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ninjaadmin
August 29th, 2008, 09:52 PM
Figured if I was in this for the long haul, it made sense to have a decent collection of ninjette and ninja250 domains all bringing folks back to ninjette.org. So if any of the below catch your fancy, give 'em a shot and they should all bring you right back here...

www.kawasakininja250.org (http://www.kawasakininja250.org)
www.kawasakininja250forum.com (http://www.kawasakininja250forum.com)
www.kawininja250.com (http://www.kawininja250.com)
www.kawininjette.com (http://www.kawininjette.com)
www.mybabyninja.com (http://www.mybabyninja.com)
www.myninja250.com (http://www.myninja250.com)
www.myninja250.net (http://www.myninja250.net)
www.myninja250.org (http://www.myninja250.org)
www.myninjette.com (http://www.myninjette.com)
www.myninjette.net (http://www.myninjette.net)
www.myninjette.org (http://www.myninjette.org)
www.ninjette.net (http://www.ninjette.net)
www.ninjette.org (http://www.ninjette.org) <--- Primary Domain
www.ninjette250.com (http://www.ninjette250.com)
www.ninjette250.net (http://www.ninjette250.net)
www.ninjette250.org (http://www.ninjette250.org)
www.ninjette250r.com (http://www.ninjette250r.com)
www.ninjette250r.net (http://www.ninjette250r.net)
www.ninjette250r.org (http://www.ninjette250r.org)
www.theninjette.com (http://www.theninjette.com)
www.theninjette.net (http://www.theninjette.net)
www.theninjette.org (http://www.theninjette.org)

If I've forgotten any other obvious ones, let me know and I'll try and grab them for this site as well, but some of the ones that come to mind have been snapped up by other kawasaki forums or by domain speculators.

ninjaadmin
August 30th, 2008, 03:46 PM
BTW -

If anyone wants a Ninjette-related email address (anything (at) ninjette.org), or any of the other domains above, just let me know and I can set one up for you immediately (for free). It would be a forwarding account that would immediately push any incoming mail to whichever "real" email account you're using now.

sprale
December 9th, 2008, 11:40 AM
Did you get a volume discount? :eek: Cheap little Japanese bike domains on sale? :D

Alex
December 9th, 2008, 11:42 AM
:rotflmao:

TheDuck
January 7th, 2009, 08:55 PM
Figured if I was in this for the long haul, it made sense to have a decent collection of ninjette and ninja250 domains all bringing folks back to ninjette.org. So if any of the below catch your fancy, give 'em a shot and they should all bring you right back here...

Have you considered using those alternate domains as aliases instead of redirects? That way it can always say ANY of those domains in the URL of my addressbar based on the one that I choose.

If not, redirects are good! :)

It doesn't really matter, but some people don't like Ninjette. But I say piss on them, its your name, its your site, have it YOUR way! :)

Alex
January 7th, 2009, 11:09 PM
Duck -

I actually first configured them all as aliases, then changed them to redirects. Either way it's just a click, so it's no trouble either way.

The problem with aliases is that the login cookies are tied to the URL. So if someone logs in at ninjette.org, then they come in at ninjette.net, or kawininja250.com, they will not be logged in and will have to re-login. Perhaps that's not much of an issue, if someone finds one main URL they like, they'd probably keep using that one anyhow, and the cookie would stay with them.

With redirects, everyone gets pushed to the same URL so the cookies are guaranteed to work each time. Which means way fewer password resets as people try and remember whichever password they used when they first signed up.

No skin off my nose either way, so maybe I'll change 'em back for awhile and see how that goes next time I'm logged in to my domain accounts.

Alex
January 7th, 2009, 11:54 PM
k - changes in process. These other domains might not work correctly for a short time tonight. (ninjette.org will continue to work throughout) I'll post up again when the aliases appear to be functional.

Ananda
January 7th, 2009, 11:57 PM
mybabyninja.com = too cute! <3

Cling
January 7th, 2009, 11:59 PM
Wow, how the heck did you do that...

Alex
January 8th, 2009, 12:17 AM
k - some of them are up and running already, the rest will become functional over time as the dns updates spread.

I'm finding that I was lazy in some of my coding, and I hardcoded ninjette.org into a number of links, instead of using relative URLs. This will actually help me find those. If you do go to the http://www.ninjette250.com link, you can see this if you mouse over the "Portal Page" and "Forums" link in the menubar. Should say ninjette250.com at that point (just like the User CP and some of the other links), but it incorrectly says ninjette.org. All of this is just cosmetic anyway, as all the domains are pointing to the same files/database at the end of the process.

