Aftermarket Controls

[JBinSD]

OK, rolled my new baby home last night. Only 10 miles on her, and clearly gotta start the mods. Suspension is probably priority one, but also need framesliders, spools, etc, but forgot a big part: controls, ie shorty levers, rearsets, and a Motion Pro 1/4 turn throttle.

I've got all that dialed in on my SV650, now gotta repeat for the 300, anyone have vendor recs for this?

thanx,
Joel

[psych0hans]

p.s. Grartz on your bike we need proof though

[ricochet08]

unfortunately i agree with psych0hans

[Alex]

The thinking is that the hand controls sure look identical from the 08-12's, so levers/grips etc. should be already available. No info that I've seen yet whether the rearset mounts are compatible, nor when frame sliders might be available. Spools are the standard M10 size that the ninjettes and many kawis already use.

[JBinSD]

cool, I defo need to to move the rearsets up and back.

as for pics, it looks like everyone else's 300, but this ones mine

[Aggrotech]

Originally Posted by jbinsd

cool, i defo need to to move the rearsets up and back.

As for pics, it looks like everyone else's 300, but this ones mine :d

get pictures anyway!

[JBinSD]

Have any of you guys found a good aftermarket throttle for the 300? I use a Motion Pro 1/4 turn on my SV, and it makes the throttle on the 300 seem ridiculous, but I don't think they make one for the 300, although it may fit anyway. . .

[CZroe]

Originally Posted by JBinSD

Have any of you guys found a good aftermarket throttle for the 300? I use a Motion Pro 1/4 turn on my SV, and it makes the throttle on the 300 seem ridiculous, but I don't think they make one for the 300, although it may fit anyway. . .

Controls look exactly the same except the changes on the left side (no choke, new passing light). I'll check the parts catalog to compare part numbers. If it's the same, the Motion Pro 250 kit should work. Look for the group buy thread.

[CZroe]

OK, the throttle assembly has changed from Kawasaki part number 46019-0001 on the EX250 to 46019-0060 on the EX300, but this may be due to the grip changing, as the left grip rubber has a different part number too (changed from 46075-1144 to 46075-0564) and the actual right-hand control housing/assembly is the exact same (46091-0205). That's reason to believe the EX250 throttle from Motion Pro will work unless theres a difference in the throttle push/pull cable ends. The grip style looks the same and we know the diameter didn't change because the handlebars are the exact same (yes, I checked), so length probably changed slightly. That shouldn't matter if you slide some things around on the handlebars. Worst case scenario is spacing your bar-ends, getting new bar ends, or drilling new holes for the pegs in the controls and perches.

[JBinSD]

Cool, thanx CZ, how do you have access to those part #'s? I was thinking that since the 300 moved to FI, there may be different throttle cables than carbed models. I read the Motion Pro thread, but it didn't look like they ever got a group buy together, or am I wrong?

the extra play in the stock 300 throttle is definitely something I'd like to address with one of my first mods. . .

[CZroe]

Originally Posted by JBinSD

Cool, thanx CZ, how do you have access to those part #'s? I was thinking that since the 300 moved to FI, there may be different throttle cables than carbed models. I read the Motion Pro thread, but it didn't look like they ever got a group buy together, or am I wrong?

the extra play in the stock 300 throttle is definitely something I'd like to address with one of my first mods. . .

No problem. The part numbers are on the Kawasaki US website. I can't check the UK ones because they don't seem to have it on their website, but a UK parts supplier might just like all the parts sources here have fiches based on the Kawi parts diagrams. Basically, the 300 didn't "move up" to FI in the markets where the 250 was already FI, so the control parts may be the exact same. It still doesn't mean the Motion Pro will work considering that it hasn't been tried on an 2008-2012 FI EX250K yet, but it probably would for the reasons listed.

No, they haven't gotten the GB started yet, but I was pointing you there in case you could get started with them.

[Rexbo]

take a measurement of the fork tube diameter right below the upper triple tree and I'm sure something from woodcraft will fit

[CZroe]

Originally Posted by Rexbo

take a measurement of the fork tube diameter right below the upper triple tree and I'm sure something from woodcraft will fit

We already know that the triple tree is the exact same so the forks are the same diameter and distance apart. We just need to see if the fairings and controls interfere with each other.

[Peanut_EOD]

I went out and bought a 300 today. When I got home I had to confirm a couple of things.
My first suspicion was that was mostly unchanged that the rearsets would be the same. I had my factory rearsets from my 250 laying around so I decided to try them out. They bolted up perfectly. This means that any aftermarket rearsets made for the 08-12 250R should work. The upper fork tubes also measure out the exact same so aftermarket clipons will also work.
I still have to check the exhaust, air filter and rear suspension. I have a feeling they will all be the same way. I'll keep you updated.

[Alex]

Congrats! Thx for the info on the rearsets. We had a hunch, but I believe you're the first on this site to confirm it.

[Peanut_EOD]

Glad I could help. I also put some of my Pirelli take-offs on it. So far I've had it for 4 hours and I still haven't ridden the thing.

