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Bob KellyIII · December 22nd, 2021, 11:56 AM

On constructing HHO cells there are a bunch of cell designs out there and most work fairly well. there are 2 categories wet cells and dry cells, I never really got into dry cells because they seamed like they wasted alot of surface area of the plates where if it was a wet cell all the airea would be used... but that was just my preference.
My method of making a cell is fairly straightforward... every other plate has to be negative and the other ones are positive so it's negative, positive,negative, positive etc. all the way through the cell to make that arrangement you have to insulate the bolts you are holding the thing together with really good or you will have a direct short and the cell will not work
I will describe how to build a really nice cell for good production that needs no insulation but might need a zip tie or two to keep the plates separated.
( keep in mind I haven't built this cell it's just an idea I had)
using 4"x6" stainless steel plates 20 of them and 2 1/4" threaded rods about 8" long or so ( long enough so you can get 10 plates on it with a stainless steel nut between each one....how ever long that needs to be and have about 2" over hang on the end.... drill 1/4" holes in the center of the width and about 1/8" away from the edge on each plate and assemble the first half of the cell by putting the threaded rod through the hole of the plate and a nut on either side of it near one end of the rod... add the next plate and another nut and keep doing that until you have all 10 plates on the threaded rod
line up all the plates and snug up all the nuts half the cell is done.....
now make another one of those using the same method. now these 2 pieces can inter mesh with each other and the plate spacing will be very small, which is what we want !
now those threaded rods need to be attached to something solid so they won't move , I suggest a 1" piece of thick white plastic or plexy glass
don't use black plastic as it has an electrical resistance that will rob electric power.
once you mount the 2 threaded rods to the Plexiglas seperator you might make another one for the other end of the threaded rods to help keep them at the same distance.
this is all well and good and the cell is almost complete as long as the plates do not touch and the odds of that are very high that some will be touching
so you get some white zip ties and force them under the plate that wants to touch and that will keep them from touching. you don't have to do all the plates that way only the ones that are not cooperating !now check the threaded rods with a VTOM meter for continuity between them, there should be NONE !
once No continuity is achieved the cell is ready to be used
.... the problem with this design is it's shape it's a "long rectangle" and it's hard to find a container that it would fit into and be air tight ( it MUST be air tight) you could make your own container from 1/4" plexiglass or use a tupper-ware container ! just remember it has to hold acid and you don't want that to leak ! you simply mount the cell in the container and make a hose connector to collect the gas from a vinyl tube.
the easiest method is to mount the cell onto the lid of the container and add a hose bib to the lid as well....
fill the container with distilled water and add some KOH or several packets of Lemmon aid Kool-Aid to the water the amount of electrolyte (KOH or kool-aid) you add to the water determines how much amperage you will draw so so accordingly
to draw 20 amps it takes alot of electrolyte to draw 40amps the water has to be at the saturation point with the electrolyte. meaning adding more electrolyte makes no change in amp draw.
so there is a point at which you cannot go beyond in production because you cannot get anymore amps into the cell !
that is why if you want more HHO you have to run more cells.
....
now that you have a HHO cell water and electrolyte you can hook up a battery to the cell ( through an amp gauge) and actually see it work...
using just water it will barely bubble or make a cloud of tiny bubbles
but not be really productive at all the electrolyte really changes that
it will transform the water into a rolling boil !
but that gas it is making is extremely explosive so safety precautions are needed.... you now need a bubbler ! a bubbler is a way to keep the flame from entering the production chamber and blowing up the cell
it is made by using a 24" piece of PVC pipe with a cap on one end and a red
"POP off cap "or removable plug on the other and 2 nylon hose bibs put into the side of the pipe one at side of the bottom and one at the top's side so you can stand the pipe upright
run a vinyl hose from the cell container to the bottom of the bubbler ( make sure the water in the bubbler will not back flow into the cell by raising the hose above the top of the bubbler (you'll need a fairly long hose for that))
container and from the bubbler to a pan of water with a bit of dish soap in it
just for fun.... then you can light the bubbles and you will realise why this stuff is dangerous ! a 50 cent piece size bubble will be like a shot gun blast !
and you do NOT want to ignite that large voluum in the HHO cell or the top of the bubbler !!!
....
that's a quick to make HHO cell
keep in mind
you NEVER want to use a glass jar as a cell holder it will shatter and cover you with glass... if your lucky , if your unlucky send you to the hospital with a shard of glass stuck in your eye ! ...it's not worth it...use plastic !
and use a removable plumbing cap for the 2" pipe in the bubbler those things are great put it on snuggly and you don't have to worry about it
if the flame travels up the hose ( and it will) it will ignite the HHO voluum in the top of the bubbler and blow that cap off the top with a kaboom.!!!
so keep that voluum small by keeping the water about 1/2" below the upper hose connector ! that still a large volume of HHO gas ! but it is small compared to the cell container.
....
Bob...