Alex
January 8th, 2009, 01:09 AM
All domains are now fully up and running as aliases, and all of the obvious hardcoded ninjette.org urls have been changed to relative urls, though a few need to remain due to some vbulletin quirks. People are free to use any of the domains listed in the first post to get to this website (including www.mybabyninja.com, Ananda! :D). Let me know if things don't behave as expected...

TheDuck
January 8th, 2009, 08:05 AM
All domains are now fully up and running as aliases, and all of the obvious hardcoded ninjette.org urls have been changed to relative urls, though a few need to remain due to some vbulletin quirks. People are free to use any of the domains listed in the first post to get to this website (including www.mybabyninja.com , Ananda! :D). Let me know if things don't behave as expected...


Seems to be workin! Now you gotta reprogram it to recognize the domain in the URL so it changes this:

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/images/custom_images/ninjettelogo.png

LoL. I'm giving you all types of homework. :)

Alex
January 8th, 2009, 10:33 AM
:) Nope, that logo is going to stay put no matter which vanity domain people prefer. :thumbup:

TheDuck
January 8th, 2009, 10:52 AM
:) Nope, that logo is going to stay put no matter which vanity domain people prefer. :thumbup:

LoL if you want, I could program you a widget for it ;)

Alex
January 8th, 2009, 11:34 AM
Give it a shot! I'd be happy to try it out if you get something working. Needs to be straight HTML/javascript/AJAX; no java or .NET calls.

One intractable problem though is the title bar label, though, that can only be one label that goes along with the vbulletin installation; there is no way I can think of for it to change depending on the domain.

TheDuck
January 8th, 2009, 11:54 AM
Give it a shot! I'd be happy to try it out if you get something working. Needs to be straight HTML/javascript/AJAX; no java or .NET calls.

One intractable problem though is the title bar label, though, that can only be one label that goes along with the vbulletin installation; there is no way I can think of for it to change depending on the domain.

Ick! No .NET or java anything programmed here! LOL.

I do straight PHP. I'd probably have to slightly modify the VBulletin code and call on GD or Imagemagick on the server to CREATE the image. :)

That would also make it so dynamic that if you added another domain, the code wouldn't have to be modified, the new image would jsut be created on the fly! :D

Its nice when programming just works, thats why I don't do .NET or Java, lol.

sprale
January 8th, 2009, 08:24 PM
LoL if you want, I could program you a widget for it ;)

Widgets? Get back to work on that Frankenbike!

k - changes in process. These other domains might not work correctly for a short time tonight. (ninjette.org will continue to work throughout) I'll post up again when the aliases appear to be functional.

I think I prefer the redirects to ninjette.org, mostly because of the authentication cache issue. I'd rather log in once and forget about that part. I use Firefox and Sxipper, so log-ins are minimal anymore :thumbup:

TheDuck
January 8th, 2009, 08:39 PM
Widgets? Get back to work on that Frankenbike!

You and everyone else on every forum that I participate on says that to me any time I respond to anything unrelated to the Honzuki.

Alex
January 8th, 2009, 11:16 PM
I think I prefer the redirects to ninjette.org, mostly because of the authentication cache issue. I'd rather log in once and forget about that part. I use Firefox and Sxipper, so log-ins are minimal anymore :thumbup:

Too late! Duckman got his request, where were you yesterday? :D

Anyway, shouldn't be much of an issue as far as I can tell, doesn't change a darned thing about ninjette.org users. Only matters if someone was using one of the vanity domains ahead of time, and then they were pushed to ninjette.org anyway. Worst case, they continue to use the vanity domain, and they have to log in once which will save a new cookie for them for that domain (they will still have the ninjette.org cookie as well if they ever come back to that domain).

TheDuck
January 8th, 2009, 11:46 PM
Too late! Duckman got his request, where were you yesterday? :D

LOL. It wasn't really a request so much as a question. ;)

Also http://www.ninjette.org and http://ninjette.org require seperate login sessions too. Those I generally set up in .htaccess or httpd.conf to force a redirect to the WWW domain. You can even plug it into the PHP code of this forum if you felt so ambitous.

