What's happening to all of Kkim's photos? You can't see them any more.
A random check this morning shows that many, if not all of them, are gone from his DIY threads.

He torched them. :(

There will be a rebuilding effort over time.

/moved to Forum Info

Wow. I must be out of touch because I had no idea there was a problem.

Edit: I just read the post at http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=76565
Sorry it came to this ending.

Didn't take long for people to miss such a tremendous asset and wealth of information. Together we can all work to restore it. Remember to take pictures as you are doing work on your bike and post them to help others.

This is very unfortunate; I miss kkim :(. He had such an array of knowledge that he shared with us.

Big loss for this forum.

As for the loss of the photos, it's unfortunate but completely within his rights. For most of us, kkim will be more remembered for his time as helpful member here rather than how it all ended. A loss brings an opportunity for other members to step up and fill this void.

+1

That's unfortunate since visuals do help tremendously. Can someone list all the DIY pics we need here to help rebuild?

Alex, would you prefer we add pics to his current DIY's or to start a new thread?

I'm changing my oil and replacing spark plugs this weekend so I can take pics of those. My bike is also currently naked so if there's a list here, I can easily snap photos of any internals.

Wow. I must be out of touch because I had no idea there was a problem.

Edit: I just read the post at http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=76565
Sorry it came to this ending.

is the reason of his departure displayed in that thread? I read all of it but can't find it. Why did he leave?

See Alex's post #42 on p.2 of that thread where he explains as much as he can.

What I got from that thread is that the increase of bickering and arguing in most of the threads lately, has taken away from any pleasure he got from visiting the site. Just a guess on my part. Before it was posts about what new mods are being done and fun rides, etc. Now it just seems like every thread ends in "if you're not ATGATT I hope you die in an accident" or "I see you lowsided, you're such a f**king squid".

That's unfortunate since visuals do help tremendously. Can someone list all the DIY pics we need here to help rebuild?

Alex, would you prefer we add pics to his current DIY's or to start a new thread?

I'm changing my oil and replacing spark plugs this weekend so I can take pics of those. My bike is also currently naked so if there's a list here, I can easily snap photos of any internals.

I'd be totally down with helping rebuild the photos but even if we could provide the pictures, it would not be as streamlined as if we were to add the photos into the threads themselves.

Hate to say it but it might be necessary to either copy kkim's DIY threads and add photos (giving him credit of course) or rewrite some of the DIY's with our own photos. Also, instead of embedding it from our own personal sites, attaching the photos could ensure it stays put even if the user's personal photo archives are changed.

If he was such a "tremendous asset" why did he destroy all the photos?

Sounds like a jerk to me.

kinda feeling the same now.... really sad

Here are the key threads that are missing photos, there are somewhere around 8 of them left. They deal with carb work, exhaust installs, and a few others. I agree with Brian that the pics make the most sense within the threads themselves. What I'd suggest is that if anyone is going through the same processes going forward, if they have relevant pics to share in the process, just let me know and I can insert them appropriately within the existing thread. Kkim can and will get blanket credit for creating the threads of course (his name is still attached to them), but the new pic credits will be attributed as well.

In the scheme of a board with 16,000+ threads, this should be a drop in the bucket, but a few of these threads are the highest viewed, with 40k views for the woodcraft install thread, and 20k views for the oil change DIY. Here's the list I have. I'm sure this isn't fully complete, but it should be the bulk of the ones linked from the DIY sticky and/or important other tech threads:


http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=9851 Zartan's Exh hanger
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=10239 Rim tape
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=11012 Area P Exh Hanger
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=15136 footpeg extenders
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=17448 Area P quiet Module Instal
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=33367 Vinyl Graphics
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=65198 Carb Rebuild/ bike won't start
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=69471 More Carb work, inside the carbs


(edited as of 10/15/11)

What I got from that thread is that the increase of bickering and arguing in most of the threads lately, has taken away from any pleasure he got from visiting the site. Just a guess on my part. Before it was posts about what new mods are being done and fun rides, etc. Now it just seems like every thread ends in "if you're not ATGATT I hope you die in an accident" or "I see you lowsided, you're such a f**king squid".

I've been watching from the shadows and have noticed the same thing...but the thing is, this isn't the only forum suffering from the sudden burst of anger, outrageously large egos, and copious amounts of testosterone.

It seems to come with almost every motorcycle forum I've been an active member of. It seems that these newer people who just got their first bike think they're tough **** cause they are a badass motorcyclist and now they have the power to lash out against others if they don't follow their beliefs...it's nothing more than cyber bullying and it's getting old fast. I'm at the point where I don't even want to use forums anymore and keep my knowledge to myself because it is very rare to find anyone that pays it forward these days.

