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Old May 19th, 2015, 10:59 AM   #93
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Originally Posted by adouglas View Post
Let's see... Just looking at a few of the incidents that received widespread media attention...

Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...ass-shootings/
  • Luby's cafeteria, Killeen, Texas, 1991. 24 dead, 20 wounded. Firearm was a Ruger P89, obtained legally.
  • Washington Navy Yard, 2013. 13 dead, 8 wounded. Firearm was a Beretta, obtained legally.
  • Aurora Colorado theater shooting, 2012. 12 dead, 58 wounded. .40 Glock among other weapons, obtained legally.
  • Sikh temple shooting, Oak Creek, Wisconsin. 7 dead, 3 injured. Springfield XDM, obtained legally.
  • Virginia Tech massacre, 2007. 33 dead, 23 injured. Glock 19 and Walther P22, both obtained legally.

It is of course possible to go on and on, but you get the point. Holding a permit does not mean you won't be misuse a firearm.

Full disclosure: I am a CCW holder. Sometimes I carry. Sometimes I do not. I also live in an area of very low crime, but did not always (which is why I got my permit in the first place).

Adoug, perhaps you are confusing "firearm owner" with "concealed carry licensee" Texas didn't even have a CCL until 1994. The Luby's cafeteria killings were the motivation to remove Gov Richards and seat a gov who would sign ccw into law (G.W. Bush)

1. George Hennard, not licensed to carry a firearm (no ccw in Texas at that time). Not eligible to own or possess a handgun under federal law for drug possession offences.

2. Aaron Alexis had a permit to carry in Washington State. It would not be legal for him to carry in Washington D.C. , Maryland, or Virginia. It is also prohibited to carry a firearm on or in US government property or buildings, including the Navy Yard building 197. His weapon of choice was and unconcealed Remington 870 pump action shot gun with 2 hand guns as backup.

3. James Holms was not licensed to carry a firearm. He was eligible as Colorado is a shall issue state and Holms had no disqualifying elements in his record. However he was not a CCL holder.

4. Wade Michael Page. Wisconsin is prohibited by law from revealing if Page was a licensed concealed carry permit holder or not.

5. Seung-Hui Cho was declared mentally ill by a Vinginia special Justice but was ordered to seek treatment as an "Out patient". As an out patient his mental illness was not reported to Virginia's central criminal records exchange and as such he was not prohibited from purchasing firearms.

Actual concealed carry license holders commit crime at a lower rate then sworn law enforcement officers.

And in each instance above, the only way to stop the attack, would be an armed CCW licensee among the intended victims bringing their weapon to the fight and putting down the assailant.
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