March 19th, 2011, 03:08 PM | #1 |
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Speed/RPM
I am wondering if this seems right. I have a 2011 250R and when I am in 6th gear traveling at 40mph is it right for the bike to be at about 6RMP's? It seems high to me. I obviously know that I can't shift again. When I get to highway speeds of 55+ I'm assuming I'll be running at 8 or 9RPM's...is this normal? Do these bikes run high like that? I'm new to this so I just want to make sure....
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March 19th, 2011, 03:14 PM | #2 |
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In 6th gear @7500 rpms im at ~60mph indicated on the speedo. I'm sure everyone will chime in and attest that you will be that high, I mean the bike gets fun at 8000+ rpms.
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March 19th, 2011, 03:26 PM | #3 |
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Yea, it's a small engine so rpms will definitely be high (redline is over 13k). If you're going freeway/highway, chances are you'll be 10-11k. Most of the power kicks in above 9k as well.
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March 19th, 2011, 03:27 PM | #4 |
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the 250 loves revving and what you are seeing is perfectly normal. get used to it and enjoy it. zoom...
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March 19th, 2011, 03:53 PM | #5 |
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I only run at red-line!
Not really but doesn't it sound cool.
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March 19th, 2011, 04:27 PM | #6 |
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am I the only one who is never going 40 in 6th gear?
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March 19th, 2011, 04:36 PM | #7 |
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Hi, Nicole! Welcome to ninjette.org. These bikes aren't happy until 6k RPMs, and riders most don't even shift until 7-8k for casual riding, 8-9k in twisties. Not at all uncommon to get up to 10 or 11k, as that is where you get the peak horsepower. Just don't do that during the break in period. Here is the Ninjette's power curve, with the red line being the stock pipes:
If you want to have some fun, check out the Ninja Speed Calculator. Here is another Ninja Speed Calculator. According to the calculators (though built for old gen, it should be close), you should be at 7100 RPMs in 6th when your speedo indicates 60mph. At 6000 RPMs in 6th, you should be going 50. You may notice that the calculator shows "real" vs. "indicated" speed. Yup, your ninjetted exaggerates how fast you are going by about 8%.
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March 19th, 2011, 04:48 PM | #8 | |
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So to answer your question 6k rpm for 40 mph in 6th gear is high. However 40 mph @6k rpm in 5th gear is more in the ball park. The 250 ninja is a high revving lil beast it will do well at hwy speeds in the 8k range, but if you grow tired of the high speed buzz, a sprocket change is probably in order. I suggest a 15/42 or 15/41 gear set up. This will make the bike run at lower rpms, slightly improve mpg, make the bike ride longer in any given gear, and takes advantage of the available HP the bike has without always riding WOT. Doing the sprocket change (15/42) will make the speedo read 70 mph @ 7k rpms. Your actual speed will be 65.2 mph. Stock gearing the speedo would be 69/70mph( indicated) @ 8k rpm. Actual 65 mph. You can use this calculator to check any sprocket combos. For rear wheel size check other then put in 75.92 in the circumference box. Type in sprocket size, rpm and gear. http://ninja250.kingston.net/speed.html If you feel the bike is still running high for an indicated gear speed. Have the dealer check it. it could be a faulty IC igniter. They will be able to check what the actual rpm output is against what the tachometer is reading. Last futzed with by DaBlue1; March 19th, 2011 at 07:26 PM. |
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March 19th, 2011, 05:12 PM | #9 |
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this bike loves 80mph@ 11k rpm and can stay there all day, it loves you back for it. it's actually just cruising there, no matter what sound is, (so many pipe systems).
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March 19th, 2011, 05:52 PM | #10 |
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In 6th for me my Tach is 1500rps over speed. So 60 puts me at 7500 or so. What is your idle speed set at?
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March 19th, 2011, 07:51 PM | #11 |
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I just started riding and I am always cruising between 6-7 grand. Is that too high to be cruising at? Anything above 7 sounds too high. I understand people say they shift at high rpms, but what about cruising?
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March 19th, 2011, 07:59 PM | #12 |
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I have a 15/42 setup and I cruise in that range alot. For me that is 55-65 mph. it is like the comfort zone on my bike. On a real good day around 9k feels real sweet as well. if you look at your tach, your bike is only at 1/2 its max capability.
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March 19th, 2011, 08:52 PM | #13 |
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I run from 7k up. When I take off in first I take it up to 10-11 befor I shift and hardly ever drop under 7 k unless I am stoping lol. Our bikes are ment to run that high and in that rpm range. Have trust and faith in that little parallel twin it loves to rev high and scream. The engine can take it just have to get use to it is all.
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March 19th, 2011, 09:00 PM | #14 | |
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March 19th, 2011, 09:49 PM | #15 |
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Thanks everyone for the info! Looks like Monday is the next time Ill have it out. Only gonna be 40 tomorrow with rain! Monday it'll be a whopping 50 lol
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March 31st, 2011, 02:47 AM | #16 |
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I have mine set at 15/41 gearing and just as DaBlue1 said it is roughly 1K RPM to 10MPH.
At 70MPH I run 7K RPM on my gauges or fairly close to that but I have alot of power left to go as fast as I need. Took it to 100MPH already and it was just starting to stretch its legs running at 10K RPM. However the flip side is that you will be a little slower taking off from a stop. I am fairly light so my bike does not struggle taking off. Saves me alot on gas too.
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April 4th, 2011, 08:23 AM | #17 | |
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April 27th, 2011, 01:02 PM | #18 |
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Ours got 43/14 on the front sprocket... Maybe they changed the gearing slightly on the fuel injected model.
