http://www.ninjette.org/forums/blog.php?b=1099

Saw that in the 2008+ section and was thinking if it would be possible for our bike or if there was a similar OEM hugger we could use. I don't know what the differences are between the two generations of bikes so I don't want to make the jump just yet.

If it is only 12bucks I may buy one and try to figure it out

If it is only 12bucks I may buy one and try to figure it out


Yeah, I wouldn't mind playing around with one as long as I knew that the thing was at least as wide as our ninja's swingarms.


Edit: http://www.powersportsplus.com/parts/detail/honda/HP-40510-KYJ-900.html about 9 or 10 dollars shipped from this site.

I really hope this does fit, cheaper then buying an OEM ninja 250 mud guard haha.

Yeah its a pita. The hard part is getting the hugger to clear the exhaust can(s)

Getting the hugger to fit the swingarm is easy. Just trim the bottom of the undertail and trim the hugger in a few places, then you can get creative attaching it on the right side. I couldn't get it to clear my muzzy though
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anyone know the specs on this? I would love to quit throwing crap up into my shock

Like I said, exhaust can won't clear the hugger. Trust me. I spent an entire weekend futzing around with a dremel and plastic parts.

If you want to protect your shock, get some sheet metal, make a flap, and attach it to the two bolts right in front of the rear wheel that hold the undertail on.
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I will be making a hugger for my pregen but then again there will be many custom made parts on my build.

choneofakind Can you circle where you had issues? for me it seems to the arm holding the brake and brake line in place that would be the problem.

If anyone knows of any other bikes with OEM/Cheap huggers I wouldn't mind experimenting and seeing what we could get working for our 250s.

http://i.imgur.com/ErGiW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/MZfV5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/RMjwA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jD21p.jpg

The cbr hugger fits great on the swingarm and around the wheel. But to get it spaced evenly, you have to open it up, and then it hits the can. It clears the torque link fine. It won't clear the can without major cutting of the hugger that are IMHO, ugly.

If you can find a hugger that does not have the fake swingarm (a Scotts hugger for example) that should fit fine with some trimming of the undertail.

No need to circle, all I'm going to circle is the right exhaust can. The left one likely has the same issue but idk because I have a muzzy.
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Its worth a try with the stock cans though. From what I remember of my stock cans, they were also too close to my swingarm and would not have enough clearance for a higher with a fake swingarm thing like the cbr hugger

Ps monkey, I'm digging the black rear peg brackets
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The cbr hugger fits great on the swingarm and around the wheel. But to get it spaced evenly, you have to open it up, and then it hits the can. It clears the torque link fine. It won't clear the can without major cutting of the hugger that are IMHO, ugly.

If you can find a hugger that does not have the fake swingarm (a Scotts hugger for example) that should fit fine with some trimming of the undertail.

No need to circle, all I'm going to circle is the right exhaust can. The left one likely has the same issue but idk because I have a muzzy.
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Don't most huggers for the new gens (and modern bikes) connect from only one side? I'm wondering why we couldn't just cut off the right holder almost entirely off.

I think it may be a whole different story since you used a muzzy as those sit in a completely different position than the stock pipes.

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Barring any other advice against it/ experience with using this on stock pipes I may buy this and throw together a tutorial.

the shape of the hugger would look wrong if I just hacked the right side off because of how they integrated the hugger into the fake swingarm thing. Idk I'm sure I could hack enough off to make it work, but I thought it would look dumb, not to mention my track day and efi project kinda were more pressing

Go for it. I'll see what you did and possibly improve my retrofit based on how you do it. :thumbup:

The angle and position of the muzzy is nearly identical to the stock cans. I also have my tail raised a bunch, so I have more space to work with than you do.
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the shape of the hugger would look wrong if I just hacked the right side off because of how they integrated the hugger into the fake swingarm thing. Idk I'm sure I could hack enough off to make it work, but I thought it would look dumb, not to mention my track day and efi project kinda were more pressing

Go for it. I'll see what you did and possibly improve my retrofit based on how you do it. :thumbup:

The angle and position of the muzzy is nearly identical to the stock cans. I also have my tail raised a bunch, so I have more space to work with than you do.
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We'll see what I can futz together :)

Can you give me any measurements on CBR hugger? The length between the two bolts holes on the stock chain guard are ~11 inches. I assume they're the same on the newgens and that's why you only secure it to one hole in the newgen tutorial.

I've modded that part sorry.

But the front hole on the cbr hugger is definitely too far forward and too low. I cut it off and epoxied it to a different place on the hugger so that I could bolt it to the stock mounting spots.
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Don't most huggers for the new gens (and modern bikes) connect from only one side? I'm wondering why we couldn't just cut off the right holder almost entirely off.