The only reason I say these things is because my customers whine about them. Most web customers don't know what they want, until they see what they DON'T WANT. I can generally stop the whining before it starts by setting a few of these things up in the beginning. :D

Alex
January 8th, 2009, 11:55 PM
I was going to work on that, actually. It's funkier than you described. If you clear all your cookies, then log in to www.ninjette.org, if you go to ninjette.org afterwards, your login cookie will work (on IE, at least). if you do it at ninjette.org first, if you go to www.ninjette.org, it will require you to login again.

Some of it is vBulletin weirdness rather than standard domain/subdomain weirdness, but it all will get ironed out at some point. Will likely push everything to the www. for consistency.

TheDuck
January 9th, 2009, 12:14 AM
Will likely push everything to the www. for consistency.

Thats usually the best and easiest! :thumbup:

Alex
January 9th, 2009, 12:17 AM
Alright, troublemaker, all domains are now pushed to the full www URL. :D

(thanks for the tips, and keep 'em coming!)

Folks who were using ninjette.org (http://ninjette.org) instead of www.ninjette.org may see a login prompt (though many may not), but it's just a one-time thing and won't happen again...

TheDuck
January 9th, 2009, 07:52 AM
Alright, troublemaker, all domains are now pushed to the full www URL. :D

(thanks for the tips, and keep 'em coming!)

Folks who were using ninjette.org (http://ninjette.org) instead of www.ninjette.org may see a login prompt (though many may not), but it's just a one-time thing and won't happen again...

Uh oh, its not seeming to work right, attempt to follow this link to view this thread:

http://ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?p=17648#post17648

The URL doesn't get rewritten and doesn't append the WWW.

I do get redirected if I go directly to http://ninjette.org/ though.

What method are you using?

I see the server is using Apache, I prefer mod_rewrite in that case. You could put this in your .htaccess file in your webroot.

RewriteEngine On
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^ninjette\.org [NC]
RewriteRule ^/(.*) "http://www.ninjette.org/$1" [L,R]

Alex
January 9th, 2009, 09:36 AM
You're right, http://ninjette.org works, but http://ninjette.org/forums doesn't. (they both still bring up the pages that you'd expect, but the forced www isn't appearing). Here's the code I was using:

RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^ninjette.org [NC]
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://www.ninjette.org/$1 [L,R=301]

(2 lines for each domain). I'll try it with yours later today, need to get ready for an actual motorcycle ride in a little bit. :D

Alex
January 10th, 2009, 12:42 AM
No luck, Duck. Used your code character for character, and it broke it completely. Neither domain.com or domain.com/forums successfully changed to www.domain.com and www.domain.com/forums. :idunno:

Alex
January 10th, 2009, 02:12 AM
Found some more efficient code, but still has same drawbacks.

RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} !^www\.
RewriteRule (.*) http://www.%{HTTP_HOST}/$1 [R=301,L]

Works automatically for all domains with just those 2 lines; do not need to enumerate all 20 domains. But it still doesn't work for subdirectories, only works for the top level domain.com --> www.domain.com.

TheDuck
January 10th, 2009, 02:47 AM
Well, actually, it is working.

http://ninjette.org/404

Is there an .htaccess in your /forums directory that is overriding the .htaccess in the web root?

Alex
January 10th, 2009, 03:05 AM
I cannot accurately explain how much you rock. :thumbup:

I'm tearing my hair out and searching the web to figure out what weirdness is happening on my particular host, and it was exactly as you described. I do need a htaccess file in the forums directory for other reasons, but now that I know what the issue is, I can likely make it work with both.

Thanks a million, Ducky...

TheDuck
January 10th, 2009, 03:20 AM
Thanks a million, Ducky...

Hehe, I'm a pro! :thumbup:

Now watch me make it do URL rewrites with a 2-stroke motor. ;)

Alex
January 10th, 2009, 03:30 AM
Well if you're still up, here's the last piece of the puzzle. :D

In the /forums directory, I have an htaccess file that has this in it:

RewriteRule ^((urllist|sitemap).*\.(xml|txt)(\.gz)?)$ vbseo_sitemap/vbseo_getsitemap.php?sitemap=$1 [L]

What this does is rewrite the sitemap URL for google/yahoo/etc, so when they come in at:

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/sitemap_index.xml.gz

it gets rewritten behind the scenes to:

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/vbseo_sitemap/vbseo_getsitemap.php?sitemap=$1

Since this in the /forums directory is overwriting the one in the higher directory, I am thinking I just move this rewrite up into that higher htaccess file and I'm all good. but when I put it in the higher one, and change it to:

RewriteRule ^((urllist|sitemap).*\.(xml|txt)(\.gz)?)$ forums/vbseo_sitemap/vbseo_getsitemap.php?sitemap=$1 [L]

No worky. Am I missing something obvious?

