For the last few months in my spare time I have been cleaning up and putting together a beat up Suzuki SV650S along with odds and ends from my parts bin. I picked it up for $200 with a street-legal title, not running, and in some really sorry shape:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1070125.jpg

The bike had been spraypainted all over in different colors, nothing masked or disassembled and it was just a mess!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1070136.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1070158.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1070150.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1070151.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1070145.jpg

So there was lots of pressure-washing, scrubbing, paint-stripping, sandblasting, polishing and I managed to turn out a nice clean roller:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1070310.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1070382.jpg

So... rebuild the SV650 engine... or break the mold? Yep, you guessed it!

The frame was nice and narrow, so I tried to put a CR500 engine (2-stroke baby!) in it, and it fit in there nice and snug!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1070675.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1080835.jpg

I bought a tweaked CR500 frame for a couple bucks and hacked-off the engine cradle from the bottom. Its not aluminum of course, but steel is compatible with my welding equipment.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1090005.jpg

The engine was bolted to the cradle, and I set the bike plumb to earth and jacked the engine up into it. I also made sure the engine was straight, then began to cut out and weld together the fittings that allow me to bolt the cradle into the SV frame using the SV engine mounting hardware.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1090015.jpg

The end result in the rear (I neglected to take pics of the front, but the next time I take it apart I will take some more pics and post):

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1090043.jpg

Then the engine was bolted into place and I rolled it outside for some more pics:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1090065.jpg

The SV uses a 525 chain, the CR uses a 520. This was a problem as the rear sprocket on the SV won't mesh up with the CR chain. Both the 520 and 525 chains have the same length links, but the 520 is thinner. I grabbed my calipers and found the 520 is about 2mm thinner. So I grinded the SV sprocket's teeth down to spec. Tested with the CR chain, FITS PERFECTLY. I removed 4 links from the CR chain, and it fit onto the bike well.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1090087.jpg

So I was glad that all this worked out so well, but I knew the exhaust was going to be a b!tch. I got a cracked FMF Gnarly pipe for $30, cut it into sections and welded it back together to fit what is now the SVCR!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1080846.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1090100.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1090218.jpg

...and lastly this is a semi-completed SVCR500S which is where I am at now:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1090221.jpg

Some things left to be sorted out:

1. Extending the kickstarter shaft to allow the kicker clear the frame.
2. Electrics
3. Exhaust Silencer(s)
4. Cosmetics/paint/bodywork
5. Honzuki SVCR500S decals!

On the kickstarter shaft extension I am open for suggestions from anyone, it needs to be about 3in longer. I will construct a bushing to support the middle of it to stop the extra leverage from breaking the case.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1090251.jpg

For the electrics, I may just wire everything custom, I don't think I will be reusing the SV harness, there are many extra things on it that aren't useful anymore. I will need a good stator. I guess an E-Line or a Service Honda ingnition will provide all the power I need.... but NO BATTERY NEEDED = WEIGHT SAVINGS! :) YAY!

I think I am going to go with a pair of GP-style exhaust silencers from TZMike on a custom Y-pipe after the expansion chamber.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/872816107_1cc7a50383.jpg

the dual set up should end up looking similiar to this:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/rs50-21.jpg

As far as the bodywork, well, its going to be streetfighter for a while until I feel like spending the money to put new plastic on it.

Stay tuned! More to come!

What a great project!!! :happy80:

Holy crap... that's amazing!!! :rad:

Go, Duckie, GO!!!! :scooter:

I like it. You got some skills. :) Keep us up to date.

Hey Doc, where do you plan on putting the flux capacitor?

Wow... simply wow. Great work!

I'm sure it will be a wheelie monster once its running. What can a tuned CR500 pump out.. 85 - 90 hp?

Wow... simply wow. Great work!

I'm sure it will be a wheelie monster once its running. What can a tuned CR500 pump out.. 85 - 90 hp?

lol... nose bleeds, at least! :police1:

lol... nose bleeds, at least! :police1:

Only if you wind up on your ass with the front fender in your mouth!

Only if you wind up on your ass with the front fender in your mouth!

which is quite likely as I remember those 500 2 stroke singles are monsters. In a drag race, with street tires on a cr500, they raced a 500 street bike. The cr500 won every time by a huge margin... that motor's a beast! :eek:

which is quite likely as I remember those 500 2 stroke singles are monsters. In a drag race, with street tires on a cr500, they raced a 500 street bike. The cr500 won every time by a huge margin... that motor's a beast! :eek:

They will beat 600s and 750s too, I have seen an unmodified CR500 on street tires squash a 'busa and a ZX-12 also. My ZX-14 friend is already starting to sweat, lol. I told him there is no way I can get him over 80-100mph, but from stoplight to stoplight, you bet your ass!

All that sounds great and wonderful.... IF I CAN KEEP THE FRONT END DOWN!

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

A suggestion for the kick start. It looks like the part that actually bolts to the engine is steel right and can be removed from the kicker?

Bolt a short piece of flat steel from it that you can weld a 3" piece of round pipe. Then weld another flat piece onto end of that to remount the kicker. With the round pipe in there you can make a bracket that'll bolt to the frame somehow to support it while it's still able to rotate. You'll have to make it so that the pipe is inline with the shaft coming out of the engine.

Hopefully you get what I'm trying to say.

PS. cool project. How much have you spent so far?

A suggestion for the kick start. It looks like the part that actually bolts to the engine is steel right and can be removed from the kicker?

