ninjette.org

Go Back   ninjette.org > General > Riding Skills

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old December 2nd, 2012, 08:45 AM   #1
Motofool
Daily Ninjette rider
 
Motofool's Avatar
 
Name: Hernan
Location: Florida
Join Date: Mar 2011

Motorcycle(s): 2007 Ninja 250

Posts: A lot.
MOTY - 2016, MOTM - Dec '12, Jan '14, Jan '15, May '16
Keep your controls covered while riding on the street

http://www.sportrider.com/features/1...e_maintenance/

"It may sound a bit cliché-ish to tout mental and physical preparedness before riding a motorcycle, but when it come to riding on the street, your survival may depend on it."
__________________________________________________
Motofool
.................................Never ride faster than your guardian angel can fly
"Mankind is composed of two sorts of men — those who love and create, and those who hate and destroy. Love is the bond between men, the way to teach and the center of the world." - José Martí
Motofool is offline   Reply With Quote




Old December 2nd, 2012, 11:14 AM   #2
akima
Nooblet
 
akima's Avatar
 
Name: Akima
Location: England
Join Date: Jul 2011

Motorcycle(s): 2011 Ninja 250R FI

Posts: A lot.
Blog Entries: 5
MOTM - Oct '13
Why do motorcross riders slip the clutch on the way out of a corner?
akima is offline   Reply With Quote


Old December 2nd, 2012, 11:48 AM   #3
Blystr842
Venom Sponsored
 
Name: Jon
Location: Waco, TX
Join Date: Nov 2012

Motorcycle(s): 08 Ninja 250R x2 (his & hers), 05 Honda CRF250R

Posts: 223
Better launch out of the corners.
Blystr842 is offline   Reply With Quote


Old February 24th, 2013, 09:41 PM   #4
Motofool
Daily Ninjette rider
 
Motofool's Avatar
 
Name: Hernan
Location: Florida
Join Date: Mar 2011

Motorcycle(s): 2007 Ninja 250

Posts: A lot.
MOTY - 2016, MOTM - Dec '12, Jan '14, Jan '15, May '16
http://www.promocycle.com/documentat...freinage_a.pdf
__________________________________________________
Motofool
.................................Never ride faster than your guardian angel can fly
"Mankind is composed of two sorts of men — those who love and create, and those who hate and destroy. Love is the bond between men, the way to teach and the center of the world." - José Martí
Motofool is offline   Reply With Quote


Old March 11th, 2013, 03:42 PM   #5
akima
Nooblet
 
akima's Avatar
 
Name: Akima
Location: England
Join Date: Jul 2011

Motorcycle(s): 2011 Ninja 250R FI

Posts: A lot.
Blog Entries: 5
MOTM - Oct '13
Quote:
Originally Posted by Motofool View Post
Interesting.
akima is offline   Reply With Quote


Old May 4th, 2013, 02:29 PM   #6
Motofool
Daily Ninjette rider
 
Motofool's Avatar
 
Name: Hernan
Location: Florida
Join Date: Mar 2011

Motorcycle(s): 2007 Ninja 250

Posts: A lot.
MOTY - 2016, MOTM - Dec '12, Jan '14, Jan '15, May '16
"Another technique that has saved me countless times on the street is mentally planning escape routes as I ride............The biggest benefit of mentally planning escape routes is that when an incursion into your path does happen, you’re not only prepared for it, but the chances of you target-fixating on the hazard (the main obstacle to avoiding a collision in most traffic accidents in my opinion) are greatly reduced because you’ve already visualized the situation."

http://forums.superb...p?showtopic=579

"If you think what I am saying is: you have to push through the fear barriers to get to clean riding, you are right; but the push comes after the understanding of where your attention should or should not be focused.

.........There are basic principals to riding. What you ride doesn't change them. Where you ride doesn't change them. How fast you ride doesn't change them. They are what they are: they are not based on my opinions about them, they are based on well defined and easily understood basic principals you will understand.