I also tried to just copy the good stuff that was working from the higher one down into the /forums one, but that didn't work well either, but I can see what that wouldn't...

Alex
January 10th, 2009, 04:24 AM
k - waiting for some feedback from the vbseo folks. right now the main directories are working, and I can make all subdirectories work by disabling the vbseo stuff, but I don't want to do that (can hurt search engine rankings). Hope to have a solution that allows all desired htaccess functionality, as well as full vbseo functionality soon. Need some sleep!

Alex
January 11th, 2009, 03:19 PM
htaccess problems are behind us! works perfectly for all domains, and for the /forums subdirectory as well. And the vbseo stuff still works. Got help from a forum that is specifically about mod_rewrites. I can't believe there is a forum for just that, but I'm glad there is!

More details on the final solution ---> here (http://forum.modrewrite.com/viewtopic.php?t=23736)

Alex
January 23rd, 2009, 08:12 AM
added 2 more domains:

www.kawasakininja250.org
www.kawasakininja250forum.com

Alex
January 23rd, 2009, 11:17 AM
hrmmm... This may have turned out to be an interesting intellectual exercise, but I may have to switch things back from aliases to redirects. There are issues with the login/logout process across the portal page and forum home on the vanity domains. Those issues are not easily solvable, and the company that publishes that portal page code says not to do it and recommends redirects.

But more importantly, all of the SEO gurus are telling me that redirects to a primary domain is much, much better for search engine results than having multiple domains all aliased to the same content.

I won't be making any immediate changes in the next few days, so if anyone has any thoughts on this that aren't already in this thread, I'm all ears. :ear:

Alex
January 23rd, 2009, 01:03 PM
Good news! (for those who like the aliases). I think I've found a way to make it work, at least with the portal integration. People should no longer see any weird cookie login/logout issues when going between the portal page and the main forums page no matter which domain they are using. This doesn't address the search engine question, but that's not critical at this point.

maxedpenny
February 18th, 2009, 09:58 PM
I would love a email at www.kawininja250.com.
Something like Miles@kawininja250.com. Is it still only forwarding?

Alex
May 11th, 2009, 04:25 PM
I'm starting to rethink this (and thinking that I may have been on to something back in post 35 (http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?p=20505&postcount=35)). I'm seeing that our search engine ranking is actually going down over time, while our traffic, usage, and post activity continues to grow significantly each and every week. It looks like we're getting hit with the "duplicate content" penalty by Google, by having pretty much identical sites at 15+ different domains. At first I thought it was just that word ninjette perhaps wasn't the first search term that people would use when looking for 250's. But our keywords and meta tags, which are filled with things like "ninja 250", "kawasaki", "ninja", etc. should help take care of that. And our domains with the same top-notch content and domain names that do have more standard terms in them, are still way, way down on the search engine list if they appear at all.

So I expect I'll revert this at some point soon, and simply point all of these domains back to ninjette.org as the main domain, and stop submitting sitemaps for all of the others. Google ranking isn't everything, but a strong ranking certainly only helps us attract more ninja 250r fans to this site, and I don't want to be doing anything silly that's unnecessarily hurting that ranking.

Any SEO pros are welcome and encouraged to post up their thoughts here, I'd certainly appreciate any input.

thsadmin
May 11th, 2009, 06:20 PM
I'm starting to rethink this (and thinking that I may have been on to something back in post 35). I'm seeing that our search engine ranking is actually going down over time, while our traffic, usage, and post activity continues to grow significantly each and every week. It looks like we're getting hit with the "duplicate content" penalty by Google, by having pretty much identical sites at 15+ different domains. At first I thought it was just that word ninjette perhaps wasn't the first search term that people would use when looking for 250's. But our keywords and meta tags, which are filled with things like "ninja 250", "kawasaki", "ninja", etc. should help take care of that. And our domains with the same top-notch content and domain names that do have more standard terms in them, are still way, way down on the search engine list if they appear at all.

So I expect I'll revert this at some point soon, and simply point all of these domains back to ninjette.org as the main domain, and stop submitting sitemaps for all of the others. Google ranking isn't everything, but a strong ranking certainly only helps us attract more ninja 250r fans to this site, and I don't want to be doing anything silly that's unnecessarily hurting that ranking.

Any SEO pros are welcome and encouraged to post up their thoughts here, I'd certainly appreciate any input.

