March 9th, 2012, 05:30 PM | #1 |
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Philosophical question
If a "bad" guy and a "good" guy get in a fight, and the bad guy prevails because he had superior fighting tools, does that mean the bad guy's win makes him right? In other words, how important is intent compared to outcome?
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March 9th, 2012, 05:58 PM | #2 |
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March 9th, 2012, 06:11 PM | #3 |
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Exactly. When people fight, they both believe themselves to be in the right. Right or wrong is all subjective.
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March 9th, 2012, 06:49 PM | #4 |
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depends on the game, and the audience.
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March 9th, 2012, 07:37 PM | #5 |
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my definition of a "good" guy wouldn't have gotten himself into a fight.
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March 10th, 2012, 01:09 AM | #6 |
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If said good guy was cornered and felt the need to defend himself, that would be a different situation. To what extent he defends himself, that can determine good and bad as well.
Then again, the good guy is a simple matter of point of view. If someone supports one guy, then that guy becomes "good" in his/her eyes, while the other becomes bad, and vice versa. To me there is no good or bad in a fight, especially when egos are involved. To me two big egos that clash in a physical way, they are both in the wrong, both bad. I suppose I speak from my own experiences. I try to diffuse the problem with the least amount of physical exertion. That means, I talk my way out of it or if it the other party escalates it to a physical form, I do the minimal amount of work to put a stop to it. It may be a swift kick to the shin, or something like that, but I'll stop the fight and walk away. Fighting isn't worth my time. If they continue to chase after me, I'll go after the weaknesses in the body to put an end to the altercation once and for all.
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March 10th, 2012, 02:20 AM | #7 |
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Thrasymachus from Plato's Republic argues that rules of morality are purely conventional and are made by those with the power to make them. In other words, might makes right. He goes further to say that in almost every situation, morality is a weakness and can be taken advantage of by the strong for a favorable outcome. The conclusion is that the best life is had by those who win at any cost.
Plato agrees with the question of "the best life is..." but has a conclusion of his own. The best life is a happy life. Happiness is one thing that everyone can agree is good by nature and it is something that everyone strives for in his or her own way. So the question becomes, "How is true happiness attained?" There are many things that give us fleeting happiness, but such feelings wash away. By nature, fleeting happiness is produced by situations and their outcomes, and it is this kind of lesser happiness that Thrasymachus promotes. True happiness is not a momentary feeling, but an enduring state of being. By this definition, being happy is a reflection of one's being, specifically the soul according to Plato. If being moral is good in itself, above all, regardless of negative outcomes, it must not be based on fleeting feelings of happiness that are specifically dependent on positive outcomes. It must be intrinsic to our state of being, our soul and its goal to be happy. Thus, being moral is the only way to become truly happy. If you think back in your life and did something just for its rightness sake facing an imminent negative consequence with no social or monetary gain to be had(probably as a child, we adults think too much), you may have felt something like what Plato was talking about. I remember an incident as a kid and it wasn't a pleasant experience for me at the time, but I sure slept better back then. |
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March 10th, 2012, 07:40 AM | #8 |
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Sometimes the difference between good and bad is very clear. Sometimes we must fight to protect innocents and to prevent the spread of evil. To fight evil it is not always necessary to use physical force but sometimes it's the only option. Superior force exercised by an evil agent does not make them right or good. All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.
It isn't easy to take a stand on what you believe in, but if you don't you diminish yourself. Sometimes you may suffer a physical loss but by fighting for what is right you ultimately win. Look at history: The cruxifiction of Jesus Christ, the assasination of Dr. King; their physical loss was only a temporary setback to the victory of their superior ideas. |
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March 10th, 2012, 08:47 AM | #9 |
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Intent is everything when it's good vs. evil. That's why the good turn their cheeks and the evil get theirs eventually manyfold.
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March 10th, 2012, 06:11 PM | #10 |
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Might does not make right.
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March 11th, 2012, 03:42 PM | #11 |
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Perhaps a different way of asking the question is, "Is winning the most important definition of 'righteousness'"?
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March 11th, 2012, 08:34 PM | #12 |
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I don't think it's part of the definition at all.
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March 12th, 2012, 02:52 PM | #13 |
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its all about how you see it...
take the "bad guy".. but the "bad guy is my homie, and in my eyes good guy but to society he is criminal.. either way, most have good and evil in them.. its finding a balance i am way more bad guy then i am good
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March 12th, 2012, 06:57 PM | #14 |
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I like the do unto others as you would have done to you.
I have played sheepdog a few times to my wifes dismay but I was not raised to sit back and do nothing when someone is being abused in front of me. I guess that makes me the judge in those situations. |
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