.........It has taken 30 years of devoted time and attention to separate the important from the unimportant and to figure out ways we can trick ourselves into giving up the resist-error-resist-terror way of doing things in favor of the focus-flow-focus-go mode............." - Keith Code
__________________________________________________
Motofool
.................................Never ride faster than your guardian angel can fly
"Mankind is composed of two sorts of men — those who love and create, and those who hate and destroy. Love is the bond between men, the way to teach and the center of the world." - José Martí
Motofool is offline   Reply With Quote


Old May 4th, 2013, 03:07 PM   #7
akima
Nooblet
 
akima's Avatar
 
Name: Akima
Location: England
Join Date: Jul 2011

Motorcycle(s): 2011 Ninja 250R FI

Posts: A lot.
Blog Entries: 5
MOTM - Oct '13
Quote:
Originally Posted by Motofool View Post
"focus-flow-focus-go"
I like
akima is offline   Reply With Quote


Old May 4th, 2013, 03:50 PM   #8
JohnnyBravo
Certifiable nontundrum
 
JohnnyBravo's Avatar
 
Name: Harper
Location: NC Milkshake stand
Join Date: Mar 2013

Motorcycle(s): 2013 SE NINJA 300

Posts: Too much.
MOTM - Sep '13, Sep '16
Great read an info
JohnnyBravo is offline   Reply With Quote


Old May 4th, 2013, 07:54 PM   #9
Boom King
So, where's the reverse?
 
Boom King's Avatar
 
Name: Anson
Location: Ontario, Canada
Join Date: Nov 2010

Motorcycle(s): 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R

Posts: A lot.
Interesting concept about always riding with your controls covered. In our safety course years ago, we were told not to because as beginners we were prone to panic. Covering the brakes and having a beginner panic can be a dangerous situation. Possibly equally counter-productive; having a lack of control or experience and going over an unexpected obstacle with a jolt while covering the brake can also put you in a bad spot. Once a rider becomes more acquainted with that front brake, covering it while riding at high speeds could be prudent.

I don't cover my brakes because I don't have large hands and doing that for an entire ride is straining. As a compromise, I will cover my front brake when I approach a situation where I think I might need it and there is no escape route. Helps keeps me alert as if I'm going to cover the front lever, I'm also usually rolling off the throttle a bit. The rear brake on the 250 locks ups so easily that I only use it and cover it at slower speeds.
Boom King is offline   Reply With Quote


1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
Old May 4th, 2013, 08:01 PM   #10
Panda
not an actual panda
 
Name: dan
Location: philadelphia
Join Date: Aug 2012

Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250, 2009 CBR600RR (Sold)

Posts: A lot.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boom King View Post
I don't cover my brakes because I don't have large hands and doing that for an entire ride is straining.
Adjustable levers might help you out.
Panda is offline   Reply With Quote


Old May 4th, 2013, 08:10 PM   #11
Boom King
So, where's the reverse?
 
Boom King's Avatar
 
Name: Anson
Location: Ontario, Canada
Join Date: Nov 2010

Motorcycle(s): 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R

Posts: A lot.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Panda View Post
Adjustable levers might help you out.
I hear you. One of the items on my to-mod list.
Boom King is offline   Reply With Quote


Old May 4th, 2013, 09:08 PM   #12
antiant
antiant
 
antiant's Avatar
 
Name: antiant
Location: Cali
Join Date: Aug 2012

Motorcycle(s): None

Posts: A lot.
MOTM - Oct '14
Quote:
Originally Posted by Motofool View Post
"Another technique that has saved me countless times on the street is mentally planning escape routes as I ride............The biggest benefit of mentally planning escape routes is that when an incursion into your path does happen, you’re not only prepared for it, but the chances of you target-fixating on the hazard (the main obstacle to avoiding a collision in most traffic accidents in my opinion) are greatly reduced because you’ve already visualized the situation."
Agreed and to add... this is basic defensive riding and or driving 101. I already do this when I'm driving in my car, as it is a habit for me and something that comes natural. Also, to take this tangent and stretch it into a "bigger picture" scenario, you could also apply this philosophy and or "hypersensitivity/hyper awareness" to not only riding or driving, but life in general, or any relationship that implies cause and effect. It's called being intuitively aware of your surroundings. When you are aware in such a way, you're able to pick-up the signs much quicker and are able to react quicker because of those subtle signs. This can apply to martial arts, driving, Debbie Downers at work (aka drama queens), or any encounter you do not want to be apart of. It's taking control in your own hands, by covering all your bases, finding the vulnerabilities and figuring out how to overcome them (self-sufficiency), so that the impact is not as detrimental, or has little effect on you. It's amazing what you can control when you have awareness of a given situation.
antiant is offline   Reply With Quote


1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
Old May 5th, 2013, 07:55 AM   #13
Motofool
Daily Ninjette rider
 
Motofool's Avatar
 
Name: Hernan
Location: Florida
Join Date: Mar 2011

Motorcycle(s): 2007 Ninja 250

Posts: A lot.
MOTY - 2016, MOTM - Dec '12, Jan '14, Jan '15, May '16
Cool

Quote:
Originally Posted by antiant View Post
........It's called being intuitively aware of your surroundings..........
Excellent post, antiant !!!
I also cover the brake pedal of my wife's car each time I cross a traffic light on green.

