Alright, new ninja is coming out with **** tons of bells and whistles!

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?p=558738

The rules are simple, guess what the bike's MSRP will be priced at for both ABS and non ABS models (I'm only counting the U.S. guess w/e you want though)

I'm taking all bets! Winning pays 2:1, losers forfeit their pink slip!! GAME ON

Alright, I'm saying $5,199 non $5,599 ABS

I'm betting $5299 non-abs, $5799 with abs

I'm not betting my title on it though :lol:

Max $4.5K

$4399 standard
$4899 abs

I've also seen on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDQOUGHAIjs the 2013 Ninja 400R being released in the US as well. Not sure if this has been posted or not but I'd rather the 400 instead of the 300. But I think the 300 will be priced at $4599 non-abs and $5099 for abs.

^^ that video is full of sh!t. sorry, but I don't think that's reputable, nor do I think it makes sense for kawasaki to sell both of those bikes here.

I'll go with
$4499 non-ABS
$4999 ABS
Add $300-350 for SE color

If they start in the $5k range then it'll be too much for an entry level bike ($5500-$6500 OTD) -- the CBR250R is $4099 ($4599 ABS) and people are buying them slightly below MSRP

I'll go with
$4499 non-ABS
$4999 ABS
Add $300-350 for SE color

If they start in the $5k range then it'll be too much for an entry level bike ($5500-$6500 OTD) -- the CBR250R is $4099 ($4599 ABS) and people are buying them slightly below MSRP

are you kidding? I checked 4dealers and i couldnt get my '12 for less than 7kOTD. Surely this will be quite a bit more.

are you kidding? I checked 4dealers and i couldnt get my '12 for less than 7kOTD. Surely this will be quite a bit more.

Current MSRP is $4199 ($4449 SE) so if dealers are price gouging in your area then thats a different story

I think the very lowest it will go for is $4,999. Take the current price of $4,199, then add a larger engine, EFI, redesigned body work, digital guages, slipper clutch, their FCC thingy (no ****in clue what that is) With all that in consideration anything under 5k is wishful thinking.

As a good measure look at the 2008 redesign. They changed the fairings and suspension, tire size but used the same engine and same carbs (I think?). Just doing that upped the price by $500

$4499 non ABS, $4999 ABS.

Yall are really optimistic haha. At least we can all agree on one thing, ABS will cost $500 :D

msrp for the 2013 250R my guess,

$4,199 non abs
$4,599 abs.

they have to still compete with the honda which offer theres around that.

I think it'll be slightly more expensive than the CBR250R, but not more than $5000. The video said it was priced for a price conscious market.

I'm guessing 4299 + 500 for ABS. Optimism fo sho...

msrp for the 2013 250R my guess,

$4,199 non abs
$4,599 abs.

they have to still compete with the honda which offer theres around that.

I'll take your 06 ninja now :thumbup:

msrp for the 2013 250R my guess,

$4,199 non abs
$4,599 abs.

they have to still compete with the honda which offer theres around that.

if they did that every cbr250 owner would trade theirs in.
then the price would go up anyway.

add 300-400 to your price.

A 300cc twin doesn't compete with a 250cc single, just not even the same league especially when both are EFI

I'll take your 06 ninja now :thumbup:

Come get it.

A 300cc twin doesn't compete with a 250cc single, just not even the same league especially when both are EFI

that what i was implying,
if the 300 cost the same as a 250, no one would buy the 250. why not get the next level up. the demand would drive up the price of the 300.

the market will always balance itself.

nor do I think it makes sense for kawasaki to sell both of those bikes here.

i dont think it too far fetched as long as it just the motor and gear being changed out.

I doubt that ninja 300 is gonna show up in the USA, unless it's taking place of the ninja 250. In that case, the price can't be much more than the current 250. It has to remain competitively priced against it's competitors.

On another note, the ninja 400 is probably not gonna show up in the USA with 300 in the lineup. It would make more sense for the ninja 250 to remain a 250, with a ninja 400 in the lineup.

I'll go with
$4499 non-ABS
$4999 ABS
Add $300-350 for SE color

If they start in the $5k range then it'll be too much for an entry level bike ($5500-$6500 OTD) -- the CBR250R is $4099 ($4599 ABS) and people are buying them slightly below MSRP
Exactly what I was guessing.

I doubt that ninja 300 is gonna show up in the USA, unless it's taking place of the ninja 250. In that case, the price can't be much more than the current 250. It has to remain competitively priced against it's competitors.