Mine has a slightly smaller diameter tyre (150-60-17), but I should get: Code:
Gear RPM@60 RPM@80 RPM@100 RPM@120 1 12826 17101 21376 25652 2 8827 11770 14712 17655 3 6951 9268 11585 13902 4 5722 7630 9537 11445 5 4933 6577 8222 9866 6 4404 5873 7341 8809 mph 37.5 50 63 75 Last futzed with by Pyro; April 27th, 2011 at 02:47 PM. |
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April 27th, 2011, 01:10 PM | #19 |
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sigh......
15/45 here - 85mph (indicated) at 9k rpm all freaking day...... like others have said, this is where our bikes are MOST happy. ride it like you stole it............and enjoy |
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April 28th, 2011, 03:25 PM | #20 |
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I didn't do it. I ordered the parts and had the motorcycle shop install it.
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April 29th, 2011, 08:26 AM | #21 |
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no notice in powerband change until 7k or higher, Nicole give a ride report after you have had some fun red lining. Did you feel you had better response/throttle control like I do in high revs? The throttle is your most important riding control play with the diff rpm's in the same gear and you will see.
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March 6th, 2013, 04:41 PM | #22 |
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So f***ing annoyed right now!
So I have been to 2 dealers that say my rpm/speed range is normal, the hell it is!! At 60mph the tach is showing 8900k....WTF do I do! Call Kawasaki? Dealer just told me to change to a 15t sprocket if I don't like it. Well if I do that (just to get the RPM's to normal range) I als have to buy new chain and new rear sprocket to make the wear even. Anyone else riding at these rpm's on their 2012 250r? or am I the only one?
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March 6th, 2013, 04:46 PM | #24 |
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March 6th, 2013, 04:51 PM | #25 |
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Plus when it is cold out or i am just starting out my ride the rpm's are about 100ok lower than what i normally see (Prob right where they should be) asked the dealer about the cdi, he said that they haven't seen that issue with the 2012's. Well ****...how about checking it a-hole. The won't even check the things that i feel are wrong with it. I even have the extended warranty, I know they dont get paid for warranty work, but this sucks if I have to play through hoops with Kawasaki just to get one of their dealers to play fairly. I depend on this bike to get to work everyday, can't afford for something to be wrong with it, especially when it is brand new. harumph
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March 6th, 2013, 04:53 PM | #26 |
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At 50MPH -80MPH I'm usually at an RPm = 100x my speed. after 80MPH its about 1.5-2x my speed ascending according to speed.
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March 6th, 2013, 05:03 PM | #27 |
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March 6th, 2013, 05:39 PM | #28 | |
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What you need to do is call, write or e-mail Kawasaki Consumer Services. Tell them you have an extended warranty on a 2012 Kawasaki Ninja 250 that has a faulty tachometer and no dealer will fix it or trouble shoot it. Demand that they remedy the situation by contacting a local dealer that will. You need to take them proof the tach is faulty. Inquire of Kawasaki what the exact RPM reading should be for 60 mph. And see what they say. Some one has to answer you. Mailing Address: Attn: Consumer Services Kawasaki Motors Corp., U.S.A. PO Box 25252 Santa Ana, CA 92799-5252 Our Consumer Services Department is also available at (866) 802-9381. Our hours are Monday-Friday 8:00-5:00 Pacific Time. http://www.kawasaki.com/OurCompany/ContactUs.aspx 15/41 or 15/42 sprockets will get you to run approx 60 mph(indicated) @ 6000 rpms Use Gearing Commander to find various information on gearing for your bike. |
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March 6th, 2013, 07:37 PM | #29 |
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Thank you blue, I will be contacting them asap.
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March 8th, 2013, 05:51 PM | #30 |
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March 8th, 2013, 07:25 PM | #31 |
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March 8th, 2013, 07:35 PM | #32 |
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9k seems high, i have stock gearing but i know nothing about whats high or low, i thought my 10k at 80 was high. Maybe is your speedo really off? Drive next to a 07+ civic and look through the window lol to check your speed, or get a GPS
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March 8th, 2013, 07:35 PM | #33 |
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I don't know if you are the only one.
I know that your clutch is slipping. Are you sure that the clutch cable is lubricated and has some slack?
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March 8th, 2013, 08:01 PM | #34 |
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March 8th, 2013, 08:06 PM | #35 |
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Dealer said clutch is good when I took it in. The rpm isn't bouncing around, like its slipping, just high for the speed I am going
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March 8th, 2013, 08:18 PM | #36 |
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If your tachometer and speedometer are working properly, the dealer was wrong.
At 9K rpm, your bike should be doing 70~75 mph. From the pistons to the rear wheel, the link is solid as a rock, except for the clutch, where some slip can occur for several reasons. The most common reason is improper adjustment, which keep some pressure on the pusher bar and don't allow the discs to press to each other all the way. Other reasons are bad oil, weak springs and warped discs. You need to verify that the clutch cable is not putting any pressure on the lever by the clutch cover after the hand lever is released.
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March 8th, 2013, 08:27 PM | #37 | |
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Damn I am a newb with this ****. I .mp3 that I have the right amount of play in my clutchlever, are you talking about the adjustment down by the actual clutch on the engine? |
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March 8th, 2013, 08:35 PM | #38 |
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The regulation by the hand lever should be sufficient to get the proper play.
I was referring to the lever that enters the clutch cover. That lever should have some play when the cable is not pulled up by hand. Sometimes the play at the hand lever is correct, but the cable needs lubrication and does not release that bottom lever completely. Please, check these links out: http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/Lubing_the_cables http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/Adjusting_the_clutch_cable
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March 8th, 2013, 08:56 PM | #40 |
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Your are welcome
Yes, please, check the play and lube the cable and report back to see if that solves the rpm's issue. Best !
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