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View Poll Results: How do you prefer to cut the engine? | |||
toggle the cut-off switch | 95 | 45.24% | |
turn the ignition key to off | 84 | 40.00% | |
put the kickstand down | 15 | 7.14% | |
no preference (use all 3 interchangeably) | 16 | 7.62% | |
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July 17th, 2009, 06:14 PM | #41 |
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July 17th, 2009, 06:22 PM | #42 |
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If you are putting the kickstand down while in gear, that will turn off the bike.
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July 18th, 2009, 01:43 AM | #43 |
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Yes, none of us are suggesting you use the kill switch and leave the bloody key in the bike ignition. That would just be stupid. What we're saying is we were taught by the MSF course to use the kill switch to turn off the engine first, then turn the power key off. I think it also had to do with how the power in the system works and not just for emergency reasons. If you wanna just kill the engine with the switch and leave your key in and turned to on so that anybody can come by and steal your bike, by all means do so. Just be prepared to lose your bike and probably not get any help from your insurance.
You know, oddly enough on my bike I can put it in gear with the kickstand down w/o it killing the engine. It's not until I try to release the clutch that it actually kills the engine if the kickstand is still down. Maybe it's just a difference from the older to the newer ninjettes. If I have the clutch in and put it in gear with the stand down, it doesn't do anything. Start to release the clutch and off it goes even before hitting the friction zone. |
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July 18th, 2009, 06:11 AM | #44 | |||
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Also, to leave the key in intentionally would be stupid, but it's far easier to do accidentally if you didn't remove it when killing the engine (instead of the switch). It hard to unknowingly walk away from a bike that's still running! I habitually lock my forks and remove the key then, but it hasn't kept me from thinking I had already done it and pocketed the keys a couple times when I had not. |
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July 18th, 2009, 03:11 PM | #45 |
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September 13th, 2011, 02:04 PM | #46 |
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Preferred engine cut-off method?
I know there are several ways to cut the engine when I've arrived at my destination, but I've always wondered if there's a 'correct' way to do it. I.E. is there a way that's better for the engine.
Between the cut-off switch, turning the key to off, and putting down the kickstand which method do you use to kill the engine? |
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September 13th, 2011, 02:15 PM | #47 |
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Wow, two of you kill the engine just by putting the sidestand down while the bike is in gear? :O
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September 13th, 2011, 02:17 PM | #48 |
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September 13th, 2011, 02:29 PM | #49 |
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I always turn the key off because I read where the kill switch wears out quickly. Not sure if that's true but that's how I roll...
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September 13th, 2011, 02:40 PM | #50 |
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I just turn it off whatever way is most expedient. Kickstand is my usual method, im in first gear already so just kick it down, engine stops, then i get my key and head off.
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September 13th, 2011, 02:42 PM | #51 |
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Been there, done that, had the change of skivvies for it. Repeatedly.
Had the engine just shut off a few times while coasting down BIG hills. One time was with the speedo showing 95mph, coasting. Turned out to be crud in the clutch lever switch breaking the electrical contact while it vibrated. Still very much a not-so-fun experience, esp when I can't hear the engine idle over the wind noise. But just rev-match to where I should be, make sure I'm in 6th and slowly let the clutch back in. Re: main topic, I haven't heard anything about the cut-off switches dying early, but I imagine it would just be a contact getting cruddy. If anything, I'd expect them to fail from lack of use due to corrosion.
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September 13th, 2011, 03:09 PM | #52 |
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I use whichever is most convenient at the time, usually I just put the kickstand down when I stop and hop off.
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September 13th, 2011, 03:13 PM | #53 | |
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September 13th, 2011, 03:15 PM | #54 |
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Kickstand and key. Usually kickstand though. I think I've used the kill switch maybe 2 or 3 times since I've owned it, and that was when I was adjusting the headlight...
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September 13th, 2011, 03:24 PM | #55 |
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key lock mechanism is stuck on my 636 so i use the killswitch
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September 13th, 2011, 03:26 PM | #56 |
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Wow. Maybe I'm just a geezer but I would never trust the kickstand sensor to kill the bike in gear all the time. It would never, EVER, have occurred to me to reliably turn off the bike this way. Not judging -- it just seems like a lot could go wrong if the sensor got road gunk in it or etc.
In all my years of riding, I've had many kickstand sensors fail for various reasons and never once had a kill switch fail. YMMV, of course. *shrug*
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September 13th, 2011, 05:22 PM | #57 | |
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September 13th, 2011, 06:47 PM | #58 |
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I usually just put the kickstand down while stopped because both places I mainly park (work and home) are on slight inclines.
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September 13th, 2011, 06:53 PM | #59 | |
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September 13th, 2011, 07:10 PM | #60 |
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The bikes turn off???? Now you tell me....I always just left it running. I'm gonna try this; bet it'll save me lots of money on gas!
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September 13th, 2011, 07:12 PM | #61 |
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I put the three are interchangeable, but I honestly almost never use the key to shut off the engine.
