"Hi all -

I just created another subforum for 300-specific general discussion. Historically, I would have liked to keep all of this in General, but our site has gotten so busy that for a new user coming here for the first time, it might look like we have very little content about the new bike.

And since we have 3000+ posts about it, with over 100,000 views, putting it in its own area cements the idea that we want this site to continue to be the number one destination for all fans of the smallest ninja, and makes it clear that even now, we have far more content than all of the sites that have recently sprouted.

I'm not unaware that in some ways the strong growth of ninjette.org came out of kawi's redesign in '08, when some of the existing pre-gen sites didn't support the new bike soon enough. It would be a shame if we let the same thing happen to us with this current redesign, so if there's anything I can or should be doing to provide appropriate support for this new model, please let me know!

- Alex"



I have spent some time on this.

The sitemap is one of the many methods google will find new pages/content on any given site. Just because it's found, doesn't mean it will be valued well. If that was the case, every website in the world would have 50k keywords hidden in the source code. Hell, google doesn't even use the meta keywords tag that has been a standard for years. Why? Because they don't want site operators gaming the system in a simplistic way as though by this thread.

Once a page/content is found... it will go through their rankings algo to find a final resting place in their index. The ranking can change based on additional/changes in content found during an automated reindex or manual run via the webmaster tools, upon that time, it will be reevaluated per their rules, which are a closely guarded secret sause. Search context relevance places a large role in rankings as well as relational links back to a piece of content/page from outside sources such as; other sites, blogs, social media and google +1.

In fact, the more we talk about this, the further it will be devalued. Why? Because google puts high rank on the page's title. And aside of the first post, nothing of value in relation to the title has been added.

That may be too subtle. :)

Don't tell me you want a thread with content?

Doesn't work. Not on the first page of Google search hits plus you made my Google Chrome think that this thread is in Malaysian. *smh*

Maybe we should give it more than ten minutes eh?

The google spiders have not even had a chance to crawl on it yet!

I hear that it demotes links when it detects self-promotion and attempts to influence rankings.

I hear that it demotes links when it detects self-promotion and attempts to influence rankings.

So what your saying is I need to go spam all the other ninjette forums???

So what your saying is I need to go spam all the other ninjette forums???

Sounds like a plan.

CZ might have a point. No, one thread isn't going to kill rankings, and one thread won't save rankings either. But over time, the more content we have here that can be determined to be relevant for the ninja 300, the more folks will see the search results to bring them over here to play. :thumbup:

I suggest everyone put ninja 300 in their sig ;)

Jiggles - I edited your posts with the hidden text. Today we got punted down to page 7 of results from page 4 yesterday. If anyone knew the ins and outs of exactly how Google's algorithms work (other than the few people who code them), I imagine they'd never have to pick up a dinner check in this lifetime.

SEO 101.... This will not help, only hurt.

Two huge flaws;
Repetition of keywords
No contextual content in relation to page title

lol, well it worked with gay swingarm :D

http://bit.ly/PZrvEG

There are more details in a thread somewhere in Forum Info on exactly what is done here to help the search results. Primarily, I run an automated tool that gathers every single URL on this site, and puts it in a standard format for consumption by search engines, called a "sitemap". That updates once per day, and google is notified that there is a new one to grab. Their bots pick up that sitemap file several times every day, add those URL's to their index to be scanned, and it then comes and reads the rest of the content on the page. Also, since we use google adsense, they have an immediate notification of a URL that exists and is being hit, as soon as someone does pull up a page here that has an ad on it (virtually all of them, due to the header and footer). That's why just minutes after you create a new thread here, if you search for that title exactly in google, it will likely already be the top entry in their database, even though it has only existed for a few minutes.

So don't get the wrong impression, Google knows all about this site, and I do what I can to have their index treat us favorably, but sometimes it's easier to get penalized quickly than it is to move things up quickly. I didn't hop on the domain names as quickly as I should have when the 300 was announced, which would have made this job a little easier. We do have:

www.ninja300forum.net

and

www.ninja300forum.org

in case referring to those at some point would be more appropriate for the content on the site. (they, along with the 20+ other domains listed down in that forum info thread, are already live and point to our main site. the newest entertaining one is jiggles favorite, www.ninjetteporn.com)

It's good that it goes to the portal page, true to its name ;)

.

I have spent some time on this.

The sitemap is one of the many methods google will find new pages/content on any given site. Just because it's found, doesn't mean it will be valued well. If that was the case, every website in the world would have 50k keywords hidden in the source code. Hell, google doesn't even use the meta keywords tag that has been a standard for years. Why? Because they don't want site operators gaming the system in a simplistic way as though by this thread.

Once a page/content is found... it will go through their rankings algo to find a final resting place in their index. The ranking can change based on additional/changes in content found during an automated reindex or manual run via the webmaster tools, upon that time, it will be reevaluated per their rules, which are a closely guarded secret sause. Search context relevance places a large role in rankings as well as relational links back to a piece of content/page from outside sources such as; other sites, blogs, social media and google +1.