I have been a webmaster for four years ... now I flip the occasional site, Why not find the most popular search terms for Ninja and / or Kawasaki and start getting articles, blog posts, forum topics or threads to match the search terms - obviously have the content here at Ninjette.

Then Digg, Stumble and get others (members) to start adding links on other forums, blogs, social networks or sites to this forum.

Even have some comp's to help gather/write/develop this content for Ninjette, with prizes, like coupons, products, discounts for the best work ?

If you need a hand to find popular Google searches I can help you.

Alex
May 11th, 2009, 06:28 PM
Good points, that's one of the main reasons that the news forum (http://www.ninjette.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=22) exists here. It's an automated way to bring in relevant motorcycle topics. Worked very well on some other m/c sites I've run (and if you search for any recent motorcycle news topic, odds are you'll find a top 10 link to the montgomerybikers.com site). It has been much less successful for ninjette.org, so I'm trying to track down some of the reasons for that.

I have some lists of the top searches that bring people to this site, and all of those are in the meta tags to reinforce them, and I do submit new indexed sitemaps to google automatically each day.

Digg, Stumble, FB and other networks are definitely going to be a help as well. BlueTyke was kind enough to set up a FB group for us, which can't hurt with the exposure. It's just irking me that as of this week, we have more original ninja 250-specific content than all but two other sites on the internet, yet we're still only on the 3rd or 4th page of results for generic ninja 250 searches on google.

thsadmin
May 11th, 2009, 06:43 PM
Good points, that's one of the main reasons that the news forum exists here.

There's duplicate content though, if the articles are pulled from other sites, so they wont rank very well.

Ninja 250 isn't really that popular of a search in Google :

kawasaki ninja - 174 searches per day.
ninja 250 - 81 searches per day.

kawasaki - 2700 searches per day.
kawasaki motorcycles - 1199 searches per day.

Then related ninja searches per day are under 10 searches each.

Might get some traffic from Youtube if we uploaded videos there and linked to this forum, popular topics related to Ninjas of course, like crashes and stunts. Also the existing youtube vidz from members could be edited and linked here.

I use this to find the search popularity :

http://tools.seobook.com/keyword-tools/seobook/

Alex
May 11th, 2009, 06:55 PM
There's duplicate content though, if the articles are pulled from other sites, so they wont rank very well.

You're certainly right on that. It used to be very effective, and as the original news sites weren't doing much SEO, I'd often be listed above even the original site/original article. Now Google has improved a lot of that, and I'm less likely to see that than I was 2 or 3 years ago.

The youtube idea is another good one. We link to quite a few youtube videos from this site, and if there are ninja 250 videos we ourselves are posting up on youtube, linking to here could be a help, you're right. I'm somewhat surprised at how few ninja 250 searches there are per day, I somehow thought that the volume would be 10 to 100 times that. Doesn't everybody like these bikes? ;)

Alex
May 11th, 2009, 07:01 PM
OK - all the vanity domains (but 1) are working as forwards once again, and it should be pretty seamless. Having a strange issue with ninjette.net still, but hopefully it will fix itself in a few hours. www.ninjette.net forwards fine, but ninjette.net goes to an error page. Every other domain, including the .net ones like theninjette.net works fine, so it's a bit strange.

EDIT: Seems like it was fixed while I was posting this, ninjette.net now seems to be working just fine.

thsadmin
May 11th, 2009, 07:15 PM
I'm somewhat surprised at how few ninja 250 searches there are per day, I somehow thought that the volume would be 10 to 100 times that. Doesn't everybody like these bikes?

Same here, the stats can obviously vary from time to time, like certain periods of the year - for instance the release of the new models when everyone is searching for images and specs or even Xmas when people are searching for bikes.

Wish we could see how many Ninja searches were on Youtube daily.

It's hard though, cos you really want to focus on Ninja riders and have targeted traffic. For instance you could have articles / posts about the new Britney incident have 100s of page views - but no new members.