On another note, the ninja 400 is probably not gonna show up in the USA with 300 in the lineup. It would make more sense for the ninja 250 to remain a 250, with a ninja 400 in the lineup.

What competitors?

There is no 2013 250

If it's over 5 grand that will be a huge test to the theory that the US market is price obsessed and won't tolerate an expensive small 250. VStar 250, TU250X, CBR250R, Ninja250R, Rebel 250 - all of these are priced at 4300 +- 200 for a reason.

Let's be honest, any bike with under 50 HP will feel like an anemic dog compared to any other bike in the showroom. It's going to take more then a few extra CC to change the character of the Ninjette. If all you care about is corners then even still the lighter bike will be more fun even a Rebel 250 can take corners at 60+. I don't see Kawasaki pricing this above 5 grand.

It's only anemic on the highway.

A Honda Rebel can't lean for crap.

It's only anemic on the highway.

A Honda Rebel can't lean for crap.

Anemic everywhere, no torque compared to every other bike it is sitting next to.

A Honda Rebel does just fine in sweeping S turns. Let's be real, any two random motorcycle riders probably wouldn't even be able to tell the difference between them in normal city driving.

If this starts at over 5000 I really think they priced themselves out of the market for this, including dealer fees, tax, etc.

It will be an interesting experiment at least. If it succeeds maybe we'll see some actual high spec 250s, Aprilia RS 250 anyone? :D

anemic everywhere, no torque compared to every other bike it is sitting next to.

A honda rebel does just fine in sweeping s turns. Let's be real, any two random motorcycle riders probably wouldn't even be able to tell the difference between them in normal city driving.

If this starts at over 5000 i really think they priced themselves out of the market for this, including dealer fees, tax, etc.

It will be an interesting experiment at least. If it succeeds maybe we'll see some actual high spec 250s, aprilia rs 250 anyone? :d

yes on the aprilia

7100$ aus

Alright you're looking at a honda 250 and a ninja 300. For $800 more you can get a 300cc twin with about 40% more hp, a slipper clutch, some other FCC bullshit, and it looks just like a zx6r so no one will make fun of your small weiner! Who wouldn't do that?

Let's be real, any two random motorcycle riders probably wouldn't even be able to tell the difference between them in normal city driving.

...yeah. Sure :rolleyes:

$4,499 non-abs
$4,999 abs

Alright you're looking at a honda 250 and a ninja 300. For $800 more you can get a 300cc twin with about 40% more hp, a slipper clutch, some other FCC bullshit, and it looks just like a zx6r so no one will make fun of your small weiner! Who wouldn't do that?

Because for $800 more then that you can have a much more powerful bike, especially if we are talking 6-7+ grand OTD. FZ6R, Ninja 650, or even Versys, NC700X adventure bikes. Another coupe hundred puts you in 600 SS class. Another couple hundred liter bikes, another couple hundred S1KRR, etc.

Dangerous to play the "another few hundred" dollar game with motorcycles, because you can easily end up on some outrageous machines. 250s work because the resale value is so strong, it's easy to pass them along when people outgrow them, even though in many cases people end up keeping them. A 250 starting about 5000 will be interesting to watch.

Replace the words hundred with thousand and you would be correct. A 650 is about $2000 away a 600 is $5000 away

But either way

RIP cbr250

No one has a crystal ball. If the price is really above 5 grand before dealer fees/tax, I would say the general public will place the Ninja 300 in a higher class then the CBR250 and they might not even be cross shopped.

Even if they price it competitive (4999) how many 250 buyers really look at the spec sheet before buying? I wonder how much the numbers really matter. If you wanted a sport bike in the 250 class, you had one option up until last year. Honda has a huge, huge following of brand loyal customers whether it makes sense or not. A huge number of 600RR riders are just Honda fan boys and never even considered the R6 or GSX600R. Unfortunately Kawasaki doesn't have that same base of brand loyalty in the automotive world, but they do have it with almost 30 years of entry level Ninja 250 development. They may be slowly shooting themselves in the foot with the constant price creep and distancing themselves from the entry level market.

Will be an interesting battle to watch, I am at least looking forward to the new batch of 250s.

Just talked to the dealer and he said it's roughly going to cost $6800 Here in Aus. Btw its for the 300 FI version...

So looks like you yanks are getting the FI version aswel yeeew!

