View Full Version : Group Ninjette Ride & Crash :-(


Alex
May 13th, 2009, 05:33 PM
Looks like a bunch of 250's riding in Arizona. A new-gen Red one has a crash right at the end of the video. The crash bike is the one directly in front of the camera bike in the last half of the video.

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IMO the ending was telegraphed pretty clearly throughout the vid, he was riding way over his abilities. Not that he was going particularly fast, but his lines were terrible and he seemed to not be in control of steering the bike where he wanted it to go; limited knowledge/experience in countersteering, from what I can tell. The crash is right around the 7:50 minute mark, and you can see how he just doesn't turn into the left bend to follow the road, panics and runs off the road with the front brake on quite hard, and the bike immediately hits the ground. Thankfully it looks like he didn't have any life-threatening injuries, but may have banged up his leg pretty well, and damage to the bike is significant.

Snake
May 13th, 2009, 06:27 PM
Notice most of the riders were not waeing much protection from the waist down. The girl had red sneakers.

bob706
May 13th, 2009, 06:33 PM
Ouch! Were all his corners wrong if not most? It seemed also that he was sliding his butt off the seat more than leaning the bike over in the turns. Hope he was alright.

islanderman7
May 13th, 2009, 08:52 PM
For the kind of speed he was doing, there was no need for him to be sliding his butt off the seat like that. The part where he crashed, it looks like he "target fixated" at the rock and just grabbed a lot of brake because he couldn't go left. He needed to look through the turns.

Viper-Byte
May 14th, 2009, 12:22 AM
There is no need to be sliding off that much around those corners at that speed. It really seems as though he had not heard of counter steering and seems as though he object fixated on the crash corner. I have caught myself doing this a few times, but I am training myself not to.

bogdanb
May 14th, 2009, 04:24 AM
There is no need to be sliding off that much around those corners at that speed. It really seems as though he had not heard of counter steering and seems as though he object fixated on the crash corner. I have caught myself doing this a few times, but I am training myself not to.

As far as I can remember this guy is a forum member, and I red about the accident in the forum.

Alex
May 14th, 2009, 05:40 AM
People know him on ninja250.org, but AFAIK we haven't met him on this site yet, but he's certainly welcome to sign up. :thumbup:

Cali619
May 14th, 2009, 06:52 AM
Gear or not, thats just to bad , group riding can put pressure sometimes to not break up the pack. I like riding at my own pace and not worrying about being to slow so I stay back. Hope the guy is OK

bogdanb
May 14th, 2009, 07:49 AM
Gear or not, thats just to bad , group riding can put pressure sometimes to not break up the pack. I like riding at my own pace and not worrying about being to slow so I stay back. Hope the guy is OK

Me too, but being part of a group has the advantage to relay on a friends who could help in need. So , I think it's better to ride in a group in a long distance trips.

BlueTyke
May 14th, 2009, 09:08 AM
Gear or not, thats just to bad , group riding can put pressure sometimes to not break up the pack. I like riding at my own pace and not worrying about being to slow so I stay back. Hope the guy is OK

In EVERY group I have EVER riden with it was always okay to wave a a rider by. *With the exception of the Sweep* Never has ANY sweep I have ever ridden with told me I was riding to slowly. I have never felt pressured to go faster than what I felt comfortable. Perhaps it is just the groups I have ridden with. :confused20:

If the group is a good one they stop at all major turns (as a group or at least the rider in front so you know to turn). So really there is no pressure to ride faster than you feel like riding.

Either way I do hope the guy is okay and his bikes not to beat up! here is to a speedy recovery! :cheers:

Cali619
May 14th, 2009, 09:19 AM
In EVERY group I have EVER riden with it was always okay to wave a a rider by. *With the exception of the Sweep* Never has ANY sweep I have ever ridden with told me I was riding to slowly. I have never felt pressured to go faster than what I felt comfortable. Perhaps it is just the groups I have ridden with. :confused20:

If the group is a good one they stop at all major turns (as a group or at least the rider in front so you know to turn). So really there is no pressure to ride faster than you feel like riding.

