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Sounds to me that your mind is made up--so nobody on this forum can confuse you with facts. I did the parenting route with two very intelligent teen agers. I always held the line and the kids always knew where I stood--In short, I was consistant. Consequences were always crystal clear. The result is that both kids--now 35 and 40 are exceptionally sucessful people who can afford all the whistles and bells. Son races a Vette and does quite well. If he wanted to get a bike he would--but I am sure he would go about it in a much more responsible manner than what you are choosing---he would consider his wife in the decision. You are not considering anybody. It`s all about you. No point reasoning with a rock.
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