Bolt a short piece of flat steel from it that you can weld a 3" piece of round pipe. Then weld another flat piece onto end of that to remount the kicker. With the round pipe in there you can make a bracket that'll bolt to the frame somehow to support it while it's still able to rotate. You'll have to make it so that the pipe is inline with the shaft coming out of the engine.

Hopefully you get what I'm trying to say.

PS. cool project. How much have you spent so far?

Nah, I don't think I quite follow.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/108_6895.jpg

This is a kickstarter shaft removed from a CR500 engine. I just need the right side extended about 3" before the splines. I might be able to have a local machinist make a new longer one or extend my existing part.

I just really didn't want to tear the engine part just to install it, but I might have to anyways, the clutch is sticking a little, and that is all on that side of the engine.

OR, I think I might be able to get a second one and couple them together somehow.

Getting it extended is probably a better bet. Cutting those splines and gear teeth would not be fun.

Maybe you can cut it, have a coupler made to extend it that fits over both pieces and drill the pieces for roll pins and put it back together.

Getting it extended is probably a better bet. Cutting those splines and gear teeth would not be fun.

Maybe you can cut it, have a coupler made to extend it that fits over both pieces and drill the pieces for roll pins and put it back together.

Yep, starting to lean that way. I will take the engine apart maybe this weekend and remove the shaft.

Getting it extended is probably a better bet. Cutting those splines and gear teeth would not be fun.

Maybe you can cut it, have a coupler made to extend it that fits over both pieces and drill the pieces for roll pins and put it back together.

That seems like a great idea as long as the the sections that fit over the original shaft are not too wide, where they might rub on any openings the shaft goes through or neighboring parts.

That seems like a great idea as long as the the sections that fit over the original shaft are not too wide, where they might rub on any openings the shaft goes through or neighboring parts.

A good machinist wouldn't let that happen :)

Amazing!
Thanks for posting this, you're my hero. =P

Motorcycle engine swaps have always fascinated me.
Some day I'll be looking into what I could do with my ZZR-250.
So it's good to see other peoples work to inspire me. :D

How hard would you say it was to get the engine mounted in the SV frame?
Really wish I knew how to weld... would save me so much $$$

Thanks, everyone, for the compliments!

Amazing!
Thanks for posting this, you're my hero. =P

Motorcycle engine swaps have always fascinated me.
Some day I'll be looking into what I could do with my ZZR-250.
So it's good to see other peoples work to inspire me. :D

How hard would you say it was to get the engine mounted in the SV frame?
Really wish I knew how to weld... would save me so much $$$

It wasn't really that hard at all because I cheated by using the lower portion of a CR500 frame as the engine cradle! :thumbup: All I had to do then was weld mounting points onto it to the factory bolt locations on the SV frame. With all the measuring, cutting, and welding I actually had that together in a few hours.

The exhaust on the other hand was a project that took a week. There was lots of cutting,and grinding, and trying different things until I got it the way it would fit.

Pretty cool man!

Chambers are really sensitive, I wonder how the pipe is gonna work out.

Chambers are really sensitive, I wonder how the pipe is gonna work out. exactly what I was thinking. expansion chamber design is critical to power output on a 2 stroke.

Pretty cool man!

Chambers are really sensitive, I wonder how the pipe is gonna work out.

exactly what I was thinking. expansion chamber design is critical to power output on a 2 stroke.

The pipe is the same length and diameter as before, the expansion chambers are sensitive to diameter and length.

As with any exhausts, the less turns the better, and turns in the SAME DIRECTION are better than flip-flopping. This pipe is also straighter than before, and most of the turns are in the same direction, so the theory is, it should perform better than the original design.

I guess we'll see! Either way, I have a pipe that fits this bike... for $30!

Hope so! Think its the back pressure wave, to close the exhaust port that matters most :)

Maybe you need to borrow this old book! :thumbup:

Side note: Tony Smith Racing out in El Cajon California, made me some hand made chambers for my RD430 < Wholly crap what a diff! :thumbup: Of course he did the IT175 pistons & fixing of port timing to make them work at first.

Today I worked out a few of the little niggles I ran into since I mounted the motor. If the chain came a little loose, it would tap on the engine cradle so I cut a notch in it as you can see in the lower left below the sprocket for further clearance.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1090316.jpg

I then reinforced the cradle mounting points as I wanted to previously, its VERY strong now, and actually helps add back to the rigidity of the frame. Triangles are much stronger than straight brackets. I will further make braces to bolt to the unused bolt locations on the frame to make everything nice and tight and try to keep the frame rigid since the SV engine was an integral part of this machine's structure and its gone now! ;D I also capped off a few of the cuts from when I separated the cradle from the rest of the CR500 frame.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1090299.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1090300.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1090298.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1090280.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1090284.jpg

With the engine out of the cradle were out I took a few more pics:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1090288.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1090292.jpg

The engine resting in the cradle:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1090313.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1090301.jpg

I haven't put the chain back on yet, but I am sure it should clear the cradle properly without tapping on it. If not, I will cut it some more. If so, I will cap it off, too!

Everything is great so far though, here we are tonight:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1090317.jpg

...and FREE bar ends off a ZX-14!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1090315.jpg

Quickie update:

The chain doesn't clear the engine cradle to my liking, it will take more grinding tomorrow and then I will weld it all up!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1090324.jpg

Do you plan on doing anything with the color of the engine cradle? Or do you know yet if you'll be putting the plastics back on?

I was wondering where you were. :)

Been a busy beaver... er, Ducky, eh? Looking good... can't wait to see the completed project! Step by step, inch by inch... :thumbup:

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Do you plan on doing anything with the color of the engine cradle? Or do you know yet if you'll be putting the plastics back on?