Either way I do hope the guy is okay and his bikes not to beat up! here is to a speedy recovery! :cheers:

Thats the same as the groups I ride with, but the person in the video that crashed may have been with different type of group of just was not expecting the pace to be picked up like that. But you not feeling pressured to ride faster is your style, I just mentioned some others may not be the same

capt_bugaloo
May 14th, 2009, 09:21 AM
Yeah, I have done a few group rides and I avoid them now. I want to ride for me, not for others.

zeroth
May 14th, 2009, 09:43 AM
Thats the same as the groups I ride with, but the person in the video that crashed may have been with different type of group of just was not expecting the pace to be picked up like that. But you not feeling pressured to ride faster is your style, I just mentioned some others may not be the same

Yup. It looked like one of "I guess they're rebel's friends" moved up with "z-magic" and they picked up the pace on "reload", who couldn't keep up. Seems like riding with people you actually KNOW, and setting expectations and ground rules and contingencies ahead of time are good ideas!

I almost had an accident like that once. The thing that saved me is that I had just done some parking lot practice on accelerating from and to a stop. I had gotten confident on my bike's ability to stop quickly on a straight, so I straightened out (counter-intuitive in a turn, I know) and squeezed the brake to come almost to a stop. Then I steered into the (now) gradual low-speed turn. (I know I had gotten target-fixated and I shouldn't have, but that takes practice to untrain!)

bogdanb
May 14th, 2009, 11:49 AM
The boy was riding beyond his abilities, thats all.
Hope he is OK ! The bike is on second place.

Snake
May 14th, 2009, 11:51 AM
Lets hope we all can learn from this and not repeat it our group rally's coming up. Lets all be safe and keep eachother safe.

mike_sema
May 14th, 2009, 02:00 PM
the pace seems kinda slow and from the video he over exaggerating the turn and leaning off of his bike just b/c you see something like an ama or super bike race doesn't mean you can do the same thing I feel bad for this guy he should have had more seat time before he tried to got out on a trip like this and you should always ride your own ride weather in a group or not just my 2pennies

thsadmin
May 14th, 2009, 04:11 PM
Yup accidents happen, you have to know your own abilities and knowing the route or road would be an advantage, being a new rider and learner (myself) I would have sat towards the end of the pack and ridden a little slower ... it's better to get there safely than not at all. I am sure the pack would prefer to go a little slower - than not at all.

The dude simply didn't know what was coming in front of him and wasn't prepared.

The jeans offered zero protection ... ouch !!

mike_sema
May 14th, 2009, 04:39 PM
when I see stuff like this it make me think of friends and buddy's that don’t ware very much protection.for me it doesn't matter if I am going to the store work or a long trip I wear all of my gear I also find it funny when I get to work in the morning and some of the people are kind laughing at me when I pull off my icon field armor knee pads

thsadmin
May 14th, 2009, 04:48 PM
laughing at me when I pull off my icon field armor knee pads

They wouldn't be laughing if they knew you were a Ninja and could kick all their asses at the same time ... I like the Icon Pads and Armor - I am also investing in the Fox body Armor ... I reckon it looks awesome and can't wait to ride in it all ...

jonb08
May 14th, 2009, 05:08 PM
Yep. I now wear all leather. It seamed as though he wasn't used to leaning the bike over. Take a look at his body positioning and you can see that he is sliding his butt off the seat but his shoulder and head are not going with it it. In fact he looks pretty twisted up. He was also duck footed on his pegs.

SteveL
May 15th, 2009, 12:58 AM
The thing that is most surprising to me is that no one offered first aid just looked at his knee and thought oh s****


Steve

komohana
May 15th, 2009, 02:14 AM
my wife and i sat and watched the vid...and she saw it right away...
"what is that guy doing?"...she doesnt pilot, but she's my fully qualified RIO...
anyway too much movement and not enough steering...heck looks like he rode the bike right off the road.
i LOVE the ninja because it is so effortless to manuver. when i test rode my bike before buying, i initiated a 45 deg. corner and shifted in the seat to set up the turn, and actually upset the bike doing so...i was like WHOA...then oh YEAH!..is gonna be fun piloting this machine.

all form, and no function will formulate disfunctional manuvering skills..

pop quiz tomorrow!

Lurkable
May 15th, 2009, 03:46 AM
Yeah looks like he didn't anticipate that left turn and was afraid to just lean into it. Thanks for sharing, Alex. I've never been on a group ride and this is something to learn from. :thumbup:

Buffalony
May 15th, 2009, 04:14 AM
Its possible he didnt know the road there.

