.org member Name: Alexandre Location: Montreal Join Date: Jul 2009 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250r 09 SE Posts: 172	Nice ! It was the only think that wasn't cool about this CDI.

March 31st, 2011, 01:53 PM	#14
austexjg ninjette.org sage Name: J.G. Location: Austin Join Date: Oct 2009 Motorcycle(s): '09 zx6r Green/Black, (ex-)Diablo Black '09 Ninja 250r Posts: 959	I have never forgot about the kickstand, so this was not that big of a deal, but I could see a noobie needing it - kept the original CDI if I resale. I have the non-programmable unit.

March 31st, 2011, 02:35 PM	#15
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	Those articles made sense. Now there's 2 things on my list of what Kawasaki should do to the ninja next. FI, and revisit the CDI.

April 1st, 2011, 12:14 PM	#21
randomwalk101 self wrencher Name: john Location: houston Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 250r and 07 600r Posts: A lot.	how much for a non-prog costs now?

April 1st, 2011, 12:57 PM	#23
tac12345 ninjette.org member Name: Alexandre Location: Montreal Join Date: Jul 2009 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250r 09 SE Posts: 172	Can you use regular 'super' fuel without adding octane booster when using the non programmable unit ?

April 1st, 2011, 01:06 PM	#24
randomwalk101 self wrencher Name: john Location: houston Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 250r and 07 600r Posts: A lot.	i use 93 octane (premium fuel). There were a couple occasions where I forgot and pumped 87 octane (regular) and it worked just fine.

April 1st, 2011, 01:43 PM	#25
austexjg ninjette.org sage Name: J.G. Location: Austin Join Date: Oct 2009 Motorcycle(s): '09 zx6r Green/Black, (ex-)Diablo Black '09 Ninja 250r Posts: 959	How much of a difference did you notice with the second map and 93 octane? I have yet to even hook-up the map button. I have bought a few different set of connectors, but none were the right size to use without slicing the wires coning from the unit - that, and I'm lazy.

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