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Dont know if you got it taken care of yet, but when I had rash on my arm I just cut the end of a tube sock off and slipped it on my arm.
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one more question which i'm not sure has been answered, how much gear do you wear? i'm not talking about a sandwich run, but when going cross country for example. Quote:
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"a", i guess what i'm trying to say here is that when you make comments like "gear is optional" and "gear makes people more willing to take risks" it sounds like you're encouraging people to ride without gear. obviously you ride with gear. so it makes me wonder why you would encourage such a thing, if you actually are?
like you agreed with, you can't prevent all accidents, so why would you say it's ok to take the chance of losing your skin when you can prevent it? if that's not what you're saying, what are you saying? please, enlighten us.
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July 24th, 2011, 10:09 AM | #84 |
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It's always hilarious to read/hear what people have to say to try and justify why they ride without gear with reasoning besides "I just don't feel like it".
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I ride with gear when I feel the need to, I ride without gear when I know I do not take unnecessary risks and be cautious of my surroundings. I don't advocate riding without gear, but I don't badger people who make their choice not to wear gear neither. I don't like self-righteous people who think their way is the only way. I state what I do, what works for me and let people decide for themselves what they should do. I never said I could prevent all accident, that's the last draw; you're on the ignore list now. |
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maybe if you would actually read what i said originally you would see what i wrote.
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July 24th, 2011, 10:45 AM | #93 |
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I'm glad you lived to tell the tale. I'm only MOTGATT and wouldn't go any less. My brother is part of a "stunters" mc and well, let's just say they don't have the same type of policy. I wished my brother would wise up, but he's dumb like that.
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July 24th, 2011, 05:01 PM | #96 |
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They told us jeans would be good enough protection for a crash... my cousin said otherwise when they were picking denim out of his melted ass... The MSF course is very biased when it comes to gear. We spent less than 10 minutes talking about it. They said buy a jacket for winter because it's cold and buy a helmet bc it is illegal to not have one. Idiots indeed.
Sorry to hear about your crash man, just don't be like my buddy and keep hoping back on with no gear. You are better off betting you'll crash again, so prepare for it, wear that gear you spent your hard-earned cash on! Glad to hear you are ok though, have a speedy recovery sir!
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July 24th, 2011, 05:59 PM | #97 | |
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Just sayin', just sounds like you are putting words in people's mouths. I think the idea A is presenting here is that one would rather ride passenger seat gearless with a cautious person driving, rather than having full gear with a risky person driving. Gear will only protect you so much, one of my friends is an EMT and he told me when I got my bike that out of all the motorcycle accidents he's come across, a helmet only saved one person over 60mph; unless you wanna wear one of these, http://images.motorcycle-superstore....Neck-Brace.jpg, it wont make too much difference whether you have a helmet on or not because the impact is gonna shatter your C-spine into pieces; and if that happens and by the grace of God you are not dead, you will be paralyzed for the rest of your life. Btw he has been an EMT ever since I was a little kid. So i'm sure he's seen his fair share of motorcyclist accidents. You have true, valid points Alex, that doesn't mean that A is wrong though. Same goes to A. But that is just my opinion I suppose
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the fact is we're talking about two seperate things; a) taking risky maneuvers on a motorcycle and, b) trying to minimize reprecussions of an accident by wearing gear. they're often times positively correlated, but the fact is, they are seperate issues. people drive dangerously with and without gear. but people will always reduce potential injuries they may encounter (whether or not they are taking risks) by wearing proper gear. you don't have to be taking risks to have someone fly through a blind red light. you don't have to be taking risks to have someone make a left hand turn into you. you don't have to be taking risks to have someone have a front left blowout and accidentally swerve into your lane on a single lane each-way highway. gear, however, will always help reduce injuries. Quote:
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Does your DOT article mention any speed-specific crashes? Because I think I did. He didn't say in all his years being an EMT a helmet didn't help anybody, he just before cautioned me to always wear my helmet bc it will save my life. Following that we were talking about high speed accidents. I think somebody's first hand experience in roughly 20 years of scraping motorcyclists off the pavement qualifies him to share his advice and knowledge about the situation. As long as we are staying realistic, do you think that hardshell with Styrofoam and fabric lining is gonna do anything for your c-spine (neck and upper spine) when you slam into a car or pavement or anything at 60mph? GEAR WILL ONLY PROTECT YOU SO MUCH!!! I wear full gear everytime I leave the house, it may save my life, but it may not; don't rely on it, use your head and be cautious of whats going on around you. If you wanna talk statistics, bud, you need to asses the boundaries of the study. The comment, "here are some real statistics" is true, but for someone who wants to cry, "two separate issues" it is kind of ironic you would throw me statistics that don't apply to only 60mph crashes and onward; especially since I said what will kill you at those speeds is a neck injury, i didnt say the helmet wouldnt protect your head, I said it wont make much of a difference. i think it is pretty safe to assume that a lot of that 37% is attributed to lower speed crashes and accidents, i think it would be safe to say that higher speeds will yield a lower percentage of survivors.