Covering the controls (no permanently but according to the traffic situations) save us almost one second of reaction time.
A mental state of quiet awareness (in-the-zone, as Lee Parks calls it in his book Total Control) may save us from a bad crash.

If one looks close, it becomes evident that the very source of many traffic accidents, involving single or multiple vehicles is the absolutely opposite attitude: distraction.

Excluding drugs and alcohol, the reasons to be distracted and partially isolated from the surroundings, visually and mentally may be: worries, anger, cell phone talking, fears, discomfort (pain, cold, hot), day-dreams, etc.

The results are always the same: tunnel vision, impaired recognition of danger and delayed mental processing and reaction.

We ride in an ocean of distracted drivers, who are not responsible for our safety (yes, only we are); hence, we cannot afford to ride distracted.


At least, most drivers around us are anxious and constantly thinking about their financial, work and family problems with no other reason or passion for driving than moving from A to B as quickly as possible.
At worst, some drivers are not even looking forward.

Unfortunately, that mental uneasiness also affect riders, especially inexperienced and young ones, who ride partially distracted at times.
That distraction is evident in many of the motorcycle's crash videos that we watch, where reaction time and response are very poor.

This study explains the complicated processes that happen inside the distracted brain (it is targeted for cell phones, but it is applicable to any other distraction, IMHO) and why so many drivers look directly at us and still their brains don't "see" us:

http://www.nsc.org/safety_road/Distr...te%20Paper.pdf

"Multitasking is a myth. Human brains do not perform two tasks at the same time. Instead, the brain handles tasks sequentially, switching between one task and another. Brains can juggle tasks very rapidly, which leads us to erroneously believe we are doing two tasks at the same time. In reality, the brain is switching attention between tasks – performing only one task at a time.

The brain not only juggles tasks, it also juggles focus and attention. When people attempt to perform two cognitively complex tasks, the brain shifts its focus. Important information falls out of view and is not processed by the brain. For example, drivers may not see a red light. Because this is a process people are not aware of, it’s virtually impossible for people to realize they are mentally taking on too much.

Brain researchers have identified “reaction-time switching costs,” which is a measurable time when the brain is switching its attention and focus from one task to another. Longer reaction time is an outcome of the brain switching focus. This impacts driving performance.

Brains may face a “bottleneck” in which different regions of the brain must pull from a shared and limited resource for seemingly unrelated tasks, constraining the mental resources available for the tasks.

During the vast majority of road trips, nothing bad happens, as it should be. But that also can lead people to feel a false sense of security or competency when driving. Drivers may believe they can safely multitask; however, a driver always must be prepared to respond to the unexpected.

Inattention Blindness – Vision is the most important sense we use for safe driving. It’s the source of the majority of information when driving. Cognitive distraction contributes to a withdrawal of attention from the visual scene, where all the information the driver sees is not processed. This may be due to the earlier discussion of how our brains compensate for receiving too much information by not sending some visual information to the working memory. When this happens, drivers are not aware of the filtered information and cannot act on it.

Distracted drivers experience inattention blindness. They are looking out the windshield, but do not process everything in the roadway environment necessary to effectively monitor their surroundings, seek and identify potential hazards, and to respond to unexpected situations. Their field of view narrows. The danger of inattention blindness is that when a driver fails to notice events in the driving environment, either at all or too late, it’s impossible to execute a safe response such as a steering maneuver or braking to avoid a crash."
__________________________________________________
Motofool
.................................Never ride faster than your guardian angel can fly
"Mankind is composed of two sorts of men — those who love and create, and those who hate and destroy. Love is the bond between men, the way to teach and the center of the world." - José Martí
Motofool is offline   Reply With Quote


Old July 18th, 2013, 08:58 PM   #14
Motofool
Daily Ninjette rider
 
Motofool's Avatar
 
Name: Hernan
Location: Florida
Join Date: Mar 2011

Motorcycle(s): 2007 Ninja 250

Posts: A lot.
MOTY - 2016, MOTM - Dec '12, Jan '14, Jan '15, May '16
Cool

http://www.sportrider.com/riding_tip...he_rear_brake/

"On the street, the rear brake can be used more effectively simply because you’re using less braking force and consequently there is more weight on the rear tire to use for braking traction. Notice in Figure 2, for example, that there is rarely less than 100 kilograms of weight on the back tire, meaning the rear tire is still planted to the tarmac. Using the rear brake in this occasion will therefore have a greater influence on the bike’s handling characteristics.