I'm guessing $6990 non abs here in 'Straya.

$1000 more than the superceeded gen.

I'm with Jiggles, I don't see this going under 5K MSRP.

But either way

RIP cbr250

Maybe here, but the US is only a fraction of the world market.

I predict that the CBR250 will have a run of maybe five years before they withdraw it from the US market. The bike will live on and be very successful overseas.

Honda didn't build that bike for us. They built it for the teeming masses on the other side of the planet. A reliable, simple thumper engine is a real plus over there and the extra power doesn't really do all that much given the state of the roads and traffic. The priorities are different than they are for us.

It might even make sense for Kawasaki to sell the 250 and the 300 at the same time here. Leave the carbed 250 as the super cheapo ~4400 version to compete with all the other budget 250s, and have the 300 at 5000-6000 to fill the gap between the 250 and the 650 for people who might actually care about a slipper clutch, EFI, ABS and the marginal extra power.

Because for $800 more then that you can have a much more powerful bike, especially if we are talking 6-7+ grand OTD. FZ6R, Ninja 650, or even Versys, NC700X adventure bikes. Another coupe hundred puts you in 600 SS class. Another couple hundred liter bikes, another couple hundred S1KRR, etc.

yeah, but I want a small, light weight bike that is easy to move around the garage, gets 50+ mpg when being railed on, and is still a hoot around fun roads without getting into lose-your-license-and-do-jail-time speeds, but is still easy and inexpensive to maintain. I would pay a little extra money for a souped up 250 than can do all that for me.

There is talk about different gearing on the 300. Like higher final drive, lower first gear, and higher 6th gear. Aka, this ninjette might also not be to shabby on longer trips at highway speeds. It might just be the perfect small displacement bike.

But then again, it might just fall flat on its face. Time will tell.

I have no doubt Kawasaki will put together a brilliant bike, I just don't think the market will bear a 5000$+ almost-250. I'm guessing the highest they will go is 4999 on the 300 unless they keep the 250 around to fight the CBR250.

The US market is unique: highly price competitive on new models and a bit saturated in the used market so really it's a buyers market. If the CBR250 was really eating Kawasaki's sales, and it was already cheaper and slower, I'm not sure what Kawasaki's strategy is by bringing out a faster more expensive bike.

I have no doubt Kawasaki will put together a brilliant bike, I just don't think the market will bear a 5000$+ almost-250. I'm guessing the highest they will go is 4999 on the 300 unless they keep the 250 around to fight the CBR250.

The US market is unique: highly price competitive on new models and a bit saturated in the used market so really it's a buyers market. If the CBR250 was really eating Kawasaki's sales, and it was already cheaper and slower, I'm not sure what Kawasaki's strategy is by bringing out a faster more expensive bike.No point in keeping both 250 and 300

To compete with the CBR they had to upgrade the instrument panel and include FI in US/Canada (alrdy FI in Europe & Asia) which would have pushed the cost of the bike higher anyways so they would've had to offer something extra for people to buy it. They probably decided to shift the entry-level market from 250cc to 300cc since it probably doesn't cost them much more to build a 300cc engine (they'll stick with the 250cc engine in Asia where owning a >250cc bike is too expensive due to government regulations/taxes)

Remember that KTM is looking to launch a 350cc bike in 2014 so the Ninja 300 will kind of be able to compete with that. Honda will probably stick with the 250 for a few years to see how the market plays out. If the 300-350cc market succeeds then Honda will be forced to upgrade their bike and try to catch up, but if that market fails (most likely due to higher pricing) then Honda will come out ahead

I think the 300-350cc market will definitely succeed since it'll give people the little extra power that they want on the highway and I'm sure more people will be willing to hold onto their bikes for a longer period of time

Another idea on pricing is similar to what they did when the 08 Ninja came out -- spread the price increase across 2 model years:
07 Ninja $2999
08 Ninja $3499
09 Ninja $3999

Something like
$4500-$4800 for 2013
$4800-$5000 for 2014

I still think $5k would be too much, but on the other hand if it was a 350 then :eyebrows:

07 Ninja $2999
08 Ninja $3499
09 Ninja $3999


You sure?
The current msrp for a bike is $4,449. I'm pretty sure a pregen was $3,499 new, but maybe I'm wrong. I think you're $500 off.

I thought that the pregens capped out at $2999. There was a hubbub when the new-gens came out $500 more, at $3499.