Here's the search volumes and frequency :

http://www.google.com/trends?q=ninja+250&ctab=0&geo=us&geor=all&date=ytd&sort=0

Here's the rising search terms and interest :

http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=ninja%20250%2Ckawasaki&date=today%2012-m&cmpt=q

As you can see from the results Ninja and Kawasaki are on the rise :

The top 5 Ninja Searches are (search and increase in searches) :

1. modifikasi ninja 250 (Breakout)
2. 09 ninja 250 (Breakout)
3. 2009 kawasaki ninja (+3700%)
4. 2009 250 ninja (+2350%)
5. ninja 250 community (+300%)

And for Kawasaki :

1. jett travolta (+4250%)
2. kawasaki 2009 (+2650%)
3. kawasaki syndrome (+400%)
4. sindrome kawasaki (+350%)
5. kawasaki disease (+200%)

So basically if we were to focus on the search terms above and created relevant content - the forum should pick up.

thsadmin
May 12th, 2009, 08:55 PM
I would also change the index page, there's little content there and the redirect would possibly be doing some damage to your SEO, I noticed that index wasn't in Google's index - as in www.ninjette.org ... which may be a result of the redirect after so many seconds.

Alex
May 12th, 2009, 10:37 PM
That's a thought, but I really do like the pic splash page... It seems that when you just search on "ninjette.org", google does return the portal page (http://www.ninjette.org/index2.php) as the first hit, not the splash page, so they are certainly indexing and ranking that portal page highly. Since it is already up there, I'm wondering if making it the index page would really have that large of an effect.

thsadmin
May 12th, 2009, 10:44 PM
Yeah, not really sure ... Google may have settled with the splash page now, changing it will conflict with the old set up and create a duplicate page - if you left the old page up.

But I was always taught that the index is most important for SEO, maybe if you just changed it a little ? Maybe add some RSS feeds on the (index) page - like new posts, new blog posts and anything else you could think of. What I am getting at is more links to the actual forum and posts. Like the news feeds you have on the portal page (but your own feeds).

Alex
May 12th, 2009, 10:49 PM
But all of that is already on the portal page, right? Right above any of the newsfeeds, there are direct links to the newest topics/threads within the site. I'm not sure that adding more than those 10 would help much, right?

It sounds like what you're suggesting is to basically make the portal page the index page (and perhaps add a little more forum content into the portal page). I just don't know if that will really make much of a difference. If the portal page wasn't being indexed regularly, there wouldn't be a question, that would be the issue. But it is being hit and reindexed by google pretty much every day, so their index already has anything and everything from that page already, and they already see it as the most relevant ninjette.org page. :idunno:

I just found the clearest description yet of how my multiple aliases without 301 redirects were hurting the SEO, here's a link (http://www.crackgoogle.com/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=29) to a decent article on the topic.

thsadmin
May 12th, 2009, 10:57 PM
It sounds like what you're suggesting is to basically make the portal page the index page

Yeah pretty much, or add similar content to the index page. Like you have said though - the portal page is being indexed quickly - so it may not really matter.

I was also concerned about the three steps to the main forum :

Index -> Portal -> Forum

Then the posts / threads are even further away.

Index -> Portal -> Forum -> Posts / Threads

Again just more thinking material for you.

Alex
May 12th, 2009, 11:19 PM
I hear you, you may be on to something. For a second I just switched the portal page to be the primary page, and I actually liked how it worked. The URL in the browser says only "http://www.ninjette.org/" , and the portal page is viewed, instead of the splash page as it is now. Some SEO advice makes a big deal about that page, always linking to it, and not linking to anything with index.html (or any other extension) as your home page. Having just the domain with a trailing slash evidently helps the algorithm. (link where I saw that (http://www.seoimage.com/301-redirects-and-canonical-urls.html))

What I won't be likely to ever go back to is for the primary page to be the forums page itself. It's just too confusing for new visitors to the site; I feel the portal, with an easily digestable site navigation widget, is pretty much mandatory.

thsadmin
May 12th, 2009, 11:31 PM
Yeah that article makes sense, I haven't read much on SEO lately, but i remember pages were indexed better if they weren't more than 3 clicks away from your index page. And the more links to your content on the index was always better - up to 50 links was OK - but between 20-30 is suggested. You don't have much to loose I guess if you try several indexes ...

But going back to basics, the forum will grow naturally by word of mouth and friends of members joining.

It's just the fine tuning in between and the growth of the website which is rewarding and sometimes frustrating - not to mention the monetizing. Overall the site is going and growing well though.

Alex
May 13th, 2009, 06:10 PM
Thanks Jase, you're right on all counts. It's not life or death, or even particularly important at all, that the SEO works great or not at all. It's only one avenue of keeping this site happy and healthy, and all is perfectly fine as we are right now.

It's just frustrating, as you said, to not know which changes may or may not make a difference in the rankings, and also to have to wait such a long time after changes to see if there has been a positive or negative effect due to whatever change is made.

thsadmin
May 15th, 2009, 07:55 PM
Thanks Jase, you're right on all counts.