The rear brake is one of the most misused controls on a motorcycle, which is why it’s important to better understand its benefits in different situations. Accustom yourself to your binder’s performance by using it first in a controlled environment, and then use it accordingly on your next outing. Proper application will undoubtedly make you a safer rider both on the street and at the track."


__________________________________________________
Motofool
.................................Never ride faster than your guardian angel can fly
"Mankind is composed of two sorts of men — those who love and create, and those who hate and destroy. Love is the bond between men, the way to teach and the center of the world." - José Martí
Motofool is offline   Reply With Quote


Old May 25th, 2014, 11:46 AM   #15
Motofool
Daily Ninjette rider
 
Motofool's Avatar
 
Name: Hernan
Location: Florida
Join Date: Mar 2011

Motorcycle(s): 2007 Ninja 250

Posts: A lot.
MOTY - 2016, MOTM - Dec '12, Jan '14, Jan '15, May '16
__________________________________________________
Motofool
.................................Never ride faster than your guardian angel can fly
"Mankind is composed of two sorts of men — those who love and create, and those who hate and destroy. Love is the bond between men, the way to teach and the center of the world." - José Martí
Motofool is offline   Reply With Quote


Old May 25th, 2014, 12:09 PM   #16
alex.s
wat
 
alex.s's Avatar
 
Name: wat
Location: tustin/long beach
Join Date: Sep 2009

Motorcycle(s): wat

Posts: Too much.
Blog Entries: 5
MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14
Quote:
Originally Posted by akima View Post
slip the clutch on the way out of a corner?
if the carbs choke and the bike misses, if the clutch is slipping, it is a non-issue, whereas if it is fully engaged the rear tire slides and then catches hard. if the clutch is slipping and you slide the rear, when it grabs its less violent also. plus if you already are using the clutch, modulating the clutch in or out just a bit more becomes an option.
__________________________________________________
alex.s is offline   Reply With Quote


Old March 28th, 2015, 07:29 AM   #17
Motofool
Daily Ninjette rider
 
Motofool's Avatar
 
Name: Hernan
Location: Florida
Join Date: Mar 2011

Motorcycle(s): 2007 Ninja 250

Posts: A lot.
MOTY - 2016, MOTM - Dec '12, Jan '14, Jan '15, May '16
__________________________________________________
Motofool
.................................Never ride faster than your guardian angel can fly
"Mankind is composed of two sorts of men — those who love and create, and those who hate and destroy. Love is the bond between men, the way to teach and the center of the world." - José Martí
Motofool is offline   Reply With Quote


Old March 29th, 2015, 11:45 PM   #18
liberpolly
ninjette.org guru
 
Name: Poul
Location: Seattle
Join Date: Jan 2015

Motorcycle(s): 1999 Triumph Legend "Arwen", 2006 Ninja 650 "Matsuo Hotaru". 2010 Ninja 250 "Firefly" - sold.

Posts: 338
After accidentally bumping my foot on brake pedal on a road bump, I am not covering it anymore. There is no urgency in rear braking. I am covering my front brake lever, though.

What's the point of covering clutch lever on 4-stroke bikes?
__________________________________________________
Screw the inscrutable, eff the ineffable.
liberpolly is offline   Reply With Quote


Old March 30th, 2015, 04:40 AM   #19
lgk
ninjette.org certified postwhore
 
Name: Jason
Location: Norfolk, VA
Join Date: Dec 2011

Motorcycle(s): 2012 EX250, 2014 EX300

Posts: A lot.
imo covering the rear brake is based on the situation.
if the bump is deep enough for that to happen, you should swerve around it or stand on the pegs.
__________________________________________________
Ethioknight Memorial Fund- Sticker sale
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=111700
lgk is offline   Reply With Quote


Reply




Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Riding street after riding track Sirref Ninjettes At Speed 16 August 9th, 2014 07:05 PM
left hand controls 95 bike 05 controls mapolley07 1986 - 2007 Ninja 250R Tech Talk 12 December 22nd, 2011 10:05 AM
[hell for leather] - Riding sideways on an ice-covered roof Ninjette Newsbot Motorcycling News 0 February 22nd, 2010 03:10 PM
Has anyone used tearoffs for street riding? CRXTrek General Motorcycling Discussion 10 September 9th, 2009 06:35 AM
Street Riding Lessons CC Cowboy Riding Skills 7 August 7th, 2009 05:33 AM



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


Motorcycle Safety Foundation

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 03:25 AM.


Website uptime monitoring Host-tracker.com
Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Except where otherwise noted, all site contents are © Copyright 2022 ninjette.org, All rights reserved.