Nope, I am going to leave the cradle ugly red and let the bare metal rust out so it destroys all of my hard work! :eek:

The plastics I have are ruined, I haven't decided what I want to do with all that just yet.

I was wondering where you were. :)

Been a busy beaver... er, Ducky, eh? Looking good... can't wait to see the completed project! Step by step, inch by inch... :thumbup:

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Not so much, really, I haven't touched this bike in a week until earlier today.

This is the last chance that I will have any time to work on this sucker until after the New Year. So here we go!

I further cut into the cradle to make clearance for the chain as I needed in Update #3 above, then welded a custom cap onto the end.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1090327.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1090328.jpg

Once I got that working I tested it for fitment (no pic) and the contour of the new chain notch assumes the same contour of the lower frame beneath the swingarm.

I then wirewheeled all the crap off of it, degreased it and scratched it up and prepped it for paint. Painted, still needs one more coat, but looks good!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1090329.jpg

What kind of welder are you using? There's a lot of spatter.

What kind of welder are you using? There's a lot of spatter.

Its a cheap MIG gasless flux, a lot of the spatter you see is the flux itself. Plus I haven't welded in a while and lost the feel. My welds are good and strong, but I slip up and make mistakes when I try to go as fast as I used to, hehe.

I chipped most of the spatter off and cleaned the rest off with the grinder before painting.

Its a cheap MIG gasless flux, a lot of the spatter you see is the flux itself. Plus I haven't welded in a while and lost the feel. My welds are good and strong, but I slip up and make mistakes when I try to go as fast as I used to, hehe.

I chipped most of the spatter off and cleaned the rest off with the grinder before painting.

You can get anti-spatter spray and spray the parts you aren't directly welding. It work really well. Most spatter doesn't stick, and the stuff that does comes off with a wire brush.

I have a Lincon Mig 150 gas welder. But when I first bought it, (used) it came with flux-core wire and it looked the same when I welded. It didn't take me long to get the gas, and what a difference it makes. Super clean and a lot better consistency.

You can get anti-spatter spray

I never even knew about that! I will have to check that out!

My welder doesn't convert to gas unfortunately, but its what I have and its paid for! :)

Thanks for the suggestions! Shame I don't have much left to weld now, haha.

It's looking good. :)

After a bit of a holiday break, I went and got a few more coats of paint on the engine cradle, let it dry a few days then mounted it and snapped a few more pics.

It feels good to get rid of that awful red and at least have something semi-presentable now!

You can see the chain-clearancing notch I cut out and welded up.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1090435.jpg

Here it is close-up.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1090428.jpg

And finally, a wide-angle shot.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1090425.jpg

That's awesome. ^_^

Any idea what the wet weight/ horespower/ torque will be afterwords?

Happy New Year, Ducky!

:)

That's awesome. ^_^

Any idea what the wet weight/ horespower/ torque will be afterwords?


Dry should be about 280-300lbs. Even with the engine in it I can lift it completely off the ground by just grabbing onto the frame!

So add 30lbs or so for juices.

About 60-70hp well-tuned.

I dunno the TQ figures, I'll have to research!

Wow.

That's a loss of 77-107 lbs. How? All in the engine/starter/battery? o.o

Every update to this thread makes me smile, Ducky. Can't wait until it's up and running!

Wow.

That's a loss of 77-107 lbs. How? All in the engine/starter/battery? o.o


The Suzuki SV engine (the lump without accessories) weighs more than 120lbs. The starter was seperate from the engine when I weighed it, but I can't imagine that being more than about 1lb.

The Honda CR500 engine comes in around 55lbs.

So yeah, that alone right there was the majority of weight savings!

I also ditched the battery, as the CR500 engine is kickstart. It won't be useful to me.

The SV had 2 carbs and 2 coils, the CR as 1 of each.

The SV airbox and filter are junked too, instead replaced with a smaller lighter pod filter on the CR's carb.

The SV exhaust had a lot of plumbing under the bike that could be eiliminated, too. The expansion chamber I am using now is kinda bulky, but feels to weigh a little less.


A few other smaller things to consider:

No SV computers and extra wiring is needed, I also cut parts out of the tail/subframe that were uncessary for my build. I may just junk the factory harness entirely, this includes the heavy regulator. The CR electric kits have regulators built into them.

All paint/powdercoating stripped off the frame and wheels.

I am using a 520 chain instead of the 525.

I eliminated a few pounds of extra mounting bolts for the SV engine that I can't use.

I think I am going to eliminate the rear seat and put a 1 piece custom racing tail on it. I kinda like streamlined bodywork, and that will clean up the back and get rid of a lot of the extra passenger seat crap in the factory tail.

The upper fairing stay is ugly, overengineered, and HEAVY, that goes bye bye too! I will make something MUCH lighter to take its place.

I may use the SV thermostat for cooling, or if I wanna be lighter I will eliminate that completely, too!

I will get some pics of me picking the bike up for you if I can position the camera right or if I can get one of the neighbors (or stray women that come around) to snap a decent shot.

That's awesome!

What's the maitenence like on a CR500 motor? How long between top end / bottom end rebuilds? I hear you need to be more careful about warmup and it has a funky powerband, that true?

Awesome. Engine swap sounds like a perfect next project for me. ^_^ You're inspirational!

Very Cool project Dude!...Can't wait to see a video of her running!:thumbup:

That's awesome!

