Close call with car and Bike

[cuong-nutz]

Link to original page on YouTube.

[250rr]

That's insanity. I can say without reservation that I've never come close to losing control of a car on the freeway like that. I'm not even sure I could make my car do that if I tried.

[Jiggles]

This is the one situation where hitting the brakes instead of the throttle will get you killed

[cuong-nutz]

Originally Posted by 250rr

That's insanity. I can say without reservation that I've never come close to losing control of a car on the freeway like that. I'm not even sure I could make my car do that if I tried.

Yeah, that car looks like he wasn't paying attention to the merging truck and braked and swerved.

[250rr]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

This is the one situation where hitting the brakes instead of the throttle will get you killed

Agreed.

[sombo]

Anyone else notice that the second bike almost got taken out too when the car's back end swung back out from the wall?

In both of those cases the throttle is the correct response.

[EthioKnight]

Dude was extremely lucky...considering he had shorts on and no other perceptible riding gear, other than a helmet, it would have been a horrific accident if they had collided.

[robmilchling]

To me it looked like the driver drifted towards the right a bit, possibly towards the truck that was there, and way overcorrected trying to get it back into the lane, and over corrected even more trying to catch it, then just lost it for good. That is just terrifying.

Holy crap that was too crazy

[Malicious Logic]

My money is on the car driver was on the phone, either talking or texting.

edit: did miss it

[TnNinjaGirl]

How the hell do you loose control of a front wheel drive car in a straight line? That person should be put down because their stupidity is a danger to society. WTF

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by TnNinjaGirl

How the hell do you loose control of a front wheel drive car in a straight line? That person should be put down because their stupidity is a danger to society. WTF

I like the way you think

[alex.s]

holy ****

[Jono]

Well the driver of that car was idiotic. They swerved back into the right lane for no particular reason, then swerved to the left really hard while slamming on the brakes which will cause the tires to completely lose grip. If they didn't touch the brakes it would be safe to assume that they would not have spun out.


Those bikers got really, really lucky!!


But what got my attention the most was the fact they they pulled over to the left side of the interstate. Like waaaaaaaaaa! Did they not just see a car go flying into the left side of the road. Those bikers are almost as retarded as the driver of that car. You just don't pull off to the left side of the interstate. I am pretty sure that is illegal.

[Malicious Logic]

Lol, you say that like there's a magnet that pulled that car to the left side. It could've just as easily swerved to the right side. Probably pulled over to that side because it was closest to where they are, not to mention if they went back to check on the car, I'd rather pull over on the left shoulder then on the right and have a cross a highway on foot. Don't really see the retardation.

[xSean13]

Probably a woman texting!

[sombo]

It's not illegal to pull over on the left side. If there is enough room and it's safer than crossing 2-4 lanes of traffic, then you are supposed to pull off to that side. I see people pulled off to the left all the time. I also see cops pull people over onto the left as well. In one way it's safer because you have your car there as a barrier between you and traffic where as on the right you get out of the car almost into traffic. Of course that part doesn't mean squat for bikes, but it's just an example. I've had to pull over on the left before.

[drac]

Originally Posted by sombo

Anyone else notice that the second bike almost got taken out too when the car's back end swung back out from the wall?

In both of those cases the throttle is the correct response.

Are you friggin; kidding me........................that second bike that came up on the left was an idiot! He should of been hard on the binders well before he ever got near the car bouncing off the wall. Sorry but that guy F'ed up bad.

[sombo]

Originally Posted by drac

Are you friggin; kidding me........................that second bike that came up on the left was an idiot! He should of been hard on the binders well before he ever got near the car bouncing off the wall. Sorry but that guy F'ed up bad.

If he had been "hard on the binders", he would have the entire car blocking his lane with little to no path of escape. His best move was to get over to the right and get past that car as fast as possible because you don't know what that car will do next. If it's still in front you and heading in your direction, then you are far more at risk than if it's behind you heading away. He should have gotten further over to the right, but gunning it was better than trying to stop.

[greenenvie]

Here is one from a guy reviewing a bmw s1000rr(awesome bike btw).

