March 21st, 2012, 10:59 PM | #1 |
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Frame Sliders.. yes or no.
Been wondering for some time now, how effective frame slides are.
I've had an experience where I went down, low side around 15 mph and the frame slider bent back and cracked my fairing also damaged a few components on the inside such as the fuel tank sensor. I'm still hopeful that there are frame slides that will hold up.and not break off, or bend back and crack fairings. So far they've proven ineffective on my behalf. I keep them on in hopes of less damage should I go down again. Are they useful? What at the best brands for our ninjette's? Have any experience that can shed some light on this issue? Thnx for reading! |
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March 21st, 2012, 11:41 PM | #2 |
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Best brand is Shoguns hands down. They are braced off a different bracket with multiple mounting points on the frame.
I wish I had them when I lost the rear. Would have saved me from rashing my fairings. There has been numerous discussions regarding frame sliders and the Ninjette Wiki highlights some: http://www.ninjette.org/wiki/Frame_sliders
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March 21st, 2012, 11:56 PM | #3 |
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T-Rex frame sliders are supposed to be decent too. They're about half the cost, but don't give as much support. They should save your fairings in the event of a minor (low speed) slide.
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March 22nd, 2012, 06:07 PM | #4 |
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I have shogun frame sliders on my 250. Last year my gf dropped the ninja in the driveway. They did wonders, Not a scratch on any plastics. Was held off the ground by a slider, and the footpegs.
When i installed them, the metal used in them seemed just as strong as the bike's frame. With the shogun-no cut set anyway. I bougth them off ebay $124 i believe. When you install them, you take the motor mount bolts out, and but the sliders in there. So these bars are just as stable/secure as your motor. Also, the no-cuts, do require some slight cutting. I used tin snips. Dunno what it's called that i snipped, but it's the cover, right at the shifter (left foot rest/shifter) area. Was VERY EASY. If you have any questions, just let me know. Put on 3 sets on 250's so far. (also, when my legs get tired on long roads, i stretch my legs forward, and hook them around the sliders at my knee. Kinda like cheap sportbike highwaybars. I know it's not too safe, but don't hassle me!! lol) |
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March 22nd, 2012, 06:39 PM | #5 |
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I wish I had a set when I slipped on ice walking my bike in the driveway when moving it into the garage to store it for winter. Had to buy a new faring, turn signal is cracked, mirror is scratched and bar end is scratched, Slight crack on the tip of my carbon fiber muffler.
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March 22nd, 2012, 10:00 PM | #6 |
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I have Shogun no-cut sliders as well. Well designed and solid system.
Have not had a need for them yet. |
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March 22nd, 2012, 10:43 PM | #7 |
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i can also vouch for the Shogun sliders. that cover thing you snipped was the front sprocket cover. i used my dremel to cut it.
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March 22nd, 2012, 11:20 PM | #8 |
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Frame sliders have been on my 'to buy' list ever since I bought the ninja, but I was dissuaded from buying them by the argument that they can sometimes turn a simple low side into a frame bending, bike destroying incident...i.e if they snag on something, which is highly probable on the street...
I don't know, I'm still unsure about them, but a GoPro, I'm sure about and that's my next purchase |
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March 23rd, 2012, 12:53 AM | #9 |
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Thanks for all the feedback fellas!
Based on a lot of research and all your input, it looks like Shogun frame sliders are the best it can get. When i bought the bike it had some I.stalled by the previous owner, long story short.. I went down at low speed around 15 mph. And they bent back and cracked my fairing anyways. Was soo pissed. Any how thanks for all the feedback once again and hope this thread has helped others gain some insight. Ride on!! |
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March 23rd, 2012, 12:56 AM | #10 | |
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As far as catching on to something... Highly unlikely lol They only stick out maybe 4-6 inches from the bike. That go pro camera sounds like a good idea though. |
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March 23rd, 2012, 12:58 AM | #11 |
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April 9th, 2012, 03:40 AM | #12 |
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anyone crashed at speed with shoguns?
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April 9th, 2012, 05:34 AM | #13 |
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I have these on my bike and thankfully in almost two years of owning the bike (was brand new when i bought it) and with 21,000 kms on it, i have never got to test it and hopefully dont get to either.
Anyone has any feedback on these? One of my friends crashed at low speed and the slider bent but no other damage to the bike. |
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April 9th, 2012, 06:49 AM | #14 |
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They are designed to break off in certain conditions, which yeah that would be hard to do without damaging the fairings depending on the exact forces. Actual wreck outcomes are less predictable.