I think it may be a whole different story since you used a muzzy as those sit in a completely different position than the stock pipes.

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Barring any other advice against it/ experience with using this on stock pipes I may buy this and throw together a tutorial.

The A-tech and Indonesian huggers make a fake swingarm design over both sides and are part of that or connect to it. Scott's hugger and that UK one are chain-guard replacements that attach on one side. Because you can swap to current-gen suspension, wheels, brakes, forks, shocks, swingarms, and all, you could grab all that and fit any J-bike hugger as long as there is enough clearance under the tail. :)

Finally got it in the mail! planning begins tomorrow along with some fabric strength testing I'll be doing for my motorcycle jeans.

http://i.imgur.com/3rp5T.jpg

Good luck! Let us know how it goes. I would appreciate some help on cutting mine to fit.

2 brains is better than one right? :)

choneofakind

Just got mine on to the swingarm. I still don't see where you're getting a clearance issue on the right side.

http://i.imgur.com/xroOc.jpg

I had the right side out on the outside of the torque link so that bolt wasn't visible and the hugger part was flush-ish with the right side of the swingarm. That same part was rubbing on my can.

Maybe it's the Muzzy can being a larger diameter. Maybe your rear pegs brackets are spaced out wider than mine. Keep going. I'm watching how you do this.

http://i.imgur.com/8tKSd.jpg

Thinking of cutting off the plastic below the red line on the left and after the red line on the right. I'll need to drill a hole at the red cross on the left and I'll have to take the tab I cut off from either side and attach it to the cross on the right to make a hole that will sit on the swing arm fastener.
The left side should sit like the original mud guard if I do this, at least on the left side.

http://i.imgur.com/ueulZ.jpg

On the right the plastic will be flush with the edge of the swing arm instead of sitting on top of it. I'll cut that tab to the right to get rid of the ugly hole and I'm thinking about using metal/piper's tape to create a fastener for the other hole. Or, I could use the brake line guide:

http://i.imgur.com/KwbpZl.jpg

And drill a line through it and run a bolt through that. This is just some rough planning on my part and I'm open for any suggestions you guys might have.

I also used the brake line holder as a mounting point.

Progress so far. I should be done later tonight/in the morning and I'll have a tutorial thread up if I don't destroy the whole thing.

http://i.imgur.com/7BWbj.jpg

Easy enough to do. I used a 15/64 bit, I'm guessing a 6mm or larger would would work fine as well.


http://i.imgur.com/4D2iS.jpg

The cut I'm thinking about doing for the back. I'm too worried about my sprocket catching on that ending and the hole is kind of ugly.

http://i.imgur.com/Ly78e.jpg

Going to use this or the ending I cut off to make the second holder. Bought some multi use cement that should work for ABS.



I also used the brake line holder as a mounting point.

It seems to be the only way of holding the hugger to the right side, other than using a zip tie which I want to avoid.



Ps monkey, I'm digging the black rear peg brackets
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Totally missed this! Yes, they do look a lot better than the silver ones. I just scuffed them up with some sand paper I had laying around and used flat black engine paint. It's stood up pretty well so far!

Need some help guys. Trying to connect a piece I cut off to the main body, but what should I do? I've tried ABS cement but it came off even when I let it sit for 3 hours. I've sanded both sides a bit and I've clamped the two together with 2 C clamps but I'm not sure if that will do it. It needs to be a high strength connection.

Ideas?

I used J-B weld and clamped it down with a c-clamp while it dried.

Not pretty, but I can always paint over it with flat black so it all matches.


Also, it's ABS plastic right? do you have any ABS cement?

I used J-B weld and clamped it down with a c-clamp while it dried.

Not pretty, but I can always paint over it with flat black so it all matches.


Also, it's ABS plastic right? do you have any ABS cement?

I assumed it was ABS but ABS cement is doing absolutely nothing! I might try some other plastic weld but I'm at a loss here, maybe I'll contact Honda customer support and ask them if it's ABS :confused:

Did you try using epoxy + mesh on the underside?
When I had to fix some ABS of mine I held the 2 pieces with clear packing tape on 1 side(to act like a hinge) and put epoxy along the crack and on the back with mesh and it came out pretty good. Peeled the tape off after hardening

if nothing else works, try J-B weld 2 part epoxy. that's what I used and it worked great.

JB weld was the answer, thanks choneofakind. I plan to repaint this whole thing so it's not a big deal if it looks a bit ugly before hand. I'm guessing this isn't actually ABS plastic because the ABS cement worked fine on a crack in my lower fairing but not on these.