What's the maitenence like on a CR500 motor? How long between top end / bottom end rebuilds? I hear you need to be more careful about warmup and it has a funky powerband, that true?

Awesome. Engine swap sounds like a perfect next project for me. ^_^ You're inspirational!


Well, I know of some people that have had their CR500s for 10+ years ride them nearly every weekend and never rebuilt a top end. So I guess this all depends on your maintenance and how badly you rag on the thing. Top ends can be rebuilt in 2 hours or less and even if you replace the piston it can be done for $100 to $200 (depends on where you shop and forged vs cast pistons)

As far as mileage, I dunno, depends on how you gear it and how hard you ride it, what kind of oil you use, etc etc etc. We'll see!

Warmup on these bikes isnt so bad, they warm up real quick, in fact they tend to run a little hot anyways.

The powerband is extremely PEAKY. You will suddenly SPIKE in HP at VERY LOW RPMs. If you're not careful you end up sitting on your ass with a front fender in your mouth! All because you turned 1/4 throttle, lol.

That's awesome. Talk about peaky! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/burned-drz/CR500HPRPM.jpg

Aluminum frame, 17" wheels, 70hp, yet about the same weight as my bike. o.o I'm so jealous.

Nice work Duck, I see you have put many hours of work into this! It was a really good read.

Please do keep us posted and with pics, also feel free to include some pictures of these stray women modeling with the bike :D :p

That's awesome. Talk about peaky!

Aluminum frame, 17" wheels, 70hp, yet about the same weight as my bike. o.o I'm so jealous.

Yeah, now compare that to a factory SV power curve, lol.

Some people wanted to see a good comparison between SV650 and CR500 power curves. I overlapped 2 plain vanilla dyno charts of each here:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/CR500vsSV650DYNO.png

Thank you sir, that's pretty nifty. :)

Mind if I ask how you chose this particular engine?

Mind if I ask how you chose this particular engine?
...it chose him! :pound:

I'd be willing to believe that if it was a hemi he got for only a few hundred dollars with historical significance. :)

Nicely played though. o.o

...it chose him! :pound:

In soviet Russia, engine chooses you!

Thank you sir, that's pretty nifty. :)

Mind if I ask how you chose this particular engine?

Well, I wanted 2-stroke street bike for the last 15 years, so this HAD to be a 2-stroke. I would be riding an NSR, an RGV, RG or an Aprilia RS250 but they are just too damn expensive or hard to find! One day I may still get one or SEVERAL of the above, we'll see!

I started to look at dirt bike engines. I wanted something with parts readily available, something with a record of being reliable, and something BIG AND POWERFUL with a history of hurting people. :D

So the CR500 was a natural choice. :thumbup:

I've also noticed that people are putting CR500 engines into all sorts of things. Karts, AF CR250 chassis, ATCs ATV, you name it. But no street bikes! Then one day while I was doing some research I came across someone else with the same idea, he was putting one into a korean United Motors bike. He did have lots of problems, but he was doing silly things like drilling carb parts to *fix* things. Bad news.

I also looked at KX500 engines, but they seemed a little more complex with the exhaust power valves, and there aren't as many of those around and are much more expensive to rebuild.

2-stroke single-cylinder engines are narrow, so I needed to find a narrow sports bike chassis. I4 bike frames are WAAAAAAAAY too big! But the CHEAP V-twin SV with a blown engine was the perfect choice! They've been around 10 years, has a long list of aftermarket support, its lightweight aluminum and is a rather all-round popular bike that is easy to upgrade.

But I have a big box of all sorts of parts, master cylinders, grips, wires, chains, shocks, swingarms, brake/clutch levers and cables etc etc. I haven't had to buy hardly anything yet because I've been diving into my own parts bins and making things work!

Put the engine up on the bench today to remove the kickstarter shaft for lengthening by my local friendly machine shop!

First I drained the oil. I should have done this while the engine was still mounted it would have been MUCH easier! I just kinda forgot. :( The oil was very sticky and yucky. This bike hadn't been run in a long time, thats a fact!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1090463.jpg

I had problems with the clutch dragging, so while I was in there I checked it all out. The sticky oil was gumming up the discs and plates. Even without the pressure plate and springs installed the clutch STILL dragged every bit as badly as with. I examined and cleaned each disc and plate and reassembled. The clutch looks good with very mininmal wear. The bolts and such don't even have any evidence that they ever had a tool put on them. I was told this engine hadn't run in years, has very low hours, and was never opened up... Now I believe it!


Clutch bastket:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1090464.jpg

Clutch plates/discs:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1090465.jpg

And lasty I removed the kickstarter shaft, cleaned it up so I can put it in my pocket to take to the machine shop on the way to work on Monday.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1090466.jpg

Skeeter watched:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/ducks/p1090450.jpg

Now all you need to do is supercharge that badboy.

great project! :)

a 500cc 2-stroke with kick-start, isnt that a little dangerous? Must be easy to break a leg :P

Now all you need to do is supercharge that badboy.

Its already supercharged! :)

Thats what the expansion chamber is for. :D

Conventional super(or turbo)chargers don't work well on a 2-stroke as they just blow the excess pressure out of the exhaust port.

great project! :)

a 500cc 2-stroke with kick-start, isnt that a little dangerous? Must be easy to break a leg :P

This engine HAS been known to break peoples' legs! :thumbup: I know my little 4-stroke XR200 chinese clone that I had was a bitch to kickstart at times. I twisted my ankle slipping off the kicker once, ouch!