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9TxEw1LunfM

[drac]

Originally Posted by sombo

If he had been "hard on the binders", he would have the entire car blocking his lane with little to no path of escape. His best move was to get over to the right and get past that car as fast as possible because you don't know what that car will do next. If it's still in front you and heading in your direction, then you are far more at risk than if it's behind you heading away. He should have gotten further over to the right, but gunning it was better than trying to stop.

Ummmmmmmm.......no

[sombo]

Originally Posted by drac

Ummmmmmmm.......no

Ummmmmm.......... yes.

[EsrTek]

Originally Posted by drac

Are you friggin; kidding me........................that second bike that came up on the left was an idiot! He should of been hard on the binders well before he ever got near the car bouncing off the wall. Sorry but that guy F'ed up bad.

Kinda agree, To me his mistake was not changing lanes at the least.
Although I can't say if speeding up or slowing down would've been better, to me it didn't seem like he did neither, just kept same pace and moved to inside of lane.

Anyway I wonder wtf made that car do that, might have blown a tire?

[drac]

The first guys through was screwed. He was entirely at the mercy of dumb luck, a pretty bad pace to be in any vehicle let alone a motorcycle but those things happen.

The second guy had the opportunity to brake hard and take control of the situation. He didn't do that which left him at the mercy of lady luck also.

Sombo, if that happens to you and you choose to "gas it" and pray that you get by unscathed be my guest. Me, I am going to make every effort to control my own destiny.

[sombo]

Drac, if that happens to you and you brake, I pray you don't end up in the driver's side of the car. Braking isn't always the best answer, this is one of those times. If he had braked hard he still would have had enough speed to make impact with the car that was spinning around toward him and would now be blocking the entire lane. His best course of action was to move to the right and speed up. Slowing down keeps the uncontrolled car in front of you with no way of knowing what it will do next. So go ahead and hit your brakes hard in that case. I'll visit you in the hospital.

[drac]

His best move was to get over to the right and get past that car as fast as possible because you don't know what that car will do next.

Slowing down keeps the uncontrolled car in front of you with no way of knowing what it will do next.

You said that twice now and I completely disagree. I would rather have a vehicle that is out off control in front of me as opposed to having that same out of control vehicle NEXT to me. Even if it is just for a second. You said it yourself the car was out of control. If it is in front of me I am in control of the situation. If it is beside me I am just a passenger at that point.

[robmilchling]

Guys, remember that we're looking at this from a controlled point of view, with a good vantage point of everything occurring, the rider wouldn't have really anytime to think about this(as the entire incident happened all within 3 sec), and so acted on what he likely thought was the best course of action based upon what he was seeing. I agree that the 2nd rider should've moved over towards the right more than just shifting his lane position over a bit, but no reason to call him an idiot for acting on his own instincts based on the information he had to work with. I wouldn't be surprised to see a rider lock his brakes up in a situation like this, making it much much worse.

We all have had to make split decisions, luckily for most of us our reactions and instincts have led us away from danger, the second rider was incredibly lucky to have missed the car swinging back out like that.

[drac]

Originally Posted by robmilchling

Guys, remember that we're looking at this from a controlled point of view, with a good vantage point of everything occurring, the rider wouldn't have really anytime to think about this(as the entire incident happened all within 3 sec), and so acted on what he likely thought was the best course of action based upon what he was seeing. I agree that the 2nd rider should've moved over towards the right more than just shifting his lane position over a bit, but no reason to call him an idiot for acting on his own instincts based on the information he had to work with. I wouldn't be surprised to see a rider lock his brakes up in a situation like this, making it much much worse.

We all have had to make split decisions, luckily for most of us our reactions and instincts have led us away from danger, the second rider was incredibly lucky to have missed the car swinging back out like that.

I agree that he had to make a split second decision. I was calling him an idiot in the same way I would do it to myself after an incident like this. I have had close calls and after replaying it in my head I have on more than one occasion said to myself..."John, you're an idiot. What I should have done is blah blah blah...."..........

Funny how the right move to make in a split second decision is easy when you watch it 5 times on utube...................

[sombo]

And I'm still saying drac that braking would put that level of control in the mercy of that car. At the speed, with the time he had, if he had braked hard like you suggest, the car would have had time to spin all the way back out and towards him blocking off the escape the right. I don't know if you noticed, but that car ended up spinning greater than 360 after contacting the wall. It was also moving towards the rider. These two combined would make it nearly impossible to avoid collision if you slowed down.