Should I let this piece sit for a day before I work with it?

I did. It sat there in a clamp for a day and it has held fine since then.

Jb weld didn't work too well. I was able to pull the piece off. I'm thinking about drilling through and filling the holes with jb weld. though I don't know how this will affect the look. I'll sand it down afterwards I guess and repaint the whole thing.
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I've given up on the old method. I decided to go with one of my ideas of drilling into both pieces.

http://i.imgur.com/DjoSL.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Lbort.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ARH0Q.jpg

hopefully this will work better.

hmmm. I used the stock rear hole and modded the front end and made brackets to work for the back and the right side. Maybe that's why my spacing what different than yours?

I'll be home this weekend. I'll take pictures of my hugger as it sits now and see if we can compare notes.

hmmm. I used the stock rear hole and modded the front end and made brackets to work for the back and the right side. Maybe that's why my spacing what different than yours?

I'll be home this weekend. I'll take pictures of my hugger as it sits now and see if we can compare notes.

Yeah, that's probably why. I've gotten it in a position that I want and now the hard issue is to get this tab held in place without it moving. if I could warm up and bend this plastic a bit making this joint wouldn't be so hard. As it stands now this tab holds the chain guard part straight so the chain isn't scraping against it and that kind of puts pressure on the connection.

hopefully I can finish this project tomorrow since I have classes on wednesday. repainting shouldn't be too hard though, just going to use some fender/ bumper paint.

Nope JB weld didn't work. I'm going to hall honda customer support and try to figure out what the hell this thing is made of. I'll probably end up using bolts to hold this piece on if I can't figure out anything else.

I don't think the bondo and mesh will provide the strength I'm looking for.

http://www.nme.com/boards/images/smilies/werd.gif JB weld never holds for me.

The hugger is currently on my bike. Repainted and totally secured. Tutorial and pictures of it on the bike will be coming this week.

Just a bit of a tease I guess:

http://i.imgur.com/YcRbh.jpg

Nice! Maybe I just got lucky on my JB weld. I goobered the crap out of it and left it in a clamp for a day or two.

Was your JB weld the 2-part epoxy kind? That's what I used. Huh.


ANNYHOWWW I'm waiting on pictures. I'll get back to figuring mine out over winter break/eventually whenever I feel like getting around to it :o I'll have the can off anyways to re-pack my can, so that sounds like a good time to work on the bike.

Here's a couple pictures of the hugger after a day of riding. I don't know if I'll be keeping it on my bike now that I've seen the points of contact it has against the inner body plastics whenever you hit a bump or the shock compresses. I haven't noticed any loss in control or anything like that but it's kind of worrying.

I really love the look of the chain guard though. Looks way better than the doinky pregen one.

http://i.imgur.com/k5I3A.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Ho6Vv.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/oOAcw.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/U3jMZ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/FdXoX.jpg

Also, Any idea what this liquid could be?

http://i.imgur.com/7D28z.jpg

Felt oily, but had no smell :confused:

Chain lube.


Cut the under tail like I did. I basically just followed the lines of the tail so that it looks a little cleaner as well. These are the only pictures I have of it that show how I cut stuff off. notice that you can see through right in front of my rear wheel. Also, my tail is raised, so there's more space on top of the wheel, but ignore that for now.

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=8937

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=8935

you'll have tons of clearance once you get that trimmed off a little bit

Chain lube.


Cut the under tail like I did. I basically just followed the lines of the tail so that it looks a little cleaner as well. These are the only pictures I have of it that show how I cut stuff off. notice that you can see through right in front of my rear wheel. Also, my tail is raised, so there's more space on top of the wheel, but ignore that for now.

you'll have tons of clearance once you get that trimmed off a little bit

Hmm I think I'll do that this weekend. Does it serve any purpose that the hugger wouldn't if I cut them off?


Also nice grills, did you follow the 250 wiki to do those? I've considered doing that mod but I'm not sure if it would look good on my bike.

I don't think so. Once the hugger is on there, everything that would normally get flung forward is going to be stopped at the hugger, so I doubt it's going to be an issue.

Thanks, and yes I did. I rather like how it turned out, but I wish I had used perforated sheeting instead of gutter guard. I like the pattern on that better, and it's not much more expensive from mcmastercarr

EDIT: I'm rather fond of that second picture. Looks good, I'll try and redo it in some direct sunlight next time to get more lime green, and less pea green :)

Well I've decided I'm going to remove the hugger. I may make a tutorial for educational purposes, I may not. I currently need to keep the under tail fairing/original fairing because it is used to hold some switches for my bike's LED lights. I think I may just buy a new gen chain guard for the look or cut up the current one unless someone wants it.

