October 30th, 2011, 04:57 PM | #1 |
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Noob in dire need. rear tire removal. help!
Hi folks,
The title says it all...I was trying to remove the rear tire today and just couldn't...did everything according to the service manual; removed cotter pin and went ahead with trying to unscrew the axle nut (on the right side), I used the 'left loosey' rule and as I turned I noticed that the other bolt (on the swingarm side) turned as well. After multiple tries during which I used a (17mm) wrench to hold the swingarm bolt in place while attempting to unscrew the axle nut, I had to give up because my wrench was digging grooves on the nut by the swingarm side. Obviously the whole thing is too tight and I'm sure further attempts are going to the render the smaller nut useless. What should I do??? I'm using brand new wrenches bought from harbor freight. I would rather not have the bike loaded and taken to a kawi dealership (tight wallet) I also noticed that after all my attempts the rear tire will now only rotate about 1/3 of the way and then stop... p.s. My neighbor mentioned something about 'reverse torque' nuts and that I would have to tighten the screw (turn right) to loosen them...?? I'm sorry...I'm lost...please help. Any suggestion will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Here are some pics : |
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October 30th, 2011, 05:03 PM | #2 |
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as far as I know, I haven't heard anything about kawasaki using "reverse torque" anything on the 250
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October 30th, 2011, 05:06 PM | #3 |
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hmm... never seen this problem before. I usually use a breaker bar on the larger nut and have someone else hold the wrench on the other side. It always works. There aren't any reverse thread bolts on our bikes. At least none that I know of. I know I torque my axle bolt down to 80 foot-pounds. Who was the last person to do maintenance on your rear tire?
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October 30th, 2011, 05:09 PM | #4 |
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The bike has only 799 miles, as far as I know, the previous owner never touched the rear wheel (stock tire)...so, NO, no one has touched it before.
I have applied some WD-40 and am waiting for it to...work it's magic before I try again. .... Oh!...and thanks for the responses guys. |
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October 30th, 2011, 05:12 PM | #5 |
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another thing is to make sure you are using the box end of the wrench and not the crescent end. The box end is the one that is fully enclosed and has lots of "teeth". This will keep you from farking up the bolt and nut.
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October 30th, 2011, 05:15 PM | #6 |
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yup...that's what I'm using...still no gain.
Any idea on why the tire is only rotating 1/3 or so of the way...there is some sort of a resistance, but I can make it rotate fully if I push it (haven't done so though). ... |
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October 30th, 2011, 05:21 PM | #7 |
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!!!!! (so so so ecstatic!)
I DID IT!....The b!tch finally turned!....turns out it need a bit of wd-40. May this be a lesson to all (well...not all...just helpless noobs like moi)....wd-40! THANK YOU SO MUCH, Josh, Chris...and anybody who viewed but was shy...thanks! |
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October 30th, 2011, 05:31 PM | #8 |
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honestly, that has me completely baffled. The only possible thing it could be would be your swing arm binding. Which actually makes sense. Because it would bind like that if the axle nut was tightened down too much. Which would also make it extremely difficult to remove the nut.
The only other thing I can think is that your chain is binding somewhere. Check the tension while you're working back there. You should have about an inch and a quarter - an inch and a half of play half way between the front and rear sprockets (bottom of the chain). |
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October 30th, 2011, 05:33 PM | #9 |
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awesome! Glad you got it! You should go back to harbor freight and invest in one of their torque wrenches. I have two of them. On that does from like 5-20 foot-pounds and another that does 20-150 foot pounds. They will make your life so much easier later down the road. I got them for like 35. The smaller one was I think $12 and the larger like $17. Really a great deal if you ask me.
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October 30th, 2011, 05:36 PM | #10 |
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dumb question about the wheel not turning. The bike isn't in gear is it? I know it seems too simple to be the issue, but the simple things are easiest to check
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October 30th, 2011, 05:37 PM | #11 |
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Thanks brother. I already have a torque wrench (a cheap Chinese make I got from Dolla general 10-150lbs I think), but I'll do as you recommend.
Thanks again for your help man, I really appreciate it. |
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October 30th, 2011, 05:38 PM | #12 |
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Anytime, bro!
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October 30th, 2011, 05:39 PM | #14 |
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If it was in gear you wouldn't be able to turn it by hand either.
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October 30th, 2011, 05:42 PM | #15 |
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Yeah...it's in neutral...and the resistance I felt has drastically decreased ever since II loosened the axle nut, but it's still there. Has the same feeling as pushing your finger into a extra crunchy peanut butter....I can revolve it, but there's something in the way. I'll take a closer look as soon as I remove the whole wheel...now going to tackle the bolts holding the brake caliper...
Thanks again guys for being on this tumultuous journey with me. |
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October 30th, 2011, 05:47 PM | #16 |
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yes you can. If you can turn over the engine with a socket wrench to do a valve adjustment, turning the wheel will also turn the engine. It will just take some oomph. He said it took some force, so it was a valid question. Leaving it in gear was something that could be easily over-looked and just as easily remedied.
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October 30th, 2011, 05:49 PM | #17 |
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good point... Sorry.