What I got from the vid is it seems like the switch snook up on him. looked like he realized it last second, then thought about straightening up but noticed his line now aimed at a pile of big rocks topped by a small tree, so he trys the turn but it was too late. Tires touched the loose stuff. imo

Personally I'm scared of the left side of the bike. The idea of the stand touching doesnt sit well with me.

Also maybe we should attempt to address rider pressure in person before our group ride next month Sunny. I've never riden with a large group so I hadnt thought about it even being a possibility until now.

jonb08
May 15th, 2009, 06:21 AM
Personally I'm scared of the left side of the bike. The idea of the stand touching doesnt sit well with me.

You would have to lean the bike well over to touch the stand and your peg feelers will hit before your stand does. You could also just take the centerstand off.

mike_sema
May 15th, 2009, 06:41 AM
The thing that is most surprising to me is that no one offered first aid just looked at his knee and thought oh s****


Steve

most people just panic in this kind of situation and have no real training in 1st aid that was evident when they all jus stood their and one guy just wanted to take a look at it they backed off after he saw it

Snake
May 15th, 2009, 06:44 AM
Thanks for cell phones in these types of situations.

Buffalony
May 15th, 2009, 10:15 AM
Thanks for cell phones in these types of situations.

+1


It was shocking to see the girl at the end with a sleeveless shirt and sneaks on :eek:
I wonder if she had a jacket.


I dont have a center stand:D

00v_Lucky
May 15th, 2009, 06:00 PM
i think he was trying to vision himself being rossi lol.

Nickds7
May 16th, 2009, 02:17 AM
The leg part makes me glad I wear leg protection, and that I was wearing the leg protection when I last fell. I can definitely see some stress marks in the textile, jeans wouldn't have come close to that.

I'm sure it sucks, hope he has collision coverage.

SteveL
May 16th, 2009, 02:35 AM
most people just panic in this kind of situation and have no real training in 1st aid that was evident when they all jus stood their and one guy just wanted to take a look at it they backed off after he saw it

After seeing that I have to admit to feeling ashamed that as an Ex Boys Scouts of America Scout Master to not carrying a first aid kit when I am on the bike.
There is no excuse for not knowing first aid.

Steve

mike_sema
May 16th, 2009, 07:11 AM
After seeing that I have to admit to feeling ashamed that as an Ex Boys Scouts of America Scout Master to not carrying a first aid kit when I am on the bike.
There is no excuse for not knowing first aid.

Steve

mini 1st aid kit not a bad idea :D

IlBLisSlI
May 16th, 2009, 08:41 AM
For the kind of speed he was doing, there was no need for him to be sliding his butt off the seat like that. The part where he crashed, it looks like he "target fixated" at the rock and just grabbed a lot of brake because he couldn't go left. He needed to look through the turns.

After seeing that I have to admit to feeling ashamed that as an Ex Boys Scouts of America Scout Master to not carrying a first aid kit when I am on the bike.
There is no excuse for not knowing first aid.

Steve


i read all the replies before i watched the video and holy cow are you guys right. its almost comical to see how far he was sliding off the bike and trying to be valentino rossi in 10 degree turns at like 30mph. this is definitely a good example of why everyone should take MSF classes as well as a track day or two with an instructor before going on group rides. i'm not trying to make fun of anyone but i definitely think its important to ride your own ride and not be embarrassed to take it slow and in your comfort zone if you are new to riding.

as far as the first aid kit thing. i agree, it sure is a good idea to carry one with you. I carry a first aid kit, flash light and a couple of basic tools in my tank bag. never hurts to be prepared :)

komohana
May 16th, 2009, 09:21 AM
as morbid as it may sound, i've learned through experience that one must be ready to expect the unexpected. prior to the next time you pull out of that parking lot with the company of good buddies, friends of friends, or fellow riders you've never met, plant some worst case senario's into your noggin and ask yourself if you'd be prepared for that incident. what would you do? are you prepared for emergencies? how will you react when mere seconds matter?
review your skill level, and be prepared to eat some ego and remain within your riding envelope even if they've had to pull over to wait for you AGAIN.

granted, we can't be prepared for EVERYTHING...

but just abit of fore-thought can make you either one of those fellows who just stood around that fallen rider, or that one individual who tended to him instead.