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the point that i've been trying to make is that you don't have to put your life on one or the other. you can always choose to wear gear whether or not you choose to drive recklessly or take risks. if you break your spine in an accident, chances are you probably would not have a head in one piece if you weren't wearing a helmet in that same accident. so you're right, its possible to still sustain fatal injuries while wearing gear. however my point that gear will almost always reduce injuries still stands. there is no point not wearing gear, and there is no point suggesting to others that it's not a bad idea for them to do so. to do otherwise in my opinion (how ever "high and mighty" "A" thinks it is) is detrimental to the motorcycling community at large.
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Your 'opinion' of 'motorcycling community at large' does not nearly describe the motorcycling community in the world. In reality, majority of motorcycling community worldwide do not have motorcycles, traffic patterns nor roads that allow travel speeds that exceed much more than 50-60 kph. Among the members of this forum, your opinion may be true, we all speed and likely have nicely paved roads that allow us to ride aggressively beyond our abilities. But do not assume that to be the rest of the world. Most motorcycle riders worldwide, can not afford to have a helmet let along ride ATGATT. Of course, if you have never ridden your motorcycle or motorcycle travel outside of your own country, you would never know what 'motorcycling community at large' really consist of minority of riders who ride with helmet. When common sense of riding/driving cautiously, following traffic laws and maintain a safe traveling distance according to your speed is out the window, of course you rely on wearing gear to 'survive' in case of an accident. But accidents are not likely to occur in the first place if most people just do as mentioned. Gears only work when accidents occur. IMO, that's like saying 'loud pipes save lives', imagine what paying attention and knowing how to avoid accidents would do? BTW, I see "A" answered quite a few of Alex's questions, but Alex S have failed to answer questions about his own post/accident.. what's the deal? |
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or maybe you're talking about another question? and you're right, i misspoke and shouldn't speak for other continents where the same thing still holds true, but let me rephrase; wearing gear benefits the motorcycling community, and the perception of motorcyclists as being safe riders. at very least on the quarter of the planet that i live in. better? btw, loud pipes don't protect your head from smashing against the pavement. helmets do. if you don't understand that difference perhaps you should do some more research about gear.
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Were you wearing jeans when you had your accident?
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motorized 2-wheel vehicle operators, not just motorcyclists. How many scooter accidents have you witnessed personally, really? I'd like to know, give a number.. and how many of those accidents have riders wearing full gear that avoided injuries? How many sustained injuries from scooter accidents have you seen that are worse than motorcycle accidents at 50 mph or above? I've seen dozens of scooter accidents overseas during service, never a casualty, most of them just dust themselves off and rode off within seconds, didn't even check if their scooter suffer any damage, much less themselves. Quote:
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following within safe distance or worse not knowing your machine's full capabilities to avoid accidents. Wearing gear does not prevent accidents from happening, but being cautious, keeping safe distance, knowing your surroundings and how to control your vehicle at all times will help you avoid accidents. Personally, being aware of my surroundings and knowing how to maneuver my bike gets me out of accidents every single day, with or without helmet or gear. Quote:
mouth' again. I said gear only work when you have an accident. Incidents and statistics you present have not relation to topic nor sources to back up your claims, lame. Quote:
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Your quarter of the planet think you are right even when you're not. How' bout that for perception? Your quarter of the planet also have little idea of what really goes on in the rest of the world, live sheltered lives and consider how you function the way the rest of the world functions, that's ignorance. List some reasons why 'wearing gear benefits the motorcycling community' If a rider rides like a maniac wearing full gear, does that rider benefits the motorcycling community? or just another typical motorcyclist that people seem to have a stigma of being dangerous motorcyclist? Quote:
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I second this statement.
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Don't waste your time, this logic means nothing Alex.
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i havent read much of this thread, just too much to read! however....