I bought mine being a new rider with good fairings. The shogun kit is cheaper than replacement fairings, so if it saves me from messing up my bike knocking it over in the garage or driveway, it's worth it to me. Plus the rear spools to put it on the rear stand. Haven't tested them yet. |
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April 11th, 2012, 08:59 AM | #15 |
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My bike won't be without a set after this in 2009:
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April 11th, 2012, 10:02 AM | #16 |
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Worlds biggest rear set?
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April 13th, 2012, 08:34 AM | #17 |
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Opinions vary greatly on the topic. My feeling is that they are perfect for those very low speed crashes or no speed drops. For anything at speed, the last thing I'm worrying about is if they protect the plastics, I'm more worried about walking away from the crash as uninjured as possible. Full coverage insurance beats sliders in an "at speed" wreck any day of the week. But I would NEVER sy "Don't get em" because, statistically speaking, you are nearly guranteed to have the bike down at low/no speed, and in those instance the sliders pay for themselves quickly.
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April 13th, 2012, 08:52 AM | #18 |
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Has anyone tried the yoshimura frame protectors?
http://www.yoshimura-rd.com/ps-4661-...50r-11-12.aspx |
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April 13th, 2012, 05:49 PM | #19 |
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meh.. when insurance pays..i will just get another one
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April 15th, 2012, 11:03 AM | #20 |
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I'll give another +1 for the T-Rex ones. They were the first thing that went on when I got my bike, and they have saved my bike from a fallover once already. Easy and quick to install, priced pretty well, $80 before shipping, and quick shipping.
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April 15th, 2012, 07:32 PM | #21 | |
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April 15th, 2012, 07:41 PM | #22 |
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The pucks are very easy to get off with an Allen wrench, and it only adds maybe 1-2 minutes to the Disassembly/Reassembly time.
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April 17th, 2012, 01:31 PM | #23 |
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If anyone is on the fence about the Shoguns, we have them on sale right now
Sliders: http://www.hotmotostore.com/Shogun-2...iber_p_14.html Sliders with swing arm spools and bar-ends: http://www.hotmotostore.com/Shogun-2...lack_p_15.html |
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April 17th, 2012, 04:20 PM | #24 | |
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April 17th, 2012, 04:30 PM | #25 |
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We can ship to Canada, however shipped price is $178 on the basic kit in black only. If you're interested, please PM me for details.
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April 18th, 2012, 01:06 PM | #26 |
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April 18th, 2012, 04:54 PM | #27 |
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of the crashes ive seen first hand, the bikes that had sliders suffered more severe damage. while some damage to the plastics was reduced, other things were damaged more... like the bike flipping, frames impacted etc. its my view that sliders are only good for incidents under 25mph. just my opinion.
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April 19th, 2012, 06:28 AM | #28 |
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I think its a bit more complicated than that. Crashing at Willow Springs and crashing at say, Fontana are 2 different things and will result in different outcomes. For sure.... frame sliders at Willow Springs... I'm not so sure. Mine were destroyed in a turn 4 crash there (along with most of my bike). Not sure I'd run them again. But at a track with smoother runoff - definitely.
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April 19th, 2012, 12:46 PM | #29 |
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Well, my reason for posting this thread, was because I went down at 10-15 mph when a car next to me turned into my lane to make a left. Totally didn't see me.
I went into his passenger door, and both the bike and I went down. It happened so fast. Anyhow, the frame slider on one side just scraped and bent down and cracked the fairing. I was disappointed in that it didn't hold strong at such a low speed accident. That was basically a hard drop. These sliders came with the bike when I bought it. I'll more likely pick up the best rec. Shogun's. If anything, they will minimize damage but not leave it scratch free. Frame sliders are perfect for drops at no speed I would guarantee. Ha Thnx for reading and all the post! -P.R.LA |
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April 23rd, 2012, 06:39 PM | #30 | |
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Saved me SOOO much money. I think the people who end up with MORE damage buy crappy frame sliders. |
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October 9th, 2012, 02:16 PM | #33 |
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two questions:
1) how tweaked was the frame after that 2) how long did it slide on pavement before hitting dirt
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October 12th, 2012, 10:31 AM | #34 |
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When I Lowsided on the road about 25mph, my T-Rex slider saved my fairing. Though the force bent the bolt holding it (which is also the front engine mount bolt) backwards so it sat at a slight angle. Upside, was able to use it as a footrest since my peg snapped off. LOL
However, when I wrecked on the track, going 50-ish, the bike slid nicely until it hit dirt/gravel, then took a nice violent dirt bath. Both sliders ended up bent and the bolt was bent up inside on both ends. Took about an hour and a half to wiggle that thing out so I could replace it with the stock bolt. Despite that, I think I will be putting sliders back on my street ride. When I get a dedicated track bike, I'll probably pass.
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