Alex
May 16th, 2009, 09:43 AM
A decent reference for accident management is posted into this sticky thread (http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=13593) at the top of the General forum. I keep a copy in my tankbag.

Cali619
May 27th, 2009, 01:58 PM
I found the vlog of the rider that crashed and looks like target fixation after a blind curve to a hard left.

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bob706
May 27th, 2009, 02:37 PM
The slo-mo at the end was interesting. It seemed like he started the turn alright and then locked on to the gravel. Then when the camera gets a shot of his knee - :eek:

Snake
May 27th, 2009, 02:47 PM
He goes on to say that his tires have not been brocken in yet and he should probably be taking it a little easy. I guess he should have tacken his own advice.

Cali619
May 27th, 2009, 02:49 PM
worse part is that he rode all the way to Pheonix from orange county and bike got totalled. At lease he seems in ok shape since he posted vids of his accident. Hope sometimesIdo is having a safe and fun journey without this kind of mishap, cant wait to see his vlog.

tiburonsita
May 27th, 2009, 03:21 PM
ugh, that sucks. Looks like his bike went right where he was looking. Maybe a little too distracted with entertaining the video.
Glad he's still with us. Hope he has a speedy recovery.

Broom
May 27th, 2009, 03:45 PM
more education would have prevented this... that goes for most issues.

trust your bike, look where you want to go, and make that turn! it'll do way more than you think it will if you can keep your inputs from screwing it up.

smcbride11
May 27th, 2009, 06:41 PM
ugh, that sucks. Looks like his bike went right where he was looking. Maybe a little too distracted with entertaining the video.

Seems that way to me... Plus, at 1:03 he rides right over a steel grate that was plenty avoidable and then some sand at 2:47... Isn't that a cardinal sin (not to mention a decent indicator of things to come)?

Alex
May 27th, 2009, 08:34 PM
Plus, at 1:03 he rides right over a steel grate that was plenty avoidable and then some sand at 2:47... Isn't that a cardinal sin (not to mention a decent indicator of things to come)?

I don't mind either of those things. He was going quite slowly over both. In the first case he was on the right side of the lane while his buddy was on the left (in front though, in staggered formation). The grate wasn't a large enough obstacle to warrant a swerve. I saw a small bit of sand at 2:47, but it was minor and the corner speed was so slow that it shouldn't upset anything, and it didn't. Sand and gravel don't mean instant crashing, but sometimes an overreaction to them (swerving and/or braking) can put people on the ground unnecessarily. If lean angles aren't too great and speeds aren't too high, just rolling over them with everything relaxed is almost always a non-event. Now oil or black ice are a whole different story, and need to be treated with a whole different level of care.

smcbride11
May 27th, 2009, 09:03 PM
In the first case he was on the right side of the lane while his buddy was on the left (in front though, in staggered formation). The grate wasn't a large enough obstacle to warrant a swerve..

Touche. I didn't think about the fact that there was likely someone behind him on the left (and we know there was, because he's the original cameraman).

I've just got an unnatural fear of those steel plates ever since one fell in while I was driving over it years ago... Luckily 3 wheels on the ground meant that it was no big deal.

Buffalony
May 30th, 2009, 07:55 AM
Now oil or black ice are a whole different story, and need to be treated with a whole different level of care.

F-ing +1 $650 later :D


He couldve executed that turn.. well the ninjette couldve.

I cant get over all of that seat sliding while Vblogging. He was focused more on making a video than operating a motor vehicle yet hes portraying an agressive rider.
I hope this concept doesnt make it to the DOT. Next they'll be trying to ban video recording while operating a motor vehicle.

paterick4o8
May 30th, 2009, 09:46 AM
AHAHAHA damn. Idk what to say on this. IMO it's nice to see a little humor as he plays sad music at the end of his vid.