No worries, if you ever need to bounce questions or concerns about the SEO - just let me know and I will try my best to assist.

Alex
June 3rd, 2009, 11:02 PM
Looks like the recent changes have made a significant difference in Google results. (Or those results coincidentally happened over the same time period. :)) Either way, the number of ninjette.org pages that Google has in its index has doubled in the past two weeks, after being stagnant for months. :thumbup:

Alex
June 18th, 2009, 01:41 AM
Just saw today that a google search on "ninja 250 forum" now has a link to here on the top of the 3rd page. It's not top 10, but it's getting there...

BlueRaven
June 18th, 2009, 05:28 AM
Just checked the first 5 pages on google.ca and ninjette.org is nowhere to be seen when i type in ninja 250 forum.

patw
June 18th, 2009, 08:07 AM
Same here, I had to be told this forum existed by other users on another forum (cbr125r.ca), I've never found it in a google search.

If it's possible, switch to a friendly URL setup for the forum entires so they look something like:

http://ninjette.org/forums/thread/12453

Not sure if this system supports it though.

Alex
June 18th, 2009, 09:17 AM
That's OK, there are more than enough Canadians on this board already. :rotflmao:

The friendly URL's used to help a few years back, but have been made irrelevant once Google started to accept sitemaps quite awhile ago. Many forum sites (including this one), use a tool that indexes the entire site, all threads, all member pages, all everything, and puts the URL of each site into a single text file. That file, called a sitemap, tells search engines everything they need to know about what pages exist on the site. Google (and Yahoo) pull down our sitemap several times per day, so they know immediately about every single one of the pages on the site, it's pretty useful. The issue is that Google then decides how important each one of those pages is, and if nobody else on the internet has taken the time to link to it, or there isn't anything particularly unique about the content on that page, then it never makes its way high up into the search index anyway.

Prior to sitemaps, friendly URL's made it a little more likely that more of a site would be indexed successfully, but at this point it doesn't make a whit of difference. If you want to take a peek at our sitemap, the index is right at:

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/sitemap_index.xml.gz

The end of each sitemap file links to the next one, there are several to keep the file sizes down.

Snake
June 18th, 2009, 09:23 AM
I have met some very nice Canadians from this forum and hope to go visit one day. Maybe when I win the Lottery. (Inside JK)

Alex
June 30th, 2009, 10:27 PM
Wanted to bump up this idea again; if anyone wants a Ninjette-related email address (anything (at) ninjette.org), or any of the other domains listed in the first post in this thread, just let me know and I can set one up for you immediately (for free). It would be a forwarding account that would immediately push any incoming mail to whichever "real" email account you're using now.

Alex
August 31st, 2011, 05:43 PM
Rebump diddy bump. If anyone wants a ninjette.org vanity email address, just let me know. Details in the post right above...

OGjackafidy
September 1st, 2011, 08:18 PM
You should set up and android app for ninjette that would be so sick

Alex
September 3rd, 2011, 01:21 PM
Working on it. No ETA - but it'll happen...

ducducgooseit
September 3rd, 2011, 05:05 PM
Did the Forum's font change recently (last week or so)?

Alex
September 3rd, 2011, 05:14 PM
Nope. Check to make sure your browser still has the zoom set to 100% and didn't get bunked up or down a notch.

Alex
October 2nd, 2012, 09:44 AM
And now we're back to playing this game again. :) A few years ago, we were able to up our ranking on google so when people searched for "ninja 250 forum", a link to our site finally made it to the first page of results, and at that point traffic increased at a much faster rate than it ever had before. It just builds on itself. It did take what seemed like years to finally get to that point, though.

Three days ago, searching on "ninja 300 forum", came up with nothing on us until page 6 or 7 of results, which might as well be nowhere. After adding the new forum area(s) for the 300, and moving a bunch of related threads in there, we're already up to page 3 of results, and hopefully moving up fast. A search on "ninja 300 forum area" has us at number #1, but that's a pretty specific and unlikely search. Anyway, if people have Ninja 300 content, we now have some great places to post it up, and the more we have, the more new owners we'll attract here to be able to abuse mercilessly chat with.

Oh - and nobody has asked me for a ninjette.org vanity email address in awhile. If you want one with your username, just let me know and I can set it up for you reasonably quickly.