To me this was a good experiment, but a failed one. I hope you have better luck with yours choneofakind now that you've seen my mistakes and my design. You'll probably be luckier at getting it to fit since you don't have to worry about those plastics.

I'll throw up some pictures of the areas that it hit, it looks like there was a clearance issue with the passenger bracket on mine, separate from the other contact issues.

Hmmm, I just got it to work, no contact issues, no nothing like that. I apparently was full of tartar sauce when I did it last time and didn't have the can on right or something... :o

I took plenty of pictures to show you where I trimmed the undertail. I think we'll be able to get yours installed without clearance issues yet!!! (idk for sure though, I have my tail raised a lot which helps. I'll see about getting all these pictures up in a decent time.)

EDIT TO ADD SOME PICTURES FOR Monkeytofu:

I started by cutting down the chain guard a little:
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=893&pictureid=9198

Then I made cuts for the tabs on the swingarm. They are on the right and left corners of the front of the hugger:
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=893&pictureid=9197
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=893&pictureid=9196

Then I hacked off the bottom of the front mounting tab. I cut that a bit, and used JB Weld to connect the tab to the hugger. I worked for me, even after riding for 130+ miles with it :idunno:
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=893&pictureid=9195
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=893&pictureid=9199

Then I made a little bracket for the back. To attach the hugger to the bracket, I needed a screw, a nut for the back, and a washer, because the hole was bigger than the head of the screw that I chose. The bracket attaches nicely to the swingarm using the stock bolt:
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=893&pictureid=9194

I also trimmed my undertail drastically. I think this is the step you need to make to gain some more clearance and stop rubbing the top of it at least. My tail is also raised, which helps I think. This shot shows the general line that I followed. I think I could have taken more off that corner on the left, but meh:
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=893&pictureid=9190

For the right side, I used the stock holder for the brake line and drilled a hole in it. I used a ziptie to connect the hugger to the modded brake line thingy. I think I will make a long bracket in the future that will go from the torque link to the modded brake line thingy so that it doesn't shift forward and make the hugger off-center like it does now. The bracket will only be to stop the modded brake thing from moving; the modded brake holder will actually hold the hugger:
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=893&pictureid=9189

The front mounting hole on the tab lines right up with the stock mounting point:
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=893&pictureid=9193

Here you can see that the hugger sits just in front of the cross-member of the swingarm when installed like this. I hope that this means it will drip down onto the wheel, and not onto the swingarm:
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=893&pictureid=9187

and here's what it looks like installed. Pardon the dirt, the ride I went on was a little wet and threw some dirt everywhere:
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=893&pictureid=9192
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=893&pictureid=9191
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=893&pictureid=9188
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=893&pictureid=9184

damn that was pic-heavy. I think in the winter, I will trim off the portion at the rear end of the faux-swingarm thing so it doesn't stick out quite so bad. I might also get some krylon flat black paint for plastic and get it a fresh coat of black, because it gets scuffed up easily as you can see. There's little scuff marks all over it from when I bumped it into things on the bike like the plate, or the undertail, etc :(

I'm still debating on getting matching lime green paint from colorrite and masking off the hugger part and painting it. But I'm not really good at paint, so I likely won't go green, because that would have to actually look good, or else it would just look bad, so leaving it black might just be easiest.

NOTE: I made the bracket with tin snips, a drill, and some basic thin sheet metal. I also cleaned up the edges made when trimming the hugger with a blowtorch.

Looks pretty good. Do you think it would clear a 90-series tire?

not sure. It really depends on where you get the hugger to sit once it's attached. If you can get it forward to where the inside of the hugger is level with the cross-member of the swingarm, it should clear just fine. Mine is about 1/4" towards the back of the bike from there, so likely yes it would.

Still no word on whether cutting the undertail makes enough room for this on a bike that has not had the tail raised significantly.

choneofakind are you using the stock shock? That's one of my issues as well; just about any bump causes me to go pretty low. I'll have to replace that whenever I see a good deal.

Nice pictures! Yours turned out a lot better than mine. I'll keep playing around with mine once I take it out and see if I can get close to what you did. However, I think it's pretty much required to have to trim the under plastics to get this to work, and that's something I'm going to have to avoid.

If you want to secure the right side and make it a bit more aesthetically pleasing you could use a locknut and a bolt to hold it down. worked fine on mine. You could also JB weld a nut on to the brake line holder.

Still no word on whether cutting the undertail makes enough room for this on a bike that has not had the tail raised significantly.