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October 30th, 2011, 05:56 PM | #18 |
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if your having that hard of a time taking the axle nut off just wait till you put the tire back on lol! trying to line the brake caliper up while keeping the washers in on each side is a pita!! then adjusting the chain. but usually you remove the nut side first then just smack the axle through with a mallot or something.. should take all of 3mins
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October 30th, 2011, 05:59 PM | #19 |
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Figured out the problem...I should be ashamed but since you guys were racking your brains trying to help me out, I would have done you guys a disservice if I remained silent...
the way I placed my rear stand is the culprit....to be specific, the two rubber supports holding my bike upright, well one of them is contacting one of the bolts on the rear sprocket whilst I'm rotating it. here's a pic.... so ashamed... |
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October 30th, 2011, 06:01 PM | #20 |
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haha DOH!! That's a good thing though. No need to worry about anything on the bike now
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October 30th, 2011, 06:05 PM | #21 |
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Yeah..pew!...sweat off my forehead.
I'm going to lower the bike and re-align the rear stand....since I haven't taken the axle out, it should be ok to still lower the bike right? (the only things I've taken off are the axle nut and it's washer...the axle is still in place) |
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October 30th, 2011, 06:08 PM | #22 |
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yeah it will be fine..
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October 30th, 2011, 06:10 PM | #23 |
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I can't thank you enough guys...I really, REALLY appreciate your company (virtual) and help. THANK YOU!
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October 30th, 2011, 06:15 PM | #24 |
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after cycle gear wouldnt change my stock 130 tire to a 150, i went home.. pulled the wheel off, yanked the tire off the rim.. and reinstalled the new tire..loL! ive been there and done it all with the rear tire/wheel assembly :0
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October 30th, 2011, 10:18 PM | #25 |
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That looks like a fork stand for the front.
Anyway, I've found mine ridiculously tight on two occasions. On one occasion I literally picked up the entire bike by the axle nut! It took blows to ultimately break it loose. Somehow, it seems to get tighter over time. |
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October 30th, 2011, 10:40 PM | #26 |
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Be happy it didn't get looser over time
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October 30th, 2011, 10:48 PM | #27 |
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October 31st, 2011, 05:12 AM | #28 |
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October 31st, 2011, 06:42 AM | #29 |
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It's a cheap ass REAR stand I got off of ebay...I know it's not top notch, but I'm using it till I can save enough to get one of the good ones. (I've been prioritizing gear over tools...).
Peace. |
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FWIW, this is a good thing. I'm sure they'll work as well as paddles but you might want to widen them a bit. Harbor Freight sells one with paddles but also sells optional fork adapters to convert it from a rear stand to a front stand. The front fork adapters look exactly like those except they are attached to square-shaped bars that they dangle from. |
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October 31st, 2011, 07:33 PM | #33 |
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Thanks guys,
I'll definitely reverse the axle when installing. Had my tire ( I decided to go with a stock 130 for now) mounted and balanced for $20 at a local tire shop (felt good about that deal). Anyway, thanks again to all who have chimed in and helped. This is a GREAT forum and I'm glad to be a part of it. Peace. |
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November 1st, 2011, 07:25 AM | #34 |
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Hey there guys,
Quick question, I am getting ready to install my rear tire but I just noticed that the tire was mounted in the 'reverse' direction...the arrow with "rotation" on it is not pointing in the right direction, but reversed. Is this such a big deal? Thanks. |
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November 1st, 2011, 07:57 AM | #35 |
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Well I mean there's a reason why the tread on the tire doesn't look the same from the front and the back... It's designed to work properly when moving the proper direction. Even if it might never cause a problem for you, if you did pay to have the tire mounted, bring it back and make them fix it. For free.
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November 1st, 2011, 08:19 AM | #36 |
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ahh...ok, I guess that's the safest way to go...just can't wait to start riding, tired of drooling on my standing bike.
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November 1st, 2011, 09:16 AM | #37 |
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I'd have them re-do it. If they were careless enough to mount it backwards, how much attention did they pay while mounting and balancing it.
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November 1st, 2011, 12:14 PM | #38 |
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@Alex...you make a valid point man. You see, I had assumed that the tire had been balanced when I saw him (guy who mounted it) revolve the tire around the mounting machine a couple of times after it had been mounted and inflated...now, I'm not so sure. Anyway, I did call them and the guy was nice enough as to tell me to come right on over and get the tire fixed (I'm assuming, again, that he meant for 'free')
Now, I'll be sure to ask if they can balance it. The tire shop deals exclusively with car tires and when I called them initially the guy said he had done a motorcycle tire once in the past and that he could hook me up for $20, so I couldn't resist. (the closest deal was a moto shop that was 15 minutes away and charging $45). I know I'm a cheap bastard, but even if they can't balance the tire, I think I run across a DIY youtube video of balancing a tire propped on two bar seats. ? Anyway, heading over to the shop...fingers crossed. |
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The tread wioll not be able to move water and maintain grip, for one thing.
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November 1st, 2011, 12:44 PM | #40 |
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so the auto store did your motorcycle tire install, and mounted it the wrong way, they didn't balance it either so it seems, no your going to go back and have them do it again, they still won't balance it, or so it seems. So your going to do this yourself ? you need the correct weights, and the plastic hammer, if you use a steel one and hit the rim you will damage it.....
In all honesty, I think the shop that is 15 minutes away, and was charging you 45 bucks would probably have been the quickest, and cheapest route to take.....and it would have been done more than likely the correct way the first time. ohh by the way, did the shop your going to now change the rubber valve as well, they should.... just my 2 cents.....YMMV |
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