Think about this, ok you brake hard. Now the car is fully blocking your lane spinning directly at you still doing about 30mph with you probably still doing about 45-50mph at this point. At this point you absolutely have to cut to the right and cut hard. If you try that while still hard on the brakes you'll wind up in a low-side at best. Of course that is if you don't lock up the brakes from trying to apply too much brake in a vain attempt to stop before the car runs you over. If they lock up on you then you're still hitting that car.

In this case, keeping that car in front of you is going to get you hurt or killed. You want to get over to the right and get past it as quickly as possible. The more time you let that car stay in front of you, the more chance there is of you not being able to avoid it.

[CZroe]

I could swear that I'd seen this same video months ago.

[Alex]

I've seen it on another forum, not sure if was posted here. At least it hasn't been with the same video ID.

I hate to be that guy that says "that happened to me!" too often, but what happened in the video was pretty much spot-on with a near-miss for me a few years ago riding back from the Sunday morning ride.

I was in the left lane (lane 1) of 880 south, where it is 4 lanes wide just south of Oakland. A car merging from lane 4 to lane 3 sideswipes another car that is already in lane 3. The car slews right, the driver over corrects and starts heading left very quickly.

At the time I was moving a bit faster than both cars, so while I saw this happening, I was already almost even with them when I saw the first one start to lose control. I chose gas instead of brake, and the car passed behind me on its way to hitting the divider (and me hearing all of those exciting squealing sounds of all the traffic behind trying to stop right quick).

Braking isn't always the best choice, accelerating isn't always the best choice. Worst choice is hesitation and letting something just happen instead of at least actively attempting to avoid the worst outcome.

In the video above, I don't think the rider who had the closest call even noticed anything was going on until well afterwards. No swerve, no brake, no acceleration, just a constant path straight ahead at the same speed. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good!

[cbdallas]

This is exactly what's wrong with most cage drivers. Their idea of the best way to handle an incursion is to slam the brakes and jerk the wheel. If they had simply braked hard, the ABS would've kept them straight and all that horror could've been avoided.

[sombo]

Originally Posted by cbdallas

This is exactly what's wrong with most cage drivers. Their idea of the best way to handle an incursion is to slam the brakes and jerk the wheel. If they had simply braked hard, the ABS would've kept them straight and all that horror could've been avoided.

If they had ABS. Most cars still don't have ABS these days but have much stronger brakes than they used to. So it's become increasingly easy to lock them up these days.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by sombo

If they had ABS. Most cars still don't have ABS these days but have much stronger brakes than they used to. So it's become increasingly easy to lock them up these days.

I have no data on this, but I feel like the vast majority of cars on the road have ABS

[cbdallas]

Right now, base versions of some compacts come without it, but I can't think of a late-model American mid-size sedan like the one above that doesn't have it ABS. I believe the car in the video is a Malibu.

Next year, federal law will require all cars and light trucks to come with standard electronic stability control, which relies on an antilock braking system to apply the brakes at individual wheels to prevent skids. So all vehicles will be required to have ABS in 2012. So even an idiot in a Kia Rio won't have an excuse.

[CZroe]

Originally Posted by cbdallas

Right now, base versions of some compacts come without it, but I can't think of a late-model American mid-size sedan like the one above that doesn't have it ABS. I believe the car in the video is a Malibu.

Next year, federal law will require all cars and light trucks to come with standard electronic stability control, which relies on an antilock braking system to apply the brakes at individual wheels to prevent skids. So all vehicles will be required to have ABS in 2012. So even an idiot in a Kia Rio won't have an excuse.

Unfortunately, I've been in more ABS-equipped vehicles with the TPMS or ABS light on than not, so I have to wonder when they'll make a law requiring users to keep it maintained/functional.

[massacremasses]

****

[cbdallas]

Originally Posted by CZroe

Unfortunately, I've been in more ABS-equipped vehicles with the TPMS or ABS light on than not, so I have to wonder when they'll make a law requiring users to keep it maintained/functional.

The law is already on the books, but only in states that require yearly inspections. You can't pass an inspection in Texas with any of those lights on. Unfortunately, not all states bother inspecting, and then there's the people who don't bother getting an inspection and somehow get away with it.