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K so I think i was completely wrong about my levers being low (i guess i didnt really think about it too much when i wrote that), they might be high? did you lower yours? i feel like if i lower them I can get a better grip on the throttle and more room to roll on with. So did you lower yours and was i probably wrong about them being a bit low?
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August 15th, 2009, 01:33 PM | #42 |
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You can adjust them to where you are comfortable. I needed to move mine closer to the ground on both my bikes or my wrists hurt.
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August 15th, 2009, 10:54 PM | #43 |
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I like the pvc pipe mod, did you cut a small groove in the pipe for the cable to ride in?
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August 16th, 2009, 12:17 AM | #44 |
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August 21st, 2009, 11:05 PM | #45 | |
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Although there is a textbook way to do almost everything, I would simply loosen the fasteners and slide the components fore/aft and laterally to where they work well for you. Riding a bike is all about the handlebars and precision control, so put those controls where you need them.
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August 28th, 2009, 01:46 PM | #46 |
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Has anyone had an issue with the zip tie coming undone?
I did this mod last nite, and only took a short ride. I like it so far (it's been raining all day). It was kinda tricky getting the zip tie glued around the curved throttle tube. Posted via Mobile Device |
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August 28th, 2009, 02:04 PM | #47 |
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It was tricky for me too. What I ended up doing was holding one end of the zip tie with a pair of pliers, then wrapping it around in a coil and holding for a few seconds to give it an easy-to-manage bend. Made holding it on the bar until the superglue took hold a lot more easier.
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August 29th, 2009, 05:03 PM | #48 |
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I held it on one side, and after that set, I used a clamp thing.
Took it for a ~40 mile ride today. MUCH easier for a n00b like me to keep speed on the highway. |
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September 1st, 2009, 12:24 AM | #49 | |
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idk how i feel about doing a mod like this just yet, but it sounds like it really helps... im at about 500 miles
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September 3rd, 2009, 11:13 PM | #50 |
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Instead of using superglue try spray adhesive on the zip-tie, it is sticky, like tape, can be removed with solvents (acetone i.e. fingernail polish), more flexible, easier to handle, more environmentally safe, and will last longer than superglue. Do note, superglue was invented for NASA for the space shuttle ceramic tile heat shield, and has a short bond life. This is why the tiles fall off the shuttle. And in part why the shuttle Columbia burned up upon re-entry. I know someone is going to say it crashed because of ice from the external fuel tank, but if superglue was so strong the tiles would have withstood the ice impact and cracked, and not fallen off. I'm an engineer and do know this kind of stuff.
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September 4th, 2009, 06:37 AM | #51 | |
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September 4th, 2009, 01:36 PM | #52 |
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Superglue on zip-ties
Sorry, I stand corrected, however; I did look up the information again and it was not invented, but used for the ceramic tiles on the shuttle. Again sorry for the mistake.
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September 10th, 2009, 06:43 PM | #53 | |
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If you are really worried, just get an epoxy and it'll stick around for a million years or so.
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September 12th, 2009, 09:09 AM | #54 |
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damn I wanna try this but
1) I'm afraid I'll break something new or old.. I already snapped the plastic nub that goes in the handle bar hole when I was trying to put everything back together during my clip-on installation. I had to super glue the nub back 2) My trackday is this Tuesday and I don't wanna take the risk of breaking something before then decisions decisions... |
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September 13th, 2009, 09:34 PM | #55 | |
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Then, after, do the mod. The more you mod, the better you get at it. Things break all of the time. Sometimes, you'll find broken parts from poor mechanics or owners and fix them. It's all in the fun and experience of trying to obtain perfection, if there is such a thing.
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September 20th, 2009, 10:42 AM | #56 |
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September 20th, 2009, 10:44 AM | #57 |
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nope. I have a Kyle quick turn throttle... recommend doing the zip tie mod instead.
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September 20th, 2009, 08:39 PM | #58 |
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soo just an observation. it may seem as if you are using less energy to achieve WOT but if you know even the most basic theorys about how ratio work, if you do this mod to get the throttle valve to open with less travel at the wrist then there is going to be an increased resistance but it will be minimal. the other observation.. a first gen R6 throttle tube is like 7 or 8 bucks at cycle gear and it drops in, it gives you 1/5 of a turn full throttle.