My other choice would be to make my own forum and set up a kind of point system in which community members could vote a person up or down (kind of like reputation) and if the person receives too many negative votes then a notification is sent to an admin who can choose to ban/warn/block the person with negative feedback...problem is the time and cost to run such a forum on a dedicated server is a bit high...and i just don't have those kind of resources.

My other choice would be to make my own forum and set up a kind of point system in which community members could vote a person up or down (kind of like reputation) and if the person receives too many negative votes then a notification is sent to an admin who can choose to ban/warn/block the person with negative feedback...problem is the time and cost to run such a forum on a dedicated server is a bit high...and i just don't have those kind of resources.

Great idea, love it!

The reputation systems don't work long-term. It's a very public way of discounting anyone who is new. And it's an excuse for those who have been around for awhile, and by sheer time alone, are bound to have very high reputation points. Each post here stands alone, whether you're here for the first week or have been here for years. It's the reason that once post counts hit a certain level at this site, the notations in the avatar block are normalized.

I think the tone issue is one thing that comes up from time to time, and while it is frustrating, that's not the key issue. If people are noticeably belligerent, it's very easy to tune them out (either individually via "ignore", or at a board-wide level by just bouncing or muting them). The bigger problem, that kkim felt, (I'm paraphrasing, so forgive me), is that there are more and more people online who not only truly don't know what they are talking about re: motorcycling, but they repeat it enough times here to brand-new riders in ways that can truly mislead, and are combative when they are challenged. News flash: If a rider has been doing this for less than 5 years, they're still new. If they have less than 100,000 miles, they're still new. The rider is still learning quite a bit along the way. If they're not, they're doing it wrong. :) It gets tiresome to try and stay positive, remain the voice of reason, and continually find new ways to get the main points across. There are many, many posters here who do a great job of just that. Kkim will unfortunately no longer be one of them.

Here are the key threads that are missing photos, there are somewhere around 20 of them. They deal with carb work, exhaust installs, clip-on installs, and a few others. I agree with Brian that the pics make the most sense within the threads themselves. What I'd suggest is that if anyone is going through the same processes going forward, if they have relevant pics to share in the process, just let me know and I can insert them appropriately within the existing thread. Kkim can and will get blanket credit for creating the threads of course (his name is still attached to them), but the new pic credits will be attributed as well.

In the scheme of a board with 16,000+ threads, this should be a drop in the bucket, but a few of these threads are the highest viewed, with 40k views for the woodcraft install thread, and 20k views for the oil change DIY. Here's the list I have. I'm sure this isn't fully complete, but it should be the bulk of the ones linked from the DIY sticky and/or important other tech threads:


I appreciate you volunteering to input the photos into the threads but are you sure you want to take on that feat yourself? It could get ridiculous quickly. You're already busy as it is with your family. I'd prefer you take your free time and join us on another ride instead. :thumbup:


My other choice would be to make my own forum and set up a kind of point system in which community members could vote a person up or down (kind of like reputation) and if the person receives too many negative votes then a notification is sent to an admin who can choose to ban/warn/block the person with negative feedback...problem is the time and cost to run such a forum on a dedicated server is a bit high...and i just don't have those kind of resources.

There is no perfect system but I can see how the voting system could be abused by those that just dont like that member.

yea i noticed kelly wasn't posting anymore for a while now. he sure did help me a lot being a newb to this motorcycle world and all. his DIY guides and being responsive with questions thru PM's really did help me learn a lot. he will definitely be missed.

we need to keep working where kelly left off and continue to pay it forward!

See Alex's post #42 on p.2 of that thread where he explains as much as he can.

OMG there are multiple pages, I feel so stupid right now, i'm sorry :rolleyes:

I appreciate you volunteering to input the photos into the threads but are you sure you want to take on that feat yourself? It could get ridiculous quickly. You're already busy as it is with your family. I'd prefer you take your free time and join us on another ride instead. :thumbup:


It's not an either or, I hope to do both. ;) If the pictures exist somewhere online, and someone tells me where they should go, it only takes moments to add the links & attachments to the threads. I'm happy to do it. It's not something we need to complete tomorrow, or this week, or this month. Over time, I hope that we can get enough back up to make it unnecessary to create brand-new DIY's for all of these. The bulk of the work is already done, and some of those threads have been shown to be particularly useful.

OMG there are multiple page, I feel so stupid right now, i'm sorry :rolleyes:
No need to feel bad or apologize.