I'm pretty sure it will make a significant difference. those two "lips that come around the tire are the two worst points of contact. If you just cut those off you should be able to get rid of almost all contact between the hugger and the bike. However, significant bumps can cause the left passenger bracket to make contact with the hugger as well.


Edit: Somewhat related: I assume both generations have the same distance holes on their chain guards. Do you guys think the newgen guard would be better? I'm not sure if it would look nice on the bike either.

No, I have the shock from an 09 bike. That helps a lot.

I was planning on using a bolt and nut for the right side, but all I could find at the moment was a ziptie :p I'll get around to the fine details next time that I'm home.

A spare undertail plastic fender is like $10 on fleabay. Might be work it to take your anger out on with a hacksaw or dremel :)

I'm pretty sure it will make a significant difference. those two "lips that come around the tire are the two worst points of contact. If you just cut those off you should be able to get rid of almost all contact between the hugger and the bike. However, significant bumps can cause the left passenger bracket to make contact with the hugger as well.


Edit: Somewhat related: I assume both generations have the same distance holes on their chain guards. Do you guys think the newgen guard would be better? I'm not sure if it would look nice on the bike either.

Hmmm, bend the pegs out :)

I'm not sure if they are the same distance apart or not between the generations. Someone should go measure them for us

No, I have the shock from an 09 bike. That helps a lot.

I was planning on using a bolt and nut for the right side, but all I could find at the moment was a ziptie :p I'll get around to the fine details next time that I'm home.

A spare undertail plastic fender is like $10 on fleabay. Might be work it to take your anger out on with a hacksaw or dremel :)

Yeah, the real issue here is that I have electronics attached to the undertail plastics.

If you look closely you can see two rubberized switches, those are used to activate the LED light system on my bike. It's too convenient of a spot for switches to lose for my hugger, at least in my opinion :o

http://i.imgur.com/k5I3A.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/k5I3A.jpg

Oh yeah, look at those beauties.

Get a pair of plastic newgen swingarm caps, drill out the centers, and install come clicky switches in those. They're still convenient, and not obvious. Plus black swingarm caps look better than the faux-chrome ones on the pre-gen

Took the hugger off for good. Here's the damage, glad I took it off.

There is considerable tire wear on the inside of it and I would strongly recommenced against doing it, at least the way I did.

http://i.imgur.com/I9RSY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wknDf.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0WOi0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gvKfV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qXrFL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cWxGr.jpg

Hmmm, mine doesn't seem to be rubbing on the tire at all, but I'll have to check on it when I'm home for thanksgiving. You put yours further back than I did right? Mine is like 1/4" behind the cross member of the swimgarm, and the wheel spins freely when the bike is on stands. idk. That picture makes me worry now. I'll check once I'm home.

Hmmm, mine doesn't seem to be rubbing on the tire at all, but I'll have to check on it when I'm home for thanksgiving. You put yours further back than I did right? Mine is like 1/4" behind the cross member of the swimgarm, and the wheel spins freely when the bike is on stands. idk. That picture makes me worry now. I'll check once I'm home.

No idea how far back mine was exactly, but I think mine may have been closer since I didn't attach the tab with the hole to the backside like you did.

Yeah, it spun freely for me so I don't know what or when exactly this happened. Just take a look after a couple of rides and you should be able to see the wear without taking off.

It never caused me to drive badly, and the plastic obviously wore down when touching it.

Ok, that helps a little. I will move it forward if needed.

Bump on this thread. I finally got my install finished. I now have matching hardware all over and a new bracket on both sides of the swing arm. This allowed me to get rid of the zip-tie and make the hugger much more solidly mounted.

I'll post up pictures soon, after I get a chance to take some. I made a bracket for the right side that attaches to the front pivot for the torque link. The right side no longer interferes with my rear stand. :thumbup: Still no rubbing of the undertail or tire. I still think this is because my rear is raised so high.

Again, I'll get pictures up eventually.

Took your guys design and changed it a little. I actually fabed and welded tabs to the swing arm...and its green

Good work on the tabs. But that green. Bleh.

Ya idk if im sold on it. Considering a gloss black. Ill leave for a few days and see how i feel

It clashes.

Ya idk if im sold on it. Considering a gloss black. Ill leave for a few days and see how i feel

Flat, and paint the swingarm to match. You want that part to blend. Leave the hugger portion green (looks great!). A glossy black swingarm looks just as weird as a glossy black hugger support area. If you want any more green than just the hugger portion, limit it to the chain guard portion. Even then, I think the chain guard protrusion should be shortened if you can do it cleanly. Avoid the Skidmarxx "all green" style at all costs!

Not a hugger but a better looking chain guard, look at one of my blogs,

https://www.ninjette.org/forums/blog.php?b=8358