event data recorder on the 300....Really??

[RockyCapone]

Guess we should of seen this coming with F.I. Big brother always watching.

[EsrTek]

wtf are you talking about

[lgk]

are you saying the ECU logs data?

[RockyCapone]

records the last 5 seconds prior to a crash from what I understand. If thats the case I dont like that.

[csmith12]

Cars have been doing it for years. And I know first hand from experience, the po po will go after it if they think it can help their case.

Ain't technology a b*tch sometimes.

[RockyCapone]

Originally Posted by csmith12

Cars have been doing it for years. And I know first hand from experience, the po po will go after it if they think it can help their case.

Ain't technology a b*tch sometimes.

Thats what I was afraid of!!!! Now in todays world people record the rides a lot, and if something happens and you record it the police can take your camera like it or not. Now that the bike records info can they take the bike? Im sure they can figure something out. NOT to mention if you mod the bike-I'm sure warranty would love an excuse to file your claim. Well played Kawasaki.....well playedSo, look forward to bike seizures after every accident

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by RockyCapone

Thats what I was afraid of!!!! Now in todays world people record the rides a lot, and if something happens and you record it the police can take your camera like it or not. Now that the bike records info can they take the bike? Im sure they can figure something out. NOT to mention if you mod the bike-I'm sure warranty would love an excuse to file your claim. Well played Kawasaki.....well played

Now when you run into that truck going 100mph you can't say you were doing 65. Too bad.

[RockyCapone]

Whoever has a new 300 does it mention this in the owners manual?

[lgk]

Originally Posted by RockyCapone

Thats what I was afraid of!!!! Now in todays world people record the rides a lot, and if something happens and you record it the police can take your camera like it or not. Now that the bike records info can they take the bike? Im sure they can figure something out. NOT to mention if you mod the bike-I'm sure warranty would love an excuse to file your claim. Well played Kawasaki.....well playedSo, look forward to bike seizures after every accident

"black box" tech is a double edged sword, it can really help you win or make you fail.

you just have to be more careful of how you mod a bike, and what you do...

i plan on disabling it, and gutting the bike.
the warranty won't matter too much to me...

[Alex]

Yes, there is a note in the owners manual about an EDR on board. The law is very young for these. Some companies will only release it to law enforcement after subpoenas, others are more forthcoming.

/moved to the "300 discussion" area

[csmith12]

I don't think you will have to worry about bike seizures in general. In my friends crash there was a "wrongful death" case pending and they wanted it to help their case. Getting speed of travel WAS their goal. It doesn't really track your speed at any given time but there is enough data there about timing, air vs fuel mix and so on to give an estimate of speed. Not sure how well it holds up in court though. Guess I will find out.

[alex.s]

does this mean i can put the progressive spy device on a 300 and get obsurd insurance rates?

[xSean13]

Here's an idea: don't speed or break the law.

[Alex]

No, the bike does not have an OBDII port like cars. While the electronics on some bikes are certainly getting sophisticated enough to support such standard ports, none of them have them as of yet. I would be curious what interface is used to read the data from the EDR, or if it requires removal of the device itself from the bike to get at the data.

[Sapper]

Originally Posted by xSean13

Here's an idea: don't speed or break the law.

[Nemesis]

Originally Posted by xSean13

Here's an idea: don't speed or break the law.

Here's a better idea: Just don't get caught when you do break the law.

[psych0hans]

Originally Posted by xSean13

Here's an idea: don't speed or break the law.

Not sure if that's ever possible in my part of town... Lol

[xSean13]

Originally Posted by psych0hans

Not sure if that's ever possible in my part of town... Lol

Lol, well, idk how the culture is down there.

Originally Posted by Nemesis

Here's a better idea: Just don't get caught when you do break the law.

Better? Not really. Alternative idea? Yes.

[choneofakind]

I don't see an issue with this. It's been in cars and planes forever.

1) If I have an accident that's my fault, I'm fessing up to it and fixing it. I won't blame someone else for my mistake. Therefore, big brother knowing how fast I was moving is not an issue.
2) If I get into an accident that's not my fault, I want proof that what I'm saying is true. That's the same reason I ride with a camera. (well, before it broke...)

[StephenA]

Originally Posted by xSean13

Here's an idea: don't speed or break the law.

exxxactly.

[250rr]

Originally Posted by xSean13

Here's an idea: don't speed or break the law.

I will never advocate breaking the law. The only problem is when local governmental agencies purposely set speed limits low to set up speed traps, rather than relying on traffic engineer's studies. Often for revenue generating goals.

From the National Motorists Association website:

"Speed limits should be based on sound traffic-engineering principles that consider responsible motorists' actual travel speeds.

Typically, this should result in speed limits set at the 85th percentile speed of free-flowing traffic (the speed under which 85 percent of traffic is traveling).

These limits should be periodically adjusted to reflect changes in actual traffic speeds."

[choneofakind]

^^ True that. Revenue builders suck

[bdavison]

What's that deadman's cord go to?

50,000 volt stun gun set to fry ECU in the event I dump it. Eat that progressive.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by bdavison

What's that deadman's cord go to?