[NinjetteNewfie]

Congrats on the new bike! Now go ride it

[psych0hans]

Congratulations on your purchase!!! You make it sound so matter of fact though, lol I do t know whether to hate you or worship you...

[Peanut_EOD]

Originally Posted by psych0hans

Congratulations on your purchase!!! You make it sound so matter of fact though, lol I do t know whether to hate you or worship you...

Worship of course!

[CZroe]

Originally Posted by Peanut_EOD

I went out and bought a 300 today. When I got home I had to confirm a couple of things.
My first suspicion was that was mostly unchanged that the rearsets would be the same. I had my factory rearsets from my 250 laying around so I decided to try them out. They bolted up perfectly. This means that any aftermarket rearsets made for the 08-12 250R should work. The upper fork tubes also measure out the exact same so aftermarket clipons will also work.
I still have to check the exhaust, air filter and rear suspension. I have a feeling they will all be the same way. I'll keep you updated.

Thanks! We already confirmed the triple/bars (same exact part numbers), but I added your info to my thread that seeks to determine the fitment the other way around (300 parts on a 250):
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?p=576509

[Peanut_EOD]

I did a little more tinkering today. The air filters are the same.

[choneofakind]

Is there any way to open the airbox a little to let more air in? Kinda like the snorkel on the 08-12 bike?

[Peanut_EOD]

Yep. It looks like the exact same airbox. It has the same snorkel. Next I'm gonna try the K&N pod filter. Anyone know which one it is off hand? I'm still gonna research it, but if you know the P/N it would help.

[choneofakind]

The K&N R-0990 is the pod filter that fits the 88-07 and 08-12 bikes.

[Peanut_EOD]

Thank you. I don't know why I can never remember that.

[choneofakind]

I sense some modifications in your 300's future that are meant for improving track performance Are you planning on keeping this one on the street or making it a track rat?

[Peanut_EOD]

Both. The 300 doesn't have that big kickstand bracket sticking out the side.

[CZroe]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

I sense some modifications in your 300's future that are meant for improving track performance Are you planning on keeping this one on the street or making it a track rat?

If he traded a ZX-6R, I'm pretty sure it's because he intends to race it.

[Peanut_EOD]

Originally Posted by CZroe

We already know that the triple tree is the exact same so the forks are the same diameter and distance apart. We just need to see if the fairings and controls interfere with each other.

I put the left clipon from my race bike on to my 300 and the bars clear the bodywork better than they do on my 250. They're the Woodcraft Ninja 250 Clipons.

[Peanut_EOD]

Originally Posted by CZroe

If he traded a ZX-6R, I'm pretty sure it's because he intends to race it.

It will get raced, but the main intent is to ride it on the street. The 600 was being wasted on the street. I would have kept it to be a second race bike, but the 250's are just so much damn fun to race!

[Alex]

/merged the two threads talking about aftermarket controls for the 300

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by Peanut_EOD

I put the left clipon from my race bike on to my 300 and the bars clear the bodywork better than they do on my 250. They're the Woodcraft Ninja 250 Clipons.

Nice. Looks like the Kawi boys actually listened.

Will it be possible to sit clip-ons under the triple? Or will they still need the riser that is on many of the 250R clip-ons?

[Peanut_EOD]

That was under the top triple.

[choneofakind]

But were the the ones that are specifically for the 250R like these:


or did they not have the riser, like these:


I only ask because I know that to use ones without the risers on a the 250, you had to either mod the fairing like Rexbo, or put them on top of the triple. If the non-riser kind fit under the triple without issue, that's good for a more aggressive position. I wish my pregen could fit real clipons so I could get more forward than my WC risers allow.

[Peanut_EOD]

The ones I have are the ones with the risers.

[CZroe]

Originally Posted by Peanut_EOD

The ones I have are the ones with the risers.

But, having seen the clearance with risers, does it look like riser-less clip-ons might work?

[Peanut_EOD]

Possibly if they were mounted on top of the triple trees.

[CZroe]

Originally Posted by Peanut_EOD

Possibly if they were mounted on top of the triple trees.

*sigh* Same as the J-series then in that respect. I'm raising my tail so lowering the front is out of the question.

[choneofakind]

Just raise your tail a little less! My tail is raised like 2" and my nose is dropped about 1/4" There's a little headshake if I intentionally hit tracks too quickly and keep the nose unweighted by pinning the throttle, but the bike feels great everywhere else

[CZroe]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

Just raise your tail a little less! My tail is raised like 2" and my nose is dropped about 1/4" There's a little headshake if I intentionally hit tracks too quickly and keep the nose unweighted by pinning the throttle, but the bike feels great everywhere else

Can't find adjustable dogbones that allow raising for the newgen suspension. The Rexbo/Polymoto Engineerig's shorter dogbones are a fixed length. It does raise less than you have, but I weigh a lot more than you (who doesn't? ) and the front end already had trouble with that (diving when braking). I would be exacerbating a known suspension issue. Perhaps with some valve emulators, heavier fork oil, and filling them slightly more (like the 300 does) would let me load it up some more.