I think they/he should:
1) not record videos and talk to themselves and the camera while they ride
2) learn to look ahead
3) learn how to ride with better lines.. he was on the way outside of the previous turn before he crashed on the next turn.. he had no road to ride the counter turn once it came up
4) wear full gear, all of them

in all honestly, this reminds me of when I first crashed, almost similar to mine minus the video taking and talking. you live and learn

NINJETTE09
May 30th, 2009, 10:03 PM
seeing this video today cuz same thing happened to me today on sunrise hwy/hwy 79 on our last 15 mph twisty tight left turn (my 1st crash and hopefully the last)......here's what I did wrong:

1. Took the turn at 35 mph since I did it in the first 3, 15 mph tight turn and did just fine, except this time, I took my eyes off the double yellow line (which I usually use as my basis when I'm cornering to my left so I stay on course while leaning).....I don't do what the guy in the video do like hanging by butt off the bike....I lean with the bike and my head is pointed towards where I'm going....hanging the butt off the bike is unnecessary for the speed and lean he was doing....I can lean the bike just with me leaning with it....

2. I got distracted by oncoming cars and I took my eyes off my target...

3. went a little wide and hit some gravel, tried to save it but hit a big sized rock and me and red went wobbling and low-sided...

4. Just wearing a pair of jeans so I have a big road rash on my knee and few bruises and swollen lower left leg....and I even went looking for a pair of leather pants with knee protections yesterday...but the store didn't have my size....what a coincidence this happened to me today....."premonition"?

WHAT I DID RIGHT:
1. I had on motorcycle textile jacket with elbow, shoulder, and back protectors.
2. I had on motorcycle over the ankle boots.....my ankle probably wouldve been scraped off too if not for the boots I was wearing....
3. I was riding my ride and didn't try to keep up with my group and just rode the twisties the way I've been comfortable with....
4. we stopped at the next store we saw and grabbed some peroxide, band-aide, sports wrap and neosporin...my friends cleaned up my knee and pour some peroxide and covered it up....OUCH.....that was painful....:(

TARGET FIXATION is really important when cornering....I somehow get distracted a lot when I'm cornering to my left.....Cornering to my right is easy for me cause I always use the white line as a basis going to my right and it never failed me and I can lean red with ease even on a blind right corner....

Well I'm ok...I didn't hit anything from my upper thigh and up...no scratches on my helmet or jacket...my next investment is on some good leather pants with knee and hip protection......
And I need to check myself since I've been riding tight twisties and I get more and more comfortable everytime and leaning lower and going faster cornering even on blind corners.....I'm starting to get complacent and that's a big no-no for a newb like me......we learn from our mistakes...
I still rode red for next 2-3 hours after I went down....red needs some body work....ordered new gearshifter..mine was bent over backwards and few riders at the scene put it back in place but it's hard to shift it now...

Buffalony
May 31st, 2009, 07:48 AM
Glad to hear your ok Alex. Its good youve gone over it pretty well in ur head. Pat pretty much summed it up "Live and Learn". I bet you were much more focused on turns after you went down :) Sorry about lil' Red. What kinda jacket were you wearing?
Welcome to the forums.

NINJETTE09
May 31st, 2009, 08:52 AM
Glad to hear your ok Alex. Its good youve gone over it pretty well in ur head. Pat pretty much summed it up "Live and Learn". I bet you were much more focused on turns after you went down :) Sorry about lil' Red. What kinda jacket were you wearing?
Welcome to the forums.

I was wearing Scorpion black dahlia shown in the pic below......

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=158&pictureid=1625

NINJETTE09
May 31st, 2009, 08:54 AM
I was wearing Scorpion black dahlia shown in the pic below......

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=158&pictureid=1625

That pic was from yesterday few hours before I went down.

Cali619
June 1st, 2009, 10:57 AM
Thats a nice pic , I was thinking to hit the 94 but was gloomy and drizzling, looks like it was sunny more inland. You will heal fast and be on red again soon, Ill try and keep up with you on Hiryu :)

NINJETTE09
June 1st, 2009, 01:27 PM
Thats a nice pic , I was thinking to hit the 94 but was gloomy and drizzling, looks like it was sunny more inland. You will heal fast and be on red again soon, Ill try and keep up with you on Hiryu :)

It was actually nice and sunny up in the canyons...I found out exactly where I went down---Cuyamaca.....well, hopefully we all get to ride together once my knee heals....there's another girl on meetup group (Karen) who's new and wants to start riding with 250 riders in SD...she said she doesn't want to do corners yet....which is fine for me...I need a break from twisties after my spill...