December 22nd, 2021, 11:56 AM	#6
Bob KellyIII Retired motorcycle Mc. Name: Robert Location: Weed, California. Join Date: Jul 2021 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Kawasaki Ninja 250R, 2021 CSC TT250, 1977 Triumph Bonneville 750cc,2001 Honda XR650L. Posts: A lot.	On constructing HHO cells there are a bunch of cell designs out there and most work fairly well. there are 2 categories wet cells and dry cells, I never really got into dry cells because they seamed like they wasted alot of surface area of the plates where if it was a wet cell all the airea would be used... but that was just my preference. My method of making a cell is fairly straightforward... every other plate has to be negative and the other ones are positive so it's negative, positive,negative, positive etc. all the way through the cell to make that arrangement you have to insulate the bolts you are holding the thing together with really good or you will have a direct short and the cell will not work I will describe how to build a really nice cell for good production that needs no insulation but might need a zip tie or two to keep the plates separated. ( keep in mind I haven't built this cell it's just an idea I had) using 4"x6" stainless steel plates 20 of them and 2 1/4" threaded rods about 8" long or so ( long enough so you can get 10 plates on it with a stainless steel nut between each one....how ever long that needs to be and have about 2" over hang on the end.... drill 1/4" holes in the center of the width and about 1/8" away from the edge on each plate and assemble the first half of the cell by putting the threaded rod through the hole of the plate and a nut on either side of it near one end of the rod... add the next plate and another nut and keep doing that until you have all 10 plates on the threaded rod line up all the plates and snug up all the nuts half the cell is done..... now make another one of those using the same method. now these 2 pieces can inter mesh with each other and the plate spacing will be very small, which is what we want ! now those threaded rods need to be attached to something solid so they won't move , I suggest a 1" piece of thick white plastic or plexy glass don't use black plastic as it has an electrical resistance that will rob electric power. once you mount the 2 threaded rods to the Plexiglas seperator you might make another one for the other end of the threaded rods to help keep them at the same distance. this is all well and good and the cell is almost complete as long as the plates do not touch and the odds of that are very high that some will be touching so you get some white zip ties and force them under the plate that wants to touch and that will keep them from touching. you don't have to do all the plates that way only the ones that are not cooperating !now check the threaded rods with a VTOM meter for continuity between them, there should be NONE ! once No continuity is achieved the cell is ready to be used .... the problem with this design is it's shape it's a "long rectangle" and it's hard to find a container that it would fit into and be air tight ( it MUST be air tight) you could make your own container from 1/4" plexiglass or use a tupper-ware container ! just remember it has to hold acid and you don't want that to leak ! you simply mount the cell in the container and make a hose connector to collect the gas from a vinyl tube. the easiest method is to mount the cell onto the lid of the container and add a hose bib to the lid as well.... fill the container with distilled water and add some KOH or several packets of Lemmon aid Kool-Aid to the water the amount of electrolyte (KOH or kool-aid) you add to the water determines how much amperage you will draw so so accordingly to draw 20 amps it takes alot of electrolyte to draw 40amps the water has to be at the saturation point with the electrolyte. meaning adding more electrolyte makes no change in amp draw. so there is a point at which you cannot go beyond in production because you cannot get anymore amps into the cell ! that is why if you want more HHO you have to run more cells. .... now that you have a HHO cell water and electrolyte you can hook up a battery to the cell ( through an amp gauge) and actually see it work... using just water it will barely bubble or make a cloud of tiny bubbles but not be really productive at all the electrolyte really changes that it will transform the water into a rolling boil ! but that gas it is making is extremely explosive so safety precautions are needed.... you now need a bubbler ! a bubbler is a way to keep the flame from entering the production chamber and blowing up the cell it is made by using a 24" piece of PVC pipe with a cap on one end and a red "POP off cap "or removable plug on the other and 2 nylon hose bibs put into the side of the pipe one at side of the bottom and one at the top's side so you can stand the pipe upright run a vinyl hose from the cell container to the bottom of the bubbler ( make sure the water in the bubbler will not back flow into the cell by raising the hose above the top of the bubbler (you'll need a fairly long hose for that)) container and from the bubbler to a pan of water with a bit of dish soap in it just for fun.... then you can light the bubbles and you will realise why this stuff is dangerous ! a 50 cent piece size bubble will be like a shot gun blast ! and you do NOT want to ignite that large voluum in the HHO cell or the top of the bubbler !!! .... that's a quick to make HHO cell keep in mind you NEVER want to use a glass jar as a cell holder it will shatter and cover you with glass... if your lucky , if your unlucky send you to the hospital with a shard of glass stuck in your eye ! ...it's not worth it...use plastic ! and use a removable plumbing cap for the 2" pipe in the bubbler those things are great put it on snuggly and you don't have to worry about it if the flame travels up the hose ( and it will) it will ignite the HHO voluum in the top of the bubbler and blow that cap off the top with a kaboom.!!! so keep that voluum small by keeping the water about 1/2" below the upper hose connector ! that still a large volume of HHO gas ! but it is small compared to the cell container. .... Bob... __________________________________________________ Its too late when you've gone too far !