Thanks...I am leaning towards the hard shell type. But I'm not so sure I should settle on the Tryonic one so quickly. I was reading up a little on the CE standards, and it seems that one of the requirements is that sizing should be based on the shoulder to waist measurement. They haven't bothered to do that it from what I see, and in fact it looks like very few manufacturers have. If they feel at liberty to pick and choose which bits of the standard they stick to, it makes me wonder if the famous "3.7" claim is really worth anything. The Dainese Manis looks really cool - they have the proper sizing and I like the fact that the plates overlap, so there are no gaps. They don't make any claims about the protection other than that it's Level 2, but since no one provides anything to substantiate these claims anyway, I'm not sure it really matters. Decisions decisions...I am a geek and an overthinker when it comes to this stuff