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i live in a country where the BIG majority of people ride scooters, and by big i mean possibly 150 million people, lol... i hotestly dont see the difference between crashing a bike and a scooter. obviously someone driving a bigger bike, say these 250's and up. can reach higher speeds faster, but also often drive generally at faster speed than scooters, since its so stable and it feels safe. as a comparison, when im driving 80~ km/h on my girlfriends scooter, it feels like when im doing 145~ km/h on the ninja. generally i drive faster on the ninja, mainly because it drives more stable and gives me the impression that its safe. anyhow, back to the scooter thing. they did a survey here in Bali, which is an island inhabited by around 4 million people i think (plus the tourists). and they came up with quite some shocking numbers: Beritabali.com has tracked vehicular accidents in Bali from March through May 2011. Based on data supplied by the Bali traffic police, in March, 248 people died, 54 suffered serious injuries and 248 were superficially wounded. In the following month of April, 244 people were killed, 54 severely injured and 227 suffered minor injuries. Then in May, 286 people died, 57 sustained serious injuries and 303 were slightly injured. article here: http://www.balidiscovery.com/message...ge.asp?Id=7219 i would say about 80~90% of the people driving 2 wheel vehicles here drive scooters... the fact that almost none wear protective clothes (most cant afford it which is true, since wages here are seriously small, but a lot of the ppl do wear thin jackets, hoodies, windbreakers, which in a low speed crash can help). it is obligatory to wear a helmet here, HOWEVER almost no one does them up, which pisses me of so much. almost every time i see an accident i see the person lying on one end of the road, and their helmet is somewhere totally different. oh, and on top of it, a lot of ppl dont bother to even wear helmets when they just drive around their village. again accidents can happen anywhere, and casualties happen that way. on top of it, there is a misconception that scooters are "slow". that is totally false, ive seen modded scooters do almost 100mph. and regardless, you can easily die getting into an accident driving MUCH slower than that. specially when its an accident involving a car, truck, wall, tree, etc. thats my 2 cents... and i agree with wearing as much protective gear as possible, although i dont wear full gear on the everyday basis myself tbh... which i always regret when i come off the bike, lol. on the daily commute i wear gloves, armored jacket, and my latest helmet, a Nolan N103 N-Com. i always wear long pants, but not riding pants, just TOO hot here in the tropics, and i dont want to keep changing my pants, and uh.... Birkenstock, lol! too hot for shoes however, when i go on a bike tour/ride, i always wear shoes, and also my knee protectors, that look something like this: even with my normal gear, i get funny looks from most people, and if they get a chance to comment, usually they say "isnt it HOT in all the gear?" sigh~... to which i reply, "its 1000 times more bearable than road rash", lol
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I still have scars from a 15mph parking lot lowside 2 years ago.... The last and only time I didn't wear my jacket...
Glad to hear you survived. Keep your head up and ATGATT
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Did you personally witness that accident?
You were in Taiwan at some point in your life? Anyone can pull a video from Youtube and claim that you've been there and know what happened. BTW, no amount of gear is going to save that rider from injury. He wasn't paying attention of the car running a red light, the driver of the car was not paying attention to the red light, Rider was likely to have been traveling at higher speed than the speed limit. Combination of all that and more allowed the accident to occur, rider not wearing gear did not cause that accident. Quote:
Because you did not have full control of your vehicle that's why you had your accident. I have no problem looking like an ass because I'm right, you're the one that's looking like a dumba$$ misinterpreting others' postings. Definitely for you, if you do not value being caution as much as wearing gear. Ignore list you go. |
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TWO lanes; he is in the RIGHT lane with NO ONE in front of him. To his right is a wall blocking any further movement to the right. To his left in the LEFT lane are two cars one behind the other. The first one brakes hard so that the second car that's in the LEFT lane jumps into the RIGHT lane right on top of him on his bike. He was completely in control of his bike at all times in the RIGHT lane. What he was not in control of were the idiots in the cars in the LEFT lane. The only innocent party here is him on his bike in the RIGHT lane, in complete control of his vehicle. The two cars in the LEFT lane are guilty of multiple counts of stupidity that lead to the accident: following too closely, sudden hard braking, lane shifting w/o looking or clearing blind spots. His only fault: being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I hope this helps clear things up a bit. Actually you are not right since you yourself are a victim of what you accused him of. You were not there, you didn't see it happen, you weren't involved, and yet you act like you have intimate knowledge of the incident and that it was him who was at fault. I suggest you read more closely next time and try working on your visualization skills so that you may avoid this from happening again in the future. |
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In response to Wayanlam in Bali, I never said that scooters are slow.. but realistically how often do you get to travel 100 mph on a scooter in daily traffic of Bali? With the population & traffic density of Bali, do you really need 50 mph to have casualties in traffic accidents (with or without gear)? |
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