Jiggles
October 2nd, 2012, 11:14 AM
Better lock up ninjetteporn.com while it's still available

alex.s
October 2nd, 2012, 11:18 AM
i wouldn't mind a vanity email on ninjetteporn.com...

Alex
October 2nd, 2012, 11:54 AM
Done. Will be up and running in a few hours. :)

Jiggles
October 2nd, 2012, 11:56 AM
:rotflmao:

Lychee
October 2nd, 2012, 06:41 PM
How does the vanity email work? Does it a forward to another user defined address?

Alex
October 2nd, 2012, 09:06 PM
Yes. It's just an email address that would then forward to your "real" email account. But you can use it as your return address if you choose in most mail programs, so for all intents and purposes it can look like your real email account.

Alex
October 2nd, 2012, 09:41 PM
i wouldn't mind a vanity email on ninjetteporn.com...

You're all set. :thumbup:

Jiggles
October 2nd, 2012, 09:54 PM
Is ninjetteporn.com going to link back to a picture thread?

Alex
October 2nd, 2012, 09:55 PM
Right now it just links to the main domain. Do you want an email address on it?

Jiggles
October 2nd, 2012, 10:02 PM
I kinda do.... Would be perfect on a ninjette.org business card

Alex
October 2nd, 2012, 10:11 PM
Done. It should be working in a few minutes.

CZroe
October 2nd, 2012, 10:35 PM
I see you added ninjette.com to the list. Why "?" Do you two have something going on? Did I miss something? Why not CZroeninjette.com?

Alex
October 2nd, 2012, 10:44 PM
Someone's getting carried away with the [ you ] tag. :)

alex.s
October 2nd, 2012, 11:31 PM
LmfaoL

Jiggles
October 3rd, 2012, 09:05 PM
ninja300forum.com and ninja300forum.org would be good, then they could redirect here :D

Alex
October 3rd, 2012, 09:15 PM
ninja300forum.com and ninja300forum.org would be good, then they could redirect here :D

.com already gone. But picked up:

ninja300forum.org
ninja300forum.net

They should be working in a moment.

Jiggles
October 14th, 2012, 03:00 PM
owrex how do I reply from the email address? Is there a way to? I have some very important clients that I need to respond to.

Alex
October 14th, 2012, 06:20 PM
Depends on the email program & email account you're using. Most of the major providers let you specify a different reply-to address. I use it in Gmail to respond from a number of different vanity accounts related to this site. I'm pretty sure Yahoo would have that functionality as well. OK - quick google, and here are some instructions:

http://www.guidingtech.com/15089/different-reply-to-gmail-outlook-com-yahoo/

http://email.about.com/od/yahoomailtips/qt/et_reply_to.htm

Alex
February 2nd, 2014, 08:31 PM
Bump for a very old thread. Our google concerns are years behind us at this point, with good search ranking for just about any combination of ninja 250 or ninja 300 keywords. I also picked up a new domain a few days ago, that used to point to another ninja 250 forum. (www.ninja250forum.com) I'm not sure if there are any stragglers that may find their way over here, but it can't hurt. :thumbup:

Alex
April 2nd, 2014, 11:47 AM
Hi all -

During efforts to improve this site's email deliverability (see here (http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=173672)), I realized that the handful of ninjette.org email addresses I had configured for people were no longer viable. One of the things I am doing with the domain is added records that basically say: "all email from the ninjette.org domain is coming from these specific servers; if you are running a mailserver that received ninjette.org mail from any other server, it's spam and you can drop it".

These records make the domain to be considered more trustworthy, and more legitimate mail gets through. But - if users are sending mail from other servers, their mail will be more likely to be dropped, and the trustworthiness of the domain itself is affected.

So - for the four of you (caps, dubojr1, sprale, xTKx ) that had ninjette.org email addresses, I unfortunately had to delete them.

For the handful of folks that have vanity email addresses on any of the other domains (including ninjetteporn.com!), I've left them all as if and I have no immediate plans to change or remove any of those.

Wanted to bump up this idea again; if anyone wants a Ninjette-related email address (anything (at) ninjette.org), or any of the other domains listed in the first post in this thread, just let me know and I can set one up for you immediately (for free). It would be a forwarding account that would immediately push any incoming mail to whichever "real" email account you're using now.

caps
April 2nd, 2014, 01:19 PM
Caps=sad panda

Alex
April 2nd, 2014, 02:07 PM
Sorry, Caps. If you (or anybody else) would want an email forwarding address from any of the other pile of domains listed in this thread (including ninjetteporn.com!), just let me know and I can set those up.