alex thats not what i am saying. im saying that in most, not all, but most of the stories i hear are rider error, that either come up in conversation or i read in a web forum. its a stated fact from msf too. obviously all problems cant be avoided but many can, especially if you arent wheeling your bike. in the op's post theres nothing he could have done, but if he didnt grab the brakes theres a possibility he could have recovered. grabbing the brakes was the deal breaker.
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