It's not an either or, I hope to do both. ;) If the pictures exist somewhere online, and someone tells me where they should go, it only takes moments to add the links & attachments to the threads. I'm happy to do it. It's not something we need to complete tomorrow, or this week, or this month. Over time, I hope that we can get enough back up to make it unnecessary to create brand-new DIY's for all of these. The bulk of the work is already done, and some of those threads have been shown to be particularly useful.

Haha a do it all kind of guy i see. Ok fair enough.

I wish I had taken pictures when I installed my Area P system :(

Thank you for the list Alex. I'll take as many pics as I can this weekend as I'm trying to get the bike started again. Definitely can do oil change, removing gas tank, Corbin seat and I believe I have pictures of my Area P Race install. I normally use photobucket, but I can upload to an album here to make it easier for you to link.

I already cleaned out my carbs, but if my bike still doesn't start and removing them again is necessary, I'll take more pics :thumbup:

Hi Cuong - you can use an album if you want, but photobucket would be just fine as well. What I will likely do with all of 'em is add them as attachments within the post. That way they are locked in and are guaranteed stable, for as long as this site is up.

Have you considered hosting the pictures on the server itself Alex? I'm part of an art forum where if you want to include a picture you can upload the picture to the website instead of linking it from a photo-sharing website so if the picture ever gets taken down from the website, it could still continue to exist on here. I'm not particularly aware of the logistics of such a thing or the financial implications so you may have already considered this but not included it. Just a thought :thumbup:

The picture albums are hosted here, and any image attachments in posts are hosted here. It's the linked images that can be hosted anywhere on the internet. I can block the <img> tags so no external images work, but that's a little drastic, and people really do get good use out of being able to quickly post <img> tags and have them work as expected. The 3 ways people can get pictures onto this site are listed in a sticky thread at the top of the pictures section.

This is very unfortunate; I miss kkim :(. He had such an array of knowledge that he shared with us.

Yup, always willing to share his knowlege (pay it forward as he had in his signature).

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=13507 Zero G double Bubble
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http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=13511

Good call, Noche! I'll highlight yours in the sticky, and just remove the other one.

Alex-
I have many of these saved in pdf format from Kawi forums - I'm attaching them below, but feel free to remove this post... I'm torn over whether I should even share them here...

EDIT: Noche - I got all of 'em, and the pics are back where they should be for all of those you had stored. :thumbup:

Thanks, Kim. I don't think we can replace the original DIY's with these PDF's outright, as while they have similar content, these would belong to kawiforums. I'll leave them up here for awhile until we figure out what to do with them here. One way might be to extract just the pics to recreate what was already published.

Think google would still have them cached?

Darn, google is getting way too fast for us these days.... they're gone.

Google doesn't cache many photos. But Noche's solution was spot-on, for at least the older ones. The Corbin one has been recreated already. I'll delete the PDF's as I finish them.

What a disaster. I took those pics for granted. This really doesn't seem like the Kelly I knew. Of all the people on this board he would seem to be the one least likely to take his ball and go home. Very unsettling.

When I work on my bike I'll be sure to take pics from now on.

I am very conflicted over all this to he honest. Kelly was great in here, helped both me and Sharon numerous times, a wealth of knowledge and a willingness to help out.

To smash all that by killing the pics in the DIY's it's like a diffrent person did it, not the same Kelly that helped a lot if us out. I understand leaving for what ever reason but he had a legacy here. It's like finding out Cal Ripkin was on roids and beat his wife everyday or Joe Montana stole the other teams playbooks to win. I liked and admired Kelly, sadly he let me down.

The good news the threads wil be rebuilt i am sure next tech day I will help with pics and I am sure the guys will have a few DIY's to post up. I say we redo them entirely, new DIY's from the members.

Honestly, we don't don't know that he purposely removed them since they have IMG tags linked from Kawiforums especially since they've been up for a couple months since he left. I know with Photobucket, they remove my pics if I have no activity for 3 months.

Honestly, we don't don't know that he purposely removed them.

We know.

Oops, editing b/c of Alex's last post.

I think it would be prudent for this community to work on rebuilding those DIY's instead of bashing Kkim, especially since most people in this thread (myself included) don't know his intentions or reasons. Let bygones be bygones, pay it forward and all that.

With my limited time on the forum so far it's sad to see Kkim go. I have found several of his posts very helpful.

Oops, editing b/c of Alex's last post.

I think it would be prudent for this community to work on rebuilding those DIY's instead of bashing Kkim, especially since most people in this thread (myself included) don't know his intentions or reasons. Let bygones be bygones, pay it forward and all that.

Though I'm disappointed in how Kelly handled this situation, I have to agree with this. Raging will get us no where. This is the internet and that affords us all a significant degree of anonymity and separation. We just need to pick up the pieces and move along. He was a strong part of this website, and while his personality will be remembered, his technical contributions are replaceable.