This thing is gonna be funnnnnnnnnnnnn hurtin' myself on! :)

I'd rather kick start a 2 stroke than a 4 stroke any day, though I have heard those 500cc two strokes can be tricky to start.

thought so. :) Iv'e heard about people hurting themselves on rs250's so if you slip on that 500cc kick, mmmm...! :eek: but its sure worth it, when you think of the power and weight saving! :D

thought so. :) Iv'e heard about people hurting themselves on rs250's so if you slip on that 500cc kick, mmmm...! :eek: but its sure worth it, when you think of the power and weight saving! :D

I've heard of CR500s firing halfway through the kick stroke while a little skinny sh!t had all of their weight on the kicker and got launched into the air over the bike, lol.

I've heard of CR500s firing halfway through the kick stroke while a little skinny sh!t had all of their weight on the kicker and got launched into the air over the bike, lol.

lol :thumbup: take no chances, go for a rolling/running-start as often as you can :p

I've heard of CR500s firing halfway through the kick stroke while a little skinny sh!t had all of their weight on the kicker and got launched into the air over the bike, lol.

Oh wow.

Now I know never to get anything with a kick start... o.o That's frightening.

Oh wow.

Now I know never to get anything with a kick start... o.o That's frightening.

Haha! Even worse trying to kick over an older Harley. I've heard many sad stories there, too.

It`s all technique. My 08 Ninja is the first bike ever for me with electric start. Been riding since 1958.

It`s all technique. My 08 Ninja is the first bike ever for me with electric start. Been riding since 1958.

Not nearly as many riding years here, but the Ninjette is also my first bike without a kicker. took a while getting used to. Also the bike I learned to roll-start, because of the 'missing' part... :rolleyes:

It`s all technique. My 08 Ninja is the first bike ever for me with electric start. Been riding since 1958.

Well I'll be doggy dicked, I never thought you to be that matured. I figured myself to be one of the older guys on here, and I only started riding in the very early 80s, lol.

Well I'll be doggy dicked

What the hell?

And I thought I had heard everything when it came to strange expressions, lmao.

What the hell?

And I thought I had heard everything when it came to strange expressions, lmao.

http://fatherbadtouch.com/images/dog-hump-face.gif

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You haven't heard much until you spend a little time with me, haha. After that, you have heard it all. :thumbup:

Oh Good Lord, I am left speechless.. :eek:

Ahahhaahaha, awesome.

Ahhhhhhhhhhh hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm in tears here!!!!!

Its light!

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Sweet doggy-doing-a-duck that's light. Or you now have a hernia :eek:. You're ginna have to weigh in after you get the motor re-installed.

You're ginna have to weigh in after you get the motor re-installed.

Yep! This thing is gonna be lots of fun! Super light, yay!

Man thats going to be some fun! At least if you get tierd of kicking you can push start it. I have 3 87 quadzilla 500's (little disapointed you didnt go with a suz 500 but understand a deal on something is a deal) When we go riding with my quads like with my wife and others that can't kick over a 500 I have to kick all 3 and let me tell you 1 is stock and the other 2 have high comp pistons and by the time I'm done starting 3 cold 500's ....I'm to dam tierd to ride! LOL

Cant wait to see this thing running!

Man thats going to be some fun! At least if you get tierd of kicking you can push start it. I have 3 87 quadzilla 500's (little disapointed you didnt go with a suz 500 but understand a deal on something is a deal) When we go riding with my quads like with my wife and others that can't kick over a 500 I have to kick all 3 and let me tell you 1 is stock and the other 2 have high comp pistons and by the time I'm done starting 3 cold 500's ....I'm to dam tierd to ride! LOL

Cant wait to see this thing running!

Haha, I guess I could understand all that.

I did consider finding a quadzilla engine, but there seems to be less aftermarket and OEM parts support. I also couldn't find one for the life of me! They stopped making those things almost 20 years ago! A more recent CR500 engine with much more information on the internet about it and parts availability made a better choice.

Besides, now I can call it a Honzuki and have people's heads turn. :D

that is true.

Before:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1090466.jpg

After:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1000026.jpg

And then I installed it, it fits perfectly!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1000038.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1000033.jpg

Nice work there. So.....how fast does it go, have you dragged knee on it yet, stand up wheelies?

LOL How long till you get it in and started?

Nice work there. So.....how fast does it go, have you dragged knee on it yet, stand up wheelies?

LOL How long till you get it in and started?

Maybe this weekend, I will keep everyone posted!

Forget everyone else! Just worry about keeping me posted!

LOL j/k

They did a good job on that starter shaft. It looks factory. Have you fabricated a supported for it yet?

They did a good job on that starter shaft. It looks factory. Have you fabricated a supported for it yet?

Nope, thats next! :thumbup:

I got the motor mounted tonight, my kicker measurements worked out well and the machinist made it a 1/4" longer than I wanted, but its OK, it all fits well! It probably even fits better that way.

Here is a view of it folded up:

Side:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1000047.jpg

Top:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1000053.jpg

And a view of it folded out:

Side:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1000054.jpg

Top:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1000055.jpg


And here is a little clearance issue that I knew I was going to run into. Its no big deal, I might be able to bend the kicker a little bit or rig the footpeg to lock in an upward position:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1000056.jpg


Well thats it for tonight, I'm going out to chase some tail!

I found a bushing today that fits the shaft, it was a little tight so I polished the inside with some emory and now it slides on like butter drippin' off a hot biscuit.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1000070.jpg

I began to make a template for the kickstarter shaft support. Tomorrow I will cut some metal and weld it up and hang it.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1000116.jpg

I pulled the spark plug out today, and gently worked the kickstarter and got a spark. I think this machine should fire up once the little bit of light oil that was protecting the internals in the cylinder and crankcase blows out. Its gonna be smokey! I might even foul a plug in the process, yay!