Cali619
June 1st, 2009, 01:31 PM
It was actually nice and sunny up in the canyons...I found out exactly where I went down---Cuyamaca.....well, hopefully we all get to ride together once my knee heals....there's another girl on meetup group (Karen) who's new and wants to start riding with 250 riders in SD...she said she doesn't want to do corners yet....which is fine for me...I need a break from twisties after my spill...

You will be fiending to ride soon muhahahah, Im gonna try and organize a ride with Karen and let her pace it and try some easier routes.

Buffalony
June 2nd, 2009, 05:49 AM
It was actually nice and sunny up in the canyons...I found out exactly where I went down---Cuyamaca.....well, hopefully we all get to ride together once my knee heals....there's another girl on meetup group (Karen) who's new and wants to start riding with 250 riders in SD...she said she doesn't want to do corners yet....which is fine for me...I need a break from twisties after my spill...

u a girl?

g21-30
June 12th, 2009, 05:15 AM
cbnYGgI39xQ

NINJETTE09
June 12th, 2009, 05:52 AM
u a girl?

yes I'm a girl named Alex.....:D;)

tinng321
June 18th, 2009, 07:49 PM
question on body postioning.
when you lean are you supposed to keep your butt on the bike or off the bike? i've been watching videos on body positioning on youtube and from what I understand you need to slide your butt off the seat, lower your shoulder, elbow and head and look in the direction you're turning. is this right? can someone educate me on this?
thanks,
tin

tinng321
June 18th, 2009, 07:52 PM
someone on here should make a video on body positioning, cornering and braking so we (newbies) don't make the same mistake.

tinng321
June 18th, 2009, 07:56 PM
cbnYGgI39xQ

great video.
short but a lot of usefule info.

coffeecandy
July 7th, 2009, 02:45 PM
I'm glad the guy is alright!

I started ROFL my ass off when that person with the mechanix gloves came helping in the vid.

Snake
July 7th, 2009, 02:53 PM
great video.
short but a lot of usefule info.

That looks like a very useful book to buy.

Nickds7
July 8th, 2009, 01:08 AM
I found the vlog of the rider that crashed and looks like target fixation after a blind curve to a hard left.

ij8FLJpoPD8

If you click the link to the next video (showing the after part where everyone comes to help) Looks like they are a super prepared group of riders in jeans and shirts. I know if I hadn't been wearing all my gear I would have a broken shoulder and enough rash to send me to the hospital. I'm sure he learned.

Ken
July 9th, 2009, 02:29 PM
I found the vlog of the rider that crashed and looks like target fixation after a blind curve to a hard left.

ij8FLJpoPD8

Other than itsreload's riding skills (or lack thereof), the biggest problem I see in this video is the rider being distracted by himself. Right before he went down he was still talking to himself. It didn't look like he even realized he was going down because he didn't panic prior. Watch from 4:40 on.

Trying to be cute and narrating his video while riding = :thumbsdown:

You need to be concentrating while riding, not trying to be interesting/funny or thinking about stuff other than riding.

wayanlam
July 9th, 2009, 08:11 PM
rather ironic how the first V-log mentioned how much dirt was on the side of the road and how ugly it would be to come off around there~ just minutes before the other guy came off the bike.

and then the dood that fell, as others mentioned already did way too much butt sliding :confused: it kinda looked goofy cos they weren't even going that fast, well at least it didn't seem like they were... couldn't have been much over 60~80 Kmh imo. another ironic comment was how he said that it was so hot, and he was impressed that the two guys in front of him were wearing a full suit, it would have saved him that nasty gash on the knee... hope it didn't cause lasting injuries.

this is always something i fear when i get into a tight situation, but over here its usually the insane traffic that is the dangerous part, not beautiful winding country roads. i would love to have a road like that to ride on the week ends, etc.

oh, and that guy with the GSXR 1000 was probably really glad he didn't swap bikes at the gas station :rolleyes: i would be furious if someone trashed my bike, and on the other hand, i would feel terrible if i crashed a friends bike!

tjkamper
July 12th, 2009, 06:04 AM
Looks like he didn't even see that left turn comming. Plus. I have no Idea why he was hanging so far of the bike in every turn. Looked like a total noob wishing he were on a track. his bike was mostly upright the entire time. he hardly ever leaned it. Maybe if he had been looking through the turns he could have done better.

cmac
July 29th, 2009, 02:26 AM
Check out "rebelyell91" and "zmagic97" on youtube. They are vloggers who both ride 250s

Anthony_marr
August 16th, 2009, 03:11 AM
Referring to the first vid:

It looks like a simple case of ignorance in counter-steering. I don't think he uses counter steering at all. He was shifting his weight not to decrease the lean as per racing, but to facilitate and increase it. Basically, he was using his weight to lean the bike with, not counter-steering, and he could do it only so much. The curve was simply too sharp for that speed without counter-steering. I don't think it was target fixation. He simply could not achieve the lean required to make that curve.