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September 13th, 2011, 07:17 PM | #62 |
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I always turn off the key and usually leave the kill switch on so it doesn't wear out. If I'm parked in a public place where people may try and steal it I turn off the kill switch. Honestly I'm not sure what doing that would accomplish considering you have to have the keys to start it and anyone smart enough to hotwire it would also know that the kill switch had to be on... I guess it's just my stupid OCD doing the work for me
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September 13th, 2011, 07:32 PM | #63 |
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I use the ignition switch and always lock the handle bars when off the bike. Have tested the kill switch and kickstand for proper operation but it's not my main means to kill the engine.
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September 13th, 2011, 07:36 PM | #64 |
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Kickstand usually. It's the lazy way.
Kill switch sometimes. Key never. I've never heard of a kill switch 'wearing out,' and I have had to replace an ignition (key) switch. The contacts wore down, and didn't make good contact... The ignition switch was expensive, and on the ninja it is intentionally difficult to remove... |
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September 13th, 2011, 08:11 PM | #65 |
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Thumb -> key -> valve
That's what I was taught repeatedly at the BRC. But I have been told it's best to use the key and not play with the kill switch.
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September 13th, 2011, 08:15 PM | #66 |
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I use kickstand..
Have to put the kickstand down anyway.. if the engine turns off before I hit the killswitch (it always does) then thats that |
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September 13th, 2011, 08:29 PM | #67 |
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I use the kill switch. That's how MSF taught me, so that's what I'll continue to do
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September 13th, 2011, 08:34 PM | #68 |
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I've honestly never cared which method I use. Normally it's probably the kickstand for me, I don't see any reason for concern if you use this method and keep the clutch in like I always do anyway. Second would be the killswitch, I've heard a little bit about these things wearing out, but I also remember reading a post by Alex (at least I'm fairly certain it was Alex...) saying that the switch is no more/less reliable than the ignition, so I've never really cared. Last would be the key, I do use this one, but not often to stop, my HID's have some problems and they sometimes cut out when I hit a bump in hot weather, only way to turn them back on at speed is to hold the clutch in, and turn the key off and back on really quick.
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September 13th, 2011, 08:38 PM | #69 |
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September 13th, 2011, 08:43 PM | #70 |
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I don't think there's anything wrong with it.
I've seen a video of a guy saying that you should always use your key and to not mess with the killswitch unless you absolutely need to (emergencies) but I don't see the problem in using it. I'll be doing what the MSF taught me. I guess it's just a safety precaution to use both. The engine won't start if the switch is in the off position, right? i really don't remember. it's been about a month since I passed.
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September 13th, 2011, 08:45 PM | #71 |
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Today I decided to see what would happen if I held the front brake and dropped the clutch. Bike leaped forward about a foot and stopped. Now you know.
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September 13th, 2011, 08:50 PM | #72 |
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My Shutdown procedure:
Killswitch > Key > Clutch > Kickstand In that order, how we were taught in motorcycle school. |
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September 14th, 2011, 03:11 AM | #74 |
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I didn't think it was all that difficult when I first stole my bike.
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September 14th, 2011, 03:48 AM | #75 | |
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I understand why some MSF classes (not mine) say to use the killswitch -- if you get in the habit it will be more automatic to use it in emergency. More importantly, the kill switch method keeps you accidentally from letting go of the clutch and jumping forward if you forget to put the bike in neutral and let off the clutch. No temptation to take hands from the clutch or front brake to get the key, so you have all your levers covered when the bike turns off. From an MSF perspective teaching noobs, this is probably least likely to result in bad things happening. But I've been doing this long enough I know darn well where it the kill switch is and when to use it, and not to clutch out while stopped in first. So, to me, using the kill switch is maybe a good thing for a beginning rider, and maybe evidence of good habits, but I prefer not to add an extra step to my shutdown procedure. Turning off the bike with the kickstand, that is just amateurish. It is a safety feature to keep you from driving off with the stand down and eating pavement. Turning off the bike that way smacks of "oops, I'm a noob, forgot." Even if you are doing it on purpose, I vote embarrassing.
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September 14th, 2011, 04:13 AM | #76 |
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I used to shut the bike off using the kill switch as I was taught in the MSF class. But after reading another post on a similar topic it got me looking through the Ninja owner's manual. Kawasaki's recommended shut off was to use the key to turn the ignition off.
Not that I'm a stickler for following the rules, but that's the shut down procedure I follow now. And I just leave the kill switch in the "On" position. |
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September 14th, 2011, 04:16 AM | #77 |
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I use the key because I don't have a kickstand switch.
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September 14th, 2011, 05:03 AM | #78 |
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I use the kill switch. That's how I was taught in the msf class so it just stuck with me. Plus it allows me to cut the engine while I'm backing into my parking spot. I can also cut the engine as I'm rolling into the garage since we have bedrooms over the garage and I don't like to release exhaust fumes in there.
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September 14th, 2011, 07:00 AM | #79 |
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I've always used the key. Though I"ve been aware that the kickstand shuts the engine down, I thought it was more of a precaution for not riding away with it down. I never knew people actually used it to turn off the engine on a regular basis. Well, I've learnt something today.
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September 14th, 2011, 11:29 AM | #80 |
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Me either.
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