Rolled outside for more pics:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1000093.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/p1000108.jpg

lookin' good!!! :thumbup:

http://www.geocities.com/chicoandthemanfreddieprinze/yougotitchicopic.jpg

Looks great! Any plans yet for a headlight?

lookin' good!!! :thumbup:

http://www.geocities.com/chicoandthemanfreddieprinze/yougotitchicopic.jpg

Is that you about 25 years ago? :D

Looks great! Any plans yet for a headlight?

I dunno what I want to do for lighting yet. I need to whip up a power source first, too. The aftermarket stators for powering lights are TOO EXPENSIVE!!!!!

I've looked into stators that can power lights but I'm not impressed with the cost of some of the aftermarket units with the wattage compared to price. I think I'm going to whip up my own setup using some off-the-shelf parts.

I need an OEM stator coil pack from another bike that fits OUTSIDE of the flywheel...

Suggestions?

...as I want to try and leave the CR500 stator and ignition system alone (which I might swap for CR250 parts.) So I don't want to have to buy another lighting stator just because I changed my ignition stator and flywheel.

I will make brackets, mounts, covers, etc. Anything can be made to fit, this project is a fine example, lol.

Anyways, I think I want to go with a part of little projector lights. Not sure, we'll see.

Is lighting mandatory for getting it registered?

Is lighting mandatory for getting it registered?

Not in Florida, lol. No inspection!

In fact I had it titled AND REGISTERED while the thing was completely apart in boxes in the garage and the frame was on the side of my house getting stripped!

But yes, if you operate it on the street, it must have a headlight on at all times. Tailight and turn signals though, as far as I know, there is no law here in FL.

I guess I could duct tape a flashlight to the handlebars :D

Damn it's coming along niiiiice! Very soon now that terror is going to be on the road. It'll be a mean sleeper :)

Damn it's coming along niiiiice! Very soon now that terror is going to be on the road. It'll be a mean sleeper :)

Its gonna be LOUD, lol. Won't be much SLEEP anywhere. :D

Touche :p I'm mainly pointing out that a majority of SS riders won't give you a second look, but when you get on it and have that meaannnnn 2-stroke acceleration off the line?

Priceless :)

wow duckman! i just enlightened myself to your project reading the entire thread and....damm!

i'd give anything to see the look on their faces when you go zipp'in through!

:confused30:

party on!

:happy110:

What's the latest and greatest on the project?

What's the latest and greatest on the project?

Nothing at this time, preparing to leave for Daytona, unfortunately NOT with this bike! :(

Otherwise, my kicker shaft is with my machinist who is trying to further improve upon its strength and durability, in the back of my mind I am coming up with a custom compression release to try and relieve some stress on the shaft.

Alright Duckster, how's this thing coming along? :thumbup:

Alright Duckster, how's this thing coming along? :thumbup:

I haven't really touched it much. I kinda got focused on another project that I started to build with more parts bin stuff, another CR500 engine and other items that were going to end up on the SV. My mind wanders and comes up with too many ideas faster than I can build!

Its nice having a garage full of bike junk!

So anyways, here is a teaser:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/cr500/30-04-09_1252.jpg

Enjoy!

Another teaser:

Front brakes works!

2007 GSXR600 front end
1996 CBR600F3 front wheel
2000 CBR1100xx front discs
1" Galvanized pipe
4x 6905-2RS bearings (25x42x9mm)

Researched the sizes of these parts enough to have ALMOST ended up with a direct bolt-on configuration.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/cr500/30-04-09_1938.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/cr500/30-04-09_1939.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/cr500/30-04-09_1955.jpg

The rear wheel and sprocket carrier/cushdrive won't be so easy.

Daaaaang! This project keeps getting better and better :D I's liken it!

Daaaaang! This project keeps getting better and better :D I's liken it!

Welllll actually that is a different project you're looking at there, lol.

As is this one:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/magnumii/05-05-09_0103.jpg

Ah I see that now... Did you re-use the Honda engine? They look very similar!

Edit: Oh duh; I didn't notice this: "another CR500 engine and other items that were going to end up on the SV"

Ah I see that now... Did you re-use the Honda engine? They look very similar!

Edit: Oh duh; I didn't notice this: "another CR500 engine and other items that were going to end up on the SV"

Lol yep, haha.

interesting projects.

hm, I wonder if I could do a 200cc~300cc dirt bike engine swap for my 06 ninja...

interesting projects.

Hm, i wonder if i could do a 200cc~300cc dirt bike engine swap for my 06 ninja...

doooooooo itttttttttt! :D

Kick start clearance is easy... Make the right peg fold back and stay for when you are starting the engine. The YSR50 had that feature to keep you from killing yourself when starting.

Kick start clearance is easy... Make the right peg fold back and stay for when you are starting the engine. The YSR50 had that feature to keep you from killing yourself when starting.

Its not THAT easy! The frame is in the way! The shaft needs more length, and as a result needs more support to save it from gouging itself out of the engine case.

I was just referring to the foot peg clearance issue.

How's the Honzuki coming along. Its a very interesting project, especially since you can't buy any 2 stroke street bikes anymore.:)

How's the Honzuki coming along. Its a very interesting project, especially since you can't buy any 2 stroke street bikes anymore.:)

Its been buried for a while, bad economy and no time. I just dug it out recently, and I have a CBR00F2 rear wheel and sprocket carriers being machined to fit with new spacers, etc. It might be a little while before I see them back. My machinist even had to take a part-time job at one of his competitors' shops to keep his own head above water. Things are really bad out there!