In fact, the more we talk about this, the further it will be devalued. Why? Because google puts high rank on the page's title. And aside of the first post, nothing of value in relation to the title has been added.

Would it help if we went on google, searched for a forum for the new ninjette, and then searched for our beloved little forums? that would make ninjette.org "more relevant" based on the number of times it was chosen over the other options right?

and Chris, that all just went right over my head... Internet is confusing. I still don't get it.

Lol chone, this is what I do for a living in way. When I design the backend of a website, I pay attention to all kinds of things like; url structure, page titles, html structure, content that is an image vs text and all the way down to the first H1 tag and what content shows up in the first <p> tag.

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if search trends like you propose effects ranking and position. After all that is a form of relevance right.... Google does everything possible to make content king. The only thing I have found that can trip up their algo's for page rank is google +1. It must have a stupid high value. Even more so than companies paying peeps to work at home to post links and comments on blogs and forums that link back to their website. I sure most of us has heard of that. The company that I am working for is currently outsourcing users to +1 their content. Sad but true but is currently working to up their rankings and position in search result listings.

Even a crappy designed website can have high page rank if they have top quality content. There are so many other factors as well. For example; Take the exact same article content and post it two different web sites. Give it a week and then search.... Who is going to get listed first in the results? The older more trusted site or the other newer site. This one is easy but if you figure it out when it's not easy, contact me and I will buy the secret from you.

We need a ninjette +1 asap!

It can be put on the site or you can add it to the browser as an addin. I currently as an addin so I can +1 any content that I run across, even the site doesn't have a +1 right on the page. Alex can then check the +1's in google webmaster tools.

I will +1 this page so Alex can see.

Why only 1? :)

Remember when I asked you for +1 buttons?

Yea lets do that

That makes more sense. I would ask my sister's fiance to explain it to me, but he did technical manuals and stuff like that when he was interning at Google, not to mention he's so freaking bright that he'd really have to dumb down the internet-speak for me. :o

I'll +1 ninjette! I've never +1'd before, but I'm always game to start.

Jiggles, put this in your first post, it's currently ranked 5th now.

Hi all -

I just created another subforum for 300-specific general discussion. Historically, I would have liked to keep all of this in General, but our site has gotten so busy that for a new user coming here for the first time, it might look like we have very little content about the new bike.

And since we have 3000+ posts about it, with over 100,000 views, putting it in its own area cements the idea that we want this site to continue to be the number one destination for all fans of the smallest ninja, and makes it clear that even now, we have far more content than all of the sites that have recently sprouted.

I'm not unaware that in some ways the strong growth of ninjette.org came out of kawi's redesign in '08, when some of the existing pre-gen sites didn't support the new bike soon enough. It would be a shame if we let the same thing happen to us with this current redesign, so if there's anything I can or should be doing to provide appropriate support for this new model, please let me know!

- Alex

How hard could it be for a ragtag team of ninjetters to crack googles code?

Damn. I'm seeing it as link #7 on the first page of results for "ninja 300 forum". Great work, folks. :thumbup: :clapping:

What if you added somewhere on the portal page ninja 250 ninja 300 forum

It's already there in the description. Plenty of references to this being a forum, a reference to the 300/250 focus, along with all of the continuously updated thread data that makes its way to that page. I think we're pretty good at this point, and now should continue to work on adding ninja 300-specific content to continue to make this a place that people want to participate in, once their searches drop them off at the front door.

Wow, google works fast. Now we have two of the top ten links (both pointing to this thread).

How the hell is http://n***********t/ beating us? Its not even anything.

It'll sort itself out.

How the hell is http://[censored].net/ beating us? Its not even anything.

Well, that link isn't helping. *crosses arms*

Lol just google ninja 300 forum, you'll find it

I first found ninjette.org when I was looking for info of how would the 2013 model be (I was hoping for a digital display...)
I found someone's April fool's joke....
the bike turned out better than he hoped but he made a really good guess....

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=99878

Floyd was quite the prognosticator. :thumbup:

It's doubly funny that it started out as an April Fool's gag.

n***********t

trolololololol

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Cue evil laugh. While petting a hairless cat.

Ha! That's great. hahah

For someone who posts as much as he does, I'm surprised to see that Sean mouse-wheels up and down the page instead of using Home/End and Page Up/Page Down. Also could've been a bit more efficient by typing in the Quick Reply box and hitting "Go Advanced" to preview the post.

For someone who posts as much as he does, I'm surprised to see that Sean mouse-wheels up and down the page instead of using Home/End and Page Up/Page Down. Also could've been a bit more efficient by typing in the Quick Reply box and hitting "Go Advanced" to preview the post.