Well whatever. Kkim has been nothing but great to me. in fact, he helped me out even when I asked questions that I KNOW he's answered before. Plus, even before I bought my bike, I was reading through his DIY's. Because of this, I try and help out who I can. so If I've gotten snippy with people and insulted anyone, I'm sorry and I apologize sincerely. In the mean time, I will pay forward the help that I was given and continue to get from everyone on this forum, and if/when kkim comes back i will appreciate the calming influence he brings

What happened to kkim? You still around buddy??

/thread (http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=76565)

IBTL

more appropriately;
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?p=334343&postcount=42

Both links are the same.

First link is similiar thread, second link is the second page where a direct answer from Alex

Last relevant thread on the topic ---> link (http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=83076)

I think that about covers it, we can continue it if needed in either of those existing threads.

/closed

Big thanks to momaru, who helped recreate each of the pictures for the woodcraft install and weighted bar ends DIY. Both of those threads are no longer on the to-do list, and we're now down to about 9 left. I think there may be some pics already lying around in the oil change thread and perhaps elsewhere, but please keep these few threads in mind to snap pictures of your own if you find yourself doing the same work... :thumbup:

If he was such a "tremendous asset" why did he destroy all the photos?

Sounds like a jerk to me.

This.
I don't know the guy personally, but I can tell older members of this site were very fond of him. As for myself personally, I think that's a sh*tty move he pulled by deleting all the photos intentionally.

I was thinking about providing an "oil change DIY," but I don't have motorcycle stands, so I'm sure mine would be a very ghetto DIY. I'm sure, though, that there are plenty of people like me who own a bike but no bike stands, so maybe I'll do it anyway...
I use a Yellow Book to hold the bike more upright. :lol:

Big thanks to areion457. whose pdf allowed us to recreate the pictures in the oil change DIY. We're now down to 8 DIY threads that are missing key pictures, and of those, the only two critical ones IMO are the carb-related ones.

KK is a knowledgeable guy who's generous with his help. For lots of us, he was the "go to" guy. Still..one door closes, anothe one opens and we're still the friendliest site.

WTheck? I thought he was busy doing other stuff. Didn't realize we were getting to him with our different persona and/or he had a difficult time accepting the change of atmosphere (more like how things have lightened up in here IMHO :D).

Now, I've only known KKim through his posts when he was with Kawiforums. He was truly a great contributor and well liked & respected there and here but from having to leave the site to removing the pics says a lot about a guy if you really look into it. I'm not saying he's a horrible guy but what I am saying is it also shows a different side of him that you all may not have known about. And that's okay because we're not perfect. And that's what I was trying to show everyone when I first joined...there is no perfect world, forum, or members.



But hey...http://rlv.zcache.com/i_will_survive_tshirt-p235414586925072083zval7_400.jpg

I am very conflicted over all this to he honest. Kelly was great in here, helped both me and Sharon numerous times, a wealth of knowledge and a willingness to help out.

To smash all that by killing the pics in the DIY's it's like a diffrent person did it, not the same Kelly that helped a lot if us out. I understand leaving for what ever reason but he had a legacy here. It's like finding out Cal Ripkin was on roids and beat his wife everyday or Joe Montana stole the other teams playbooks to win. I liked and admired Kelly, sadly he let me down.

The good news the threads wil be rebuilt i am sure next tech day I will help with pics and I am sure the guys will have a few DIY's to post up. I say we redo them entirely, new DIY's from the members.


If he was such a "tremendous asset" why did he destroy all the photos?

Sounds like a jerk to me.

I'm not crapping on him or this site. This is a great place, there are a lot of good people here and he was one of them. But just because he left doesn't mean everyone's tech questions will go unanswered. There are plenty of other people with the knowledge, experience and willingness to help. I can't think of a better analogy than "he took his ball and went home." If this place was really that important to him, he wouldn't have left over something as stupid as not liking some peoples attitudes. And if that is the reason he left, well that's juvenility beyond words.



Werd to the above. :thumbup: Glad people are chipping in and recreating DIY threads.

Alex / Others - What other DIY's are pending? I plan to install LeoVince Exhaust and FactoryPro JetKit (with snorkel on airbox) on my bike preparing for next year's race, so i can take pictures of it with details. Please lmk !

The remaining ones are up in post #15 (http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?p=351904&postcount=15) of this same thread. Most of the ones left are reasonably obscure at this point, though the last two re: carb work would likely be helpful.

All DIY's are linked from the sticky thread at the top of the tech section:

Directory of all DIY threads on Ninjette.org (http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5586)