Because its been taking so long I'm having a little change of heart about it all too, not sure what I want to do yet. A lot of new ideas and suggestions from others (far too many) have popped up along the way. I've got nearly all the parts to make everything happen, IT SHALL BE BUILT... but it may realise a different life when its done.

Otherwise no new updates yet, I will naturally keep everyone posted.

And don't take anything I said out of context! This project is NOT DEAD! :D


OH, it has also picked up some Yamaha and Kawasaki parts along the way, too.

Its a Yamahonkawizuki!

Killer project. Ill be watching closely.:thumbup:

I would like to try the same kind of swap on my lil 2008 250 Ninja. I am currently looking for a 2 stoke YZ 400 motor just to have laying around when I toast the 250 twin.
Ill keep mine a track bike so no need for those pesky lights or a battery.
Imagine a 400cc 2 stroke 2008 ninja trackbike. :eek: It would be a blast if i can strengthen the frame enough to handle the extra HP.:D

Your goin to have some fun with that when u get into the powerband. Except for the fact that gas milage is going to be completely horrible I love it though

This is a really awesome looking project! Make sure to keep us posted, I want to hear what that beast sounds like once she is running.

Your goin to have some fun with that when u get into the powerband. Except for the fact that gas milage is going to be completely horrible I love it though

Yeah gas mileaage is gonna suck, but I'll have it geared up for highway. What I've ready it should make for 35mpg.

This is a really awesome looking project! Make sure to keep us posted, I want to hear what that beast sounds like once she is running.

It'll sound like this.... brrrrrrrrrring-ba-ding-ding-braaaaaaaaaaaaahp!

I didn't know there were still people who knew how to do stuff like that.
Welders....an amazing breed of humanity.
Jesse James, OCC's paul Sr.....

I didn't know there were still people who knew how to do stuff like that.
Welders....an amazing breed of humanity.
Jesse James, OCC's paul Sr.....

Well... Jesse is more of an artist, the Teutels aren't quite o the same caliber, though the do build some primo stuff.

Me, I'm just a hack, a good one, but still a hack, lol! :)

Killer project. Ill be watching closely.:thumbup:

I would like to try the same kind of swap on my lil 2008 250 Ninja. I am currently looking for a 2 stoke YZ 400 motor just to have laying around when I toast the 250 twin.
Ill keep mine a track bike so no need for those pesky lights or a battery.
Imagine a 400cc 2 stroke 2008 ninja trackbike. :eek: It would be a blast if i can strengthen the frame enough to handle the extra HP.:D

I think if I was going to do the same to my Ninja, it'd get a RZ350/Banshee engine. You can easily build those up to 500cc and make like 112HP. Plus parts a very widely available because the engine was built relatively the same for so many years.

A bit of a long-winded story, but I felt like sharing it all:

Well I had a day off today for Presidents' Day, and couldn't stand to look at the new SV650 engine that I got real cheap last week (a deal I couldn't pass up on) sitting beside the Honzuki. I figured it would be a good backup plan if the Honda engine didn't work out, but I knew that would really happen!

Sometime before lunch time I knew what I wanted to do, and skipped eating.

So I went and got my helpers and put them to work.... or I thought I did... busted!

Caught napping on the job!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/ducks/2010-02-12_12-10-30.jpg

I put the bike up on some stands and pulled the CR500 engine and cradle out, put it aside... stared at the bike and sighed a once... and sucked it up.

Then lifted the new SV650 engine onto a floorjack, lifted it into place and pushed through the primary 3 mounting bolts, and plugged up the wiring.

I very quickly cleaned out the carbs and airbox and dropped them into place, connected the throttle cables.... connected the fuel lines and rested the tank in place.

I sighed one more time while turning the key, flipping the run switch on, checking the oil level, and pressing the start button. I just a few seconds the SV engine sputtered momentarily then rumbled into new life.

:: Plook! Plook! Plook! :: (thats what it sounds like when it idles with no exhaust on it)

Its a little disappointing to not see the CR500 engine in there, but its nice to see that this bike is going to have some usefulness sometime soon.

BUT!!!!! Nobody wants to hear my whining:

I sucked it up and inserted and tightened the remaining mounting bolts to spec, attached and filled the radiator, connected the exhaust pipes, and hung the chain. I tightened up the rear wheel, checked tire pressures, and started it up again and took it for a ride down the street.

First impressions.

I have never ridden an SV before (with an SV engine) and I kind of like the way it feels, that low end grunt, the rumble of the V2 instead of the whining of an I4... It was a little choppy on the low end though, I think letting it warm up longer, and syncing the carbs would aleviate most of the problem.

The tires were hard as rocks and shiny from being so cold outside and having sat so long and having been wheeled through all sorts of garage spills over the years (probably about 3 years) so they were dangerously slippery! The rear wheel spun VERY easily when I romped the throttle! I buffed the front tire with some sandpaper and did a small burnout on the rear leaning it from side to side. All was good!