Huh, maybe I'm $500 off.

but the msrp of a current 2012 bike is definitely $4,449; I checked that before posting :p

Huh, maybe I'm $500 off.

but the msrp of a current 2012 bike is definitely $4,449; I checked that before posting :p
Current is $4199 ($4449 if you want SE)

dumb kawasaki site is confusing... :o

dumb kawasaki site is confusing... :o

Yea, if you're looking at it in the menu then it just shows the $4449 price, but if you click on the 250 link then the page will show $4199-$4449 which is kind of stupid since they should put the cheapest price in the menu and then show the SE price once people are on the 250 page

are you kidding? I checked 4dealers and i couldnt get my '12 for less than 7kOTD. Surely this will be quite a bit more.

I got mine at $6,500 OTD :confused30: and I thought that was high

I got mine at $6,500 OTD :confused30: and I thought that was high

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b276/seanvoight/most%20used%20pics/Facepalm.gif

I got mine at $6,500 OTD :confused30: and I thought that was high

Do you have a price breakdown by any chance? Are CA dealers inflating the actual MSRP or are they adding in a bunch of different fees (freight/prep/inspection)?

Its probably cheaper for you guys to travel to a nearby state to buy it

Do you have a price breakdown by any chance? Are CA dealers inflating the actual MSRP or are they adding in a bunch of different fees (freight/prep/inspection)?

Its probably cheaper for you guys to travel to a nearby state to buy it


theres a bunch of different issues with buying out of state, thats why they have the california model.

Do you have a price breakdown by any chance? Are CA dealers inflating the actual MSRP or are they adding in a bunch of different fees (freight/prep/inspection)?

Its probably cheaper for you guys to travel to a nearby state to buy it

It's illegal to buy a 49 state bike and bring it to CA if its new.

Here's how the dealer told me why the ninja 250 I wanted was 7k OTD. I went to check out the bikes, asked about the OTD prices on the 250s and said I was interested in the black one. He said they are selling really well right now so they are at full MSRP and then there are dealer fees bringing it to 6500, however the black ones are really hot so they are charging and extra 500 for the black one making it $7000, I left shortly after

Now here's the funny thing, the bike I'm riding right now is that first bike I ever looked at. The guy I bought this from on craigslist bought it from that dealer the day after I was in there. Just a weird coincidence.

I was able to negotiate an added 3 yr mechanical insurance to the price so maybe a little cheaper or maybe they just got suckered by me. A lot of it was in the Tax and stupid dealer fees. I dislike California for their emissions and making everything more expensive because of it, like the Ninja 250.

It's illegal to buy a 49 state bike and bring it to CA if its new.

Here's how the dealer told me why the ninja 250 I wanted was 7k OTD. I went to check out the bikes, asked about the OTD prices on the 250s and said I was interested in the black one. He said they are selling really well right now so they are at full MSRP and then there are dealer fees bringing it to 6500, however the black ones are really hot so they are charging and extra 500 for the black one making it $7000, I left shortly after

Now here's the funny thing, the bike I'm riding right now is that first bike I ever looked at. The guy I bought this from on craigslist bought it from that dealer the day after I was in there. Just a weird coincidence.
I remember Fed-spec and Cali-spec for cars but didn't know they also had them for bikes -- good to know

I'm from Chicago too but I never looked at what the specs would've been for Illinois, otherwise I would've gone home and bought it there instead but then again I would've probably had to pay more in sales tax considering that in Chicago you get city, county and federal tax added to a new vehicle purchase.

http://i.imgur.com/oVqa5.png

Since Kawi is the only manufacturer importing a 300cc sporty bike, the price will be:

Whatever they damn well pleases

Unless another manufacturer gives them competition, their whim will determine what it costs to step up another 50cc.

Since Kawi is the only manufacturer importing a 300cc sporty bike, the price will be:

Whatever they damn well pleases

Unless another manufacturer gives them competition, their whim will determine what it costs to step up another 50cc.

not really it still has to be less than the ninja 400.
although they are comparing there own product, sooner or later outside comparisons will be made.

not really it still has to be less than the ninja 400.


yeaaaaaaa, that doesnt exist

yeaaaaaaa, that doesnt exist

i beg to differ, eh...

400R discontinued as of 2013.... eh

400R discontinued as of 2013.... eh

does that prevent a historical and somewhat logical price point comparison from being made?