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September 21st, 2009, 08:09 AM | #59 | |
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btw, there's also an insert for sale if you don't feel like doing your own...not sure if it'd work though. http://www.doublezracing.com/ |
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September 22nd, 2009, 09:15 AM | #60 | |
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September 22nd, 2009, 05:49 PM | #61 |
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i was doing some thinking and i feel that if anyone does the ziptie method they should not double the last half of the tube. being able to open the throttle very fast at the upper RPM range may be a bad thing for those of you who like to ride hard and lean far the increased "twitchyness" could lead to a power slide if your not careful with your throttle application
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September 26th, 2009, 11:23 AM | #62 | |
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I found the biggest problem with the double zip mod was slight binding. This is something that Kkim warned about. If it wasn't for the binding, the double zip tie would be the way to go. It makes the throttle response precise.
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September 26th, 2009, 11:53 AM | #63 |
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Look in the throttle housing. There may be a notch that you can file down to clear the thicker zip ties
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November 20th, 2009, 03:05 PM | #64 |
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i just finished doing this ziptie mod. going out for a test ride right now. played with the throttle no binding so lets see how it does. i swear putting back the casing took me over an hour. it was pissing me off lol
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November 20th, 2009, 04:16 PM | #65 |
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November 20th, 2009, 09:06 PM | #66 |
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i used one ziptie but i didnt file down the ends and the super glue i used wasnt that great. i noticed a difference but im gonna have to redo it sometime later.
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December 4th, 2009, 06:51 PM | #67 |
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Interesting. Putting it back together should take a few seconds at the most. But, you will have to know how it all goes together and hold down the cable while fitting the housing halves together. You have to squeeze real tight holding them together until you get that top screw screwed in a few times and then you should be good to go.
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December 4th, 2009, 07:49 PM | #68 |
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Hey Purespeed...
I'm in the printing business and we do zillions of manuals and stuff. I gotta compliment you on that presentation...not a word is needed, pure visual. Most excellent. And, yeah, I'm gonna do it too.
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December 4th, 2009, 08:37 PM | #69 | |
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Throttle cable failure without the second push cable is about 0.0001% so weight your risk/benefits wisely |
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December 6th, 2009, 02:45 PM | #70 | |
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It's always a bit frustrating when you don't have good install instructions. And pictures are far more telling than words. Video is even better still. So, when Purspeed does a DIY, it's gonna have all the pictures and info you need!
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December 12th, 2009, 02:09 PM | #71 |
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This looks like a useful mod. I'm thinking about doing the PVC pipe version. Anyone have any suggestions on how I could mount the pvc pipe to a drill so I can 'etch' in a groove/guide - sort of low budget lathe.
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December 12th, 2009, 03:14 PM | #72 |
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A groove isn't needed. look at the stock throttle... there's no groove and the cable is fine.
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December 16th, 2009, 07:03 PM | #73 |
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This mod is FANTASTIC! I did the single zip tie and man, what an improvement! I now have no lag....rowing through the gears is now silky smooth and it is really easy to keep the bike in the sweet spot.
I used regular brush-on Krazy glue. Removed the brake lever and both cables, ground/sanded down zip tie, sanded throttle tube, applied a minimal amount of glue and the zip tie held fine. Why have I been riding my 07 for over 2 years and never heard of this before?? Love it. |
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December 16th, 2009, 08:51 PM | #74 |
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I was considering using that to adjust the throttle pull. Get a length of pvc pipe. Cut a section off, if it's too high for me put a little groove on the next one,..., until I find a height that I like.
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February 16th, 2010, 10:41 PM | #75 |
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had to resurrect this thread...
i have over 48k miles on the 250 and i am thinking of doing this mod but still hesitant because over in the ninja250 forum someone said there is no benefit in regular street riding because of the on and off touchy response... for those of you that did this awhile ago do you still like the mod?...pros and cons?... |
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February 16th, 2010, 10:49 PM | #76 |
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I have the zip tie mod equivalent in a quick turn throttle tube. I love the faster response of the larger diameter throttle.
Good thing about the zip tie mod is that if you don't like it, it's easily reversible. on/off touchy response??? sounds like the carbs might be set a bit lean to me. |
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February 16th, 2010, 11:28 PM | #77 |
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thanks for the fast reply kelly...
anybody else?...quick... my hands are getting itchy for this mod...is this good for technical roads and canyons?... |
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February 17th, 2010, 01:56 AM | #78 |
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Just try it and see if you like it. It's not like you're tearing the motor down or anything. If it sucks, take the zip tie off. Snappier throttle response is almost always a good thing.
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February 17th, 2010, 01:03 PM | #79 |
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Do you have a link to that thread/flamefest? Searched and didn't see anything over there.
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February 17th, 2010, 02:25 PM | #80 |
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here it is...
http://forums.ninja250.org/viewtopic...=649903#649903 should i go directly to a 2 zip ties mod?... |
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