At this time I also ran some degreaser all over the bottom of the engine (I accidentally ran it previously without the PAIR holes plugged, oil was all over that motor.) :rolleyes:

Its a good-looking bike, all the aluminum is polished to a very light-grained satin finish. (Looks nice, and MUCH easier to maintain!) The exhaust looks like hell, and will be replaced this week with something else, dunno what yet, I'll dig in my buddy's salvage yard.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/2010-02-14_17-59-57.jpg

I took it for a ride down the street again, I notice the gauges and everything were working correctly, all idiot lights worked as they were supposed to. The guy I bought it from told me that some of the wiring and speedo sensor were new, I didn't believe him, because I paid $200 for all this, I didn't care... but he had indeed told me the truth, everything works!

Then suddenly :: POP! CRACK! :: WTF!??! The engine stalled and the clutch lever got all loose feeling. I looked down to my left and saw oil all over everything, my shoe, the shifter, that side of the engine.... then I realised the chain was dangling and dragging! I coasted into my driveway and found the chain not only derailed itself, but when it came off it busted off the clutch pushrod (its a really stupid place to be.) I'll be investing in a case-saver if one exists for the SV and protects that rod!

The case of the engine was behind the stator cover was gouged only a little bit (I can't even photograph it) where the chain had slapped around, but the cases weren't cracked or otherwise freakishly damaged.

I pulled out my old SV engine from the back corner of my garage that came with this bike and removed the clutch pushrod from it. I went to install it into the new motor, and found that a small piece of the old pushrod was still in the motor. It was tweaked so a magnet wouldn't pull it out, I was gonna have to take the clutch apart and tap it though from the other side.

I drained the water, drained the oil and used some more foul language as another $20 in oil that was hardly used was wasted. Blah... and pulled the clutch cover off, and disassembled the clutch. I tapped the broken shaft through, and as it came out it tore a chunk out of the seal. F%$K!!!!!!!

Now I had to go to the other side, and remove the pushrod seal and replace it, too. To anyone that knows, this requires the wire and seal retaining clip to be removed. Its 3 bolts, 2 are easy to get to, and one is just awkward enough that you can't get a tool onto it without removing the stator cover. F%$K!!!!!!! F%$K!!!!!!! F%$K!!!!!!! Stator cover had to come off.

I could easily get to that bolt on the old engine with a box end wrench because it wasn't mounted, but could barely do an 1/8th of a turn on it.

Anyways, I pulled the seal and the pushrod from the old motor and reassembled everything to spec.

3 minutes of fun on the road translated to 3 hours of cursing and swearing.

So since the oil was drained again, I replaced the filter the engine came with, refilled oil and started it back up on a dry spot in the garage to check for leaks. It ran for 30 minutes without leaks or problems, even the radiator fan kicked in like it was supposed to. ;D

So on closer inspection, the reason why the chain came off is because it flexes A LOT from side-to-side, its severely worn. I can't believe I didn't notice that before I put it on. It will not be going back on the bike! Instead I will melt it with my torch. :angry5:

I found the ugly exhaust can is literally just slipped onto the collector. It took a little effort but it pulled right off, no clamps, no screws! That thing could have come shooting off and smashed the windshield of some soccer mom riding my @ss someday.... not that it would be such a bad thing, lol. :nana:

So before I went to work on the other, OTHER frankenbike, I took another pic with the exhaust can off:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/2010-02-15_17-38-45.jpg

This bike will continue to be built here in this thread, as I progress with it.

Afterthoughts:

I'm a little frustrated that this thing has been sitting mostly idle for 2 years, somewhat because Pensacola doesn't have the appropriate resources to turn out a working kickstarter shaft (believe me, I've done the research, nobody has the appropriate tooling, or is confident enough, and even money... when I had money.... won't do the talking) and partially because I'm tired of tripping over loose parts.

Secondly, I have another clear-title SV650 frame available to me. If I can find someone that I can afford to outsource the CR500 kicker shaft redesign to, this project still may make a comeback.

Now before anyone else says it.... some of you may be disappointed that my SV has an SV engine, I mean c'mon, WTF kind of engine is it supposed to have? LOL! So at least now I feel it will be eligible for SV of the Month on svrider.com. We'll see what I turn it into, here's hoping. ;D

But the Honzuki will live on.... its spirit (and componentry) will be reincarnated into a new body...

Honzuki 2.0?

Kawazuki?

Yamahonzuki?

Stay tuned.....

Well, looks like i ended up the winner, in the way i didn't want to. :/

Good luck with your next project!

Hoyasuka

Tonight it got a headlight/fairing, it needs some paint to match, but I like it.

Light on:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/DSCN0554.jpg

Light off:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/DSCN0560.jpg

Side:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/DSCN0558.jpg

It has blue eyes like me:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/DSCN0573.jpg

and a close-up:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/sv650/DSCN0571.jpg

Awesome bike! I would buy one, but my dealer is always out of those.

Awesome bike! I would buy one, but my dealer is always out of those.

Same over here, but there are so many around for sale pretty cheap, used. :)

Great project bike buddy. I would love to be able to do the same, though I'm way too responsible with my money and it suck ass. ahhah

Great project bike buddy. I would love to be able to do the same, though I'm way too responsible with my money and it suck ass. ahhah

Well this project (because its a real SV again) actually turned out to be cheap as hell!

Awesome bike! I would buy one, but my dealer is always out of those.

I don't even think my local dealer ever sold any SVs even though they sale other Suzuki models. I have never seen them on the floor. I guess they don't think people would buy them. I think I might get one as my next bike, id have to ride one first though.

This project with the CR500 got canned, and many of the parts I was going to use on the SV650 made there way onto this new CR500 project instead.

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?p=170632#post170632

See link above for its own thread. this thread needs to be closed/locked.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/wtfduck/photos/motorcycle/cr500/DSCN0947.jpg

/closed by OP's request