Generally I just hit the little arrow that takes you to the new posts. Also hitting the end button requires moving my hand, I'm too lazy for that

Minor setback. We were bumped to the top of the second page. Which is a shame, as our ninja 300 forum areas are continuing to get growing traffic.

Won't more traffic help? We're getting more information here.

what you want is links in from other sites that reference the keyword, then reference this site directly when talking about the keyword. that is the largest contributor to an individual keyword based page rank. even if something is contextually the best match, it wont come up first if it has a low page rank.

Whoever's a member on other forums, linky!!! ahem Jiggles, that means you.

Alex is on the same forum, I'm sure he can take care of it

Harumph. Back to page 5 or 6 on the search results. The site backed by the motorcycle.com group has managed to take over the majority of the first couple pages. Alrighty my ninjette web warriors, how do we regain our rightful place? To the internet! :thumbup:

Harumph. Back to page 5 or 6 on the search results. The site backed by the motorcycle.com group has managed to take over the majority of the first couple pages. Alrighty my ninjette web warriors, how do we regain our rightful place? To the internet! :thumbup:


You guys could just keep making good content, mods, threads, etc related to the ninja 300 and hope the 300 forum prospers because of that.

Or you could keep trying to mess around with keywords and links :p

The good thing is those options aren't mutually exclusive. :) Traffic drives content; content drives traffic, it's a nice little symbiotic internet circle of life. :thumbup:

OK, I made a few mentions on another forum. Did my part.

Now, how do they get away with calling themselves the "world's largest Ninja 300 forum" anyway?

OK, I made a few mentions on another forum. Did my part.

Now, how do they get away with calling themselves the "world's largest Ninja 300 forum" anyway?

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Back to the top of page 2. This is apparently quite dynamic.

Alex, I noticed that you made another ride report thread yesterday. That might be good to keep doing.

Ride reports. So I can read them and drool at your pictures. They'll boost traffic.

Back to the top of page 2. This is apparently quite dynamic.

What exact term are you querying with?

Anyway, if the G-men pay such close attention to G-plus pluses, then perhaps we should also make sure that all of our relevant videos uploaded to their other site have a a reference and link to the forums. :thumbup:

I just did a bunch of mine and I'm working on more. :)

Edit: WOW! I don't know if it is or isn't affecting search results but only an hour after I made a pointer to this forum a new user signed up and messaged me about my friend's strange electrical problem on Youtube (pregen engine would rev when the brake was used). It does drive traffic here. :)

What exact term are you querying with?

"ninja 300 forum"

Last night we were back in the top ten, but now are down to the top of the second page. It will continue to be dynamic.

Anyway, if the G-men pay such close attention to G-plus pluses, then perhaps we should also make sure that all of our relevant videos uploaded to their other site have a a reference and link to the forums. :thumbup:

I just did a bunch of mine and I'm working on more. :)

Edit: WOW! I don't know if it is or isn't affecting search results but only an hour after I made a pointer to this forum a new user signed up and messaged me about my friend's strange electrical problem on Youtube (pregen engine would rev when the brake was used). It does drive traffic here. :)

:thumbup:

In good shape at this point. :thumbup:

We show up as 2nd on the internet for searches on "ninja 250 forum", and 4th on the internet for "ninja 300 forum".

https://www.ninjette.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=840&pictureid=11482

:)

Don't forget google search results are location dependent.

Here Ninja 300 forum is fifth and Ninja 250 first.

Don't forget google search results are location dependent.

Here Ninja 300 forum is fifth and Ninja 250 first.

You need to get some buddies with 300s on the site. ;) Do they sell the 300 there?

You need to get some buddies with 300s on the site. ;) Do they sell the 300 there?

They don't stock them, but anything you can get in Europe I can get shipped here, and cheaper as we don't pay any sales tax, cheaper :D

I can't see them being popular here as they are too big to take your Compulsary Basic Training CBT on.

Compulsary Basic Training CBT

:confused: :confused20: :idunno:

:confused: :confused20: :idunno:

Before you're allowed to ride here you have to take a two day training course, this includes pretty much everything, first day is on an obstacle course, weaving between cones, riding in tight figures of eights, turn signal procedures, road positioning, overtaking then the second day you do a road ride including every trafic situation and you have a helmet intercom with your instructor, then you are certified to learn on the roads for a year before taking your tests.

250 is the biggest you can use due to historically in the 70's 250 two strokes were the default getabout for young riders, if you can't take it on a 300 and have to borrow another bike you may as well buy a 650 as they are not much more and take the CBT on a smaller bike.

Ninjette, ninja 300, boredom, google has spiders? For real? I'm goin to bing


Alex, I noticed that you made another ride report thread yesterday. That might be good to keep doing.

Ride reports. So I can read them and drool at your pictures. They'll boost traffic.

Where's your more pics for the drooling and ride reporting an such 😛