Since Kawi is the only manufacturer importing a 300cc sporty bike, the price will be:

Whatever they damn well pleases

Unless another manufacturer gives them competition, their whim will determine what it costs to step up another 50cc.

To a certain extent. Manufacturers will always try to maximize profits but ultimately the free market will dictate. I'm sure Kawasaki has market research data for all the local markets that will get the 300.

does that prevent a historical and somewhat logical price point comparison from being made?

Nope. I agree with your point. Obviously just pointing out that the 400R example is not as current or perhaps relevant to the US market and for Canada as of 2013.

Nope. I agree with your point. Obviously just pointing out that the 400R example is not as current or perhaps relevant to the US market and for Canada as of 2013.

i think its a pretty hard limit.
comparing the two bikes specs, the 400 should cost more than the 300.
if it cost the same as a 400 most would jump for a 600.

There's no way the 300 will cost the same as the 400R did ($6,999 CAD). A 2012 250R here costs $4,999 MSRP. I'm guessing the 300 will cost $5,499 or slightly less and add $500 for the ABS option.

I'm gonna say $4,999 anything higher would be to close to the 650 for me.

Prices start at $4799 :D

http://ninja300.kawasaki.com/Overview

I know ninjas generally keep its value quite well...I wonder if the introduction of the 300 will have an effect on the value of the new gen 250s now?

Rejoice my friends for it were only a $600 price increase! Hurrah!

Rejoice my friends for it were only a $600 price increase! Hurrah!

yeah, but wait and see how much of a markup the stealerships will add on

yeah, but wait and see how much of a markup the stealerships will add on

Only as much as you let them ;)

I know ninjas generally keep its value quite well...I wonder if the introduction of the 300 will have an effect on the value of the new gen 250s now?
They'll still hold their value since the new one costs more

Most new riders wont be able to afford the 300 so they'll probably be happy paying $3000-3500 for a used 250 to learn on and then upgrade to something else

$4799 + tax/title/dealer fees/markup will come out to $6000-$7000 OTD for most areas ($7500-8000 for high priced areas like CA)

Rejoice my friends for it were only a $600 price increase! Hurrah!Hopefully they keep it at this price for at least 2 years -- it'll go to $4999 eventually

No lol, expect 6k-7k quotes for the 300 in ca

I love the new look and upgrades on the Ninja 300, but the price of this motorcycle is going up alot in a short time.

The price has skyrocketed from $3500 in 2008 to $4800 in 2012. A 37% increase in 4 years , or a 60% price increase from the 2007 model. :eek:

IMO, 2014 will be 5k

That's OK, because it's 63.4% cooler. :thumbup:

They should release another $3000 bike. BRING BACK THE PREGENS!

yea definitely 60% cooler hahaha.

I'd rather have a real bike and get a used 600 for this kinda money. :p And it would make me 160% cooler!

Alright, I'm saying $5,198 non $5,598:tongue: ABS

They should release another $3000 bike. BRING BACK THE PREGENS!
:thumbup:

I am going to say $4,799 non abs and $5,499 abs for the win. But I do have a question does the SE cost extra for non abs. I saw that it is the only option for the abs model. By the way CBR250 non abs $4,099 Ninja 300 non abs $4,799 CBR250 abs $4,599 Ninja 300 $5,499. So the difference is $700 non abs and $900 abs. The CBR250 is full of fail, but I still would like to see the prices a little closer.

I'd rather have a real bike and get a used 600 for this kinda money. :p And it would make me 160% cooler!

I have an 08 600RR and bought one anyway. Completely different bikes. The Ninja 300 is a great commuter and can be great for long trips with some mods due to the high gas mileage and upright position. I would rather have this bike than a $5000 600cc bike that has been flogged by the owner (they pretty much all get beat on hard)

http://i945.photobucket.com/albums/ad292/ArmyStrongMD/401277F2-C384-47BA-9173-9FB27438C8C8-1005-00000056834E9439.jpg

Just for kicks when I picked my bike up the other day I asked about the 300 and they said OTD I could get it for 5189. Decent price basically it was msrp plus tax. I figure with that money I would much rather get a used r6

I have an 08 600RR and bought one anyway. Completely different bikes. The Ninja 300 is a great commuter and can be great for long trips with some mods due to the high gas mileage and upright position. I would rather have this bike than a $5000 600cc bike that has been flogged by the owner (they pretty much all get beat on hard)

http://i945.photobucket.com/albums/ad292/ArmyStrongMD/401277F2-C384-47BA-9173-9FB27438C8C8-1005-00000056834E9439.jpg


I see what your saying. But I already have two 250's. I don't really want or need a 300. But if I did, I would get a 351 big bore kit for the KLX250. I know most 600cc's get abused but it is possible to find one that was less abused than the rest. Haha.