And if he could not make that curve with a Ninja 250 weighing 330 lb, it would be worse for a heavier bike. Were he on a 550 lb Harley, using only body-weigh transfer and without counter steering, he would hardly be able to lean the bike at all at any speed higher than a crawl, where the gyro effect would tend to keep the bike upright and going straight. In a group ride on twisties dictating a speed he cannot handle, he is bound to crash at the first half-decent curve. Therefore, I am willing to wager that this was his first ever group ride on any route curvier than a straight road.

IMHO, there is no technique in motorcycle riding more important than counter-steering.

Cedilla
August 17th, 2009, 08:46 PM
^Thats true, what I think is the most disturbing, is just how many riders are out there that are completely unaware of countersteering.

Buffalony
August 26th, 2009, 01:13 AM
Referring to the first vid:

It looks like a simple case of ignorance in counter-steering. I don't think he uses counter steering at all. He was shifting his weight not to decrease the lean as per racing, but to facilitate and increase it. Basically, he was using his weight to lean the bike with, not counter-steering, and he could do it only so much. The curve was simply too sharp for that speed without counter-steering. I don't think it was target fixation. He simply could not achieve the lean required to make that curve.

And if he could not make that curve with a Ninja 250 weighing 330 lb, it would be worse for a heavier bike. Were he on a 550 lb Harley, using only body-weigh transfer and without counter steering, he would hardly be able to lean the bike at all at any speed higher than a crawl, where the gyro effect would tend to keep the bike upright and going straight. In a group ride on twisties dictating a speed he cannot handle, he is bound to crash at the first half-decent curve. Therefore, I am willing to wager that this was his first ever group ride on any route curvier than a straight road.

IMHO, there is no technique in motorcycle riding more important than counter-steering.

^Thats true, what I think is the most disturbing, is just how many riders are out there that are completely unaware of countersteering.

Wow. I think your right. I believe there is (an I often forget) a small portion of riders that counter steering doesnt come naturally to. Not bragging or anything but I had a hard time understanding why they were teaching it at my MSF course, because it was something already natural to me that I just understood....anyone understand were I'm coming from? And now that you metion it it really does make sense that this guy was trying to turn his bars left while trying to turn left while putting weight on the right peg. He was basically using very slow speed handling technique at a much higher speed....must have spent to much time in a parking lot practicing...:D

cifex
August 26th, 2009, 07:27 AM
I know what you mean Buffalony. I didn't know what they were talking about at first either. I pictured the front wheel of the motorcycle moving sideways along its axis or something. They never say that it is just how you "INITIATE" the turn. Anyone who grew who riding a bicycle know that. Who knew it needed a name?

rmorse
June 12th, 2012, 07:34 AM
OMG, look how cheap gas is!!!!

menikmati
June 12th, 2012, 09:19 AM
Thread necrrrrrroooooo.

Youtube vlogger itsreload (the guy who crashed in the first video) now rides an R6.

Kevin2109
June 12th, 2012, 09:59 PM
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/9426/17ilol.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/6/17ilol.jpg/)

lamchops
June 13th, 2012, 03:28 AM
AHAHAHA damn. Idk what to say on this. IMO it's nice to see a little humor as he plays sad music at the end of his vid.

Haha YES. I appreciated that bit too.

Then when the camera gets a shot of his knee - :eek:


OMG, look how cheap gas is!!!!
Yes. That would be what you'd notice from this thread... :p

Stingray1000
June 13th, 2012, 09:10 AM
OMG 5:38 looks sooo painful check his knee out start at 5:37

akima
June 14th, 2012, 10:25 AM
Kevin2109: that hedgehog is adorable!