50,000 volt stun gun set to fry ECU in the event I dump it. Eat that progressive.

Nice, turn a driveway drop into a complete electrical replacement

[lgk]

Originally Posted by bdavison

What's that deadman's cord go to?

50,000 volt stun gun set to fry ECU in the event I dump it. Eat that progressive.

might as well rap the ecu in priming fuse and fill the seat with magnesium flakes.
works like a charm.

there will be no evidence left, lol.

[LiquidShell]

If you're involved in crash on your motorcycle where the EDR data needs to be downloaded and interpreted, its content will not concern you because you will be DEAD. They are used during investigations of fatal crashes or those with serious bodily injuries where death is probable. **Search warrant or owner's consent required **

[alex.s]

its true. only a judge can take your data.

[JBinSD]

yeah, but as one of those damn attorneys, if I want the info, I can issue a subpoena all on my own, and get that info easily. As always, it helps or hurts, but accountability is always growing and big bro is always watching. . .

[ally99]

Originally Posted by xSean13

Here's an idea: don't speed or break the law.

Wut? **** that.

[ddrmanxbxfr]

Anyhow, that doesn't make any sense putting a recorder to get stats like speed.

You could do a track day and do a lot of WOT then after your track day, get hit by a car. They'll read the ECU «uh uh he was doing triple digits mph».

Meh not true was on the track.

Oh well can't do much about it.

[ddrmanxbxfr]

Originally Posted by lgk

might as well rap the ecu in priming fuse and fill the seat with magnesium flakes.
works like a charm.

there will be no evidence left, lol.

ooohh yeah

[lgk]

Originally Posted by ddrmanxbxfr

ooohh yeah

one of the coolest things i did in chemistry class, lol.

for science

[LoneRonin]

Originally Posted by xSean13

Here's an idea: don't speed or break the law.

No, just don't crash or get caught...

**** the Police, Support the Troops.

[xSean13]

Originally Posted by LoneRonin

No, just don't crash or get caught...

**** the Police, Support the Troops.

My brother-in-law is a police officer. Police put their life on the line every day/night to protect people. They deal with the worst kinds of people on a daily basis, which molds their attitude to be extra cautious with people and may come off as douchey. **** the police, really? Grow up, dude.

[LoneRonin]

Originally Posted by xSean13

My brother-in-law is a police officer. Police put their life on the line every day/night to protect people. They deal with the worst kinds of people on a daily basis, which molds their attitude to be extra cautious with people and may come off as douchey. **** the police, really? Grow up, dude.

Half those mofos are the worst kinds of people themselves. I speak from my own interactions and dealings with them...
This is them at their finest. Yes, I know they're not all like this but when there's 5-6 armed men kicking the **** out of a defenseless unarmed individual, I don't give a **** what his crime is, that's straight thuggery...Ask you bro in law what he thinks about this video and his fellow officers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDTIviQp2pM

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by LoneRonin

Half those mofos are the worst kinds of people themselves. I speak from my own interactions and dealings with them...
This is them at their finest. Yes, I know they're not all like this but when there's 5-6 armed men kicking the **** out of a defenseless unarmed individual, I don't give a **** what his crime is, that's straight thuggery...Ask you bro in law what he thinks about this video and his fellow officers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDTIviQp2pM

And all bikers are a bunch of asshole stunting pricks

Link to original page on YouTube.

Yea, thats YOUR logic right there, hardly something to be proud of.

[Peanut_EOD]

Originally Posted by lgk

might as well rap the ecu in priming fuse and fill the seat with magnesium flakes.
works like a charm.

there will be no evidence left, lol.

That won't work and there will be plenty of evidence.Trust me....

[lgk]

Originally Posted by Peanut_EOD

That won't work and there will be plenty of evidence.Trust me....

i trust you based your screen name

i figured the 800 degree starter would damage the electronics/soldering to the point of costing too much money to salvage and the magnesium fire would erase the data in the chip by melting parts of it.

wasnt trying to destroy the whole bike, lol.
i want the motor bad

[LoneRonin]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

And all bikers are a bunch of asshole stunting pricks

Yea, thats YOUR logic right there, hardly something to be proud of.

No. A rider cannot be held accountable to follow a code of conduct or anything similar. Whether they choose to follow the law is their decision.

A cop is obligated to be lawful in their conduct while performing their duties. Whether or not what they were doing is lawful is up to you to decide...

In one scene you see the guy flying outta the car that's flipping over and laying face down, then 4-5 cops all take turns pounding him in the back of the head. How the hell can you explain that??

Imagine a rider decided to run from the cops and ends up going down, then the cops rolled up on his limp lifeless body and started beating the hell out of him. Would you be ok with that??

[Peanut_EOD]

Originally Posted by lgk

i trust you based your screen name

i figured the 800 degree starter would damage the electronics/soldering to the point of costing too much money to salvage and the magnesium fire would erase the data in the chip by melting parts of it.

wasnt trying to destroy the whole bike, lol.
i want the motor bad

Fair enough. I just try to stick to the track so I don't need to be concerned with the data logger.