But I must say, the Ninja 300 is breathtakingly beautiful! :D Especially in white!

looks great with the 5.0 behind it. would be neat if they were both the same color

The guessing is over in Canada...

A bit surprised with the pricing...

300 non abs :5 299$
300 non abs special edition: 5 499$
300 abs: 5 799$
300 abs special edition: 5 999$

Might rethink a bit my urge to switch to the abs special edition... Or trying to buy a white US non abs one...

I see what your saying. But I already have two 250's. I don't really want or need a 300. But if I did, I would get a 351 big bore kit for the KLX250. I know most 600cc's get abused but it is possible to find one that was less abused than the rest. Haha.

But I must say, the Ninja 300 is breathtakingly beautiful! :D Especially in white!

I have a 250 also (Yamaha). I am really happy the KLX went to FI but disappointed the KLR did not. I will buy one once they finally switch to FI if there's nothing else on the market like it.

The bright side is the super sport engines are made to be abused at the track so the engine is not usually the problem. I just see the bikes as track bikes and there's so much about them that makes them impractical for the street. Why not a 650R or Ninja 1000? I almost bought the new 1000 when it came out but on my long distance bike fuel economy/range are my prioriies

looks great with the 5.0 behind it. would be neat if they were both the same color

Had to get the Mustang in black...

Was going to get the 300 in black but it doesn't exist yet. Happy with white though!

They should release another $3000 bike. BRING BACK THE PREGENS!

They do, it's called the Ninja 300 (non ABS).

The MSRP is $3,000...in 1993 dollars lol

If I could go back to '93 I would buy a brand new Civic EX sedan, a Supra, and the newest 91 Prelude 2.0si 4WS I could find.

Sigh.

The guessing is over in Canada...

A bit surprised with the pricing...

300 non abs :5 299$
300 non abs special edition: 5 499$
300 abs: 5 799$
300 abs special edition: 5 999$

Might rethink a bit my urge to switch to the abs special edition... Or trying to buy a white US non abs one...

Pretty stupid that you can't buy ABS in the US on anything but the Special Edition!

I have a 250 also (Yamaha). I am really happy the KLX went to FI but disappointed the KLR did not. I will buy one once they finally switch to FI if there's nothing else on the market like it.

The bright side is the super sport engines are made to be abused at the track so the engine is not usually the problem. I just see the bikes as track bikes and there's so much about them that makes them impractical for the street. Why not a 650R or Ninja 1000? I almost bought the new 1000 when it came out but on my long distance bike fuel economy/range are my prioriies


Since when is the KLX FI?? http://www.kawasaki.com/Products/product-specifications.aspx?id=698 :confused: It's still got a carburetor. Honda just came out with a Honda CRF250L which is fuel injected. So Kawi is now on the bottom of the 250cc dual sport category.

650s and 1000s are ugly. Haha. And I want an inline 4 or triple. I love everything about SS bikes. And it wouldn't be used for commuting. I have that covered. It would be used as a fun weekend bike/track bike. By the time I can afford a 600 I will hopefully be able to afford track days. This is all at least 3 years down the road. And by then maybe my thoughts will change.

Since when is the KLX FI?? http://www.kawasaki.com/Products/product-specifications.aspx?id=698 :confused: It's still got a carburetor. Honda just came out with a Honda CRF250L which is fuel injected. So Kawi is now on the bottom of the 250cc dual sport category.

650s and 1000s are ugly. Haha. And I want an inline 4 or triple. I love everything about SS bikes. And it wouldn't be used for commuting. I have that covered. It would be used as a fun weekend bike/track bike. By the time I can afford a 600 I will hopefully be able to afford track days. This is all at least 3 years down the road. And by then maybe my thoughts will change.

Sorry I meant next year. Next years KLX is FI it's just not "official" yet but Kawi internally said so

IMO, 2014 will be 5k

All the better for me to be satisfied with my 250 for 3200. Seems like a good deal compared to a 300 for 5k or more. If the marketplace decides a 250 just isnt enough but a 300 is, youll be able to get 250s at fire sale prices, and in a coupleof years 300s for what i paid for my 250. :thumbup: