September 28th, 2015, 09:44 AM | #1 |
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Is an electric Kawasaki Ninja coming out very soon? Leaked patent images surface
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September 28th, 2015, 09:46 AM | #2 |
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I will be very surprised if there isn't an electric option for all of the major japanese brands by 2020
it seems to be the way of the future, and it very well will be as the technology advances and electric becomes more commonplace
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September 28th, 2015, 09:59 AM | #3 |
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@Alex
NinjaE2.org?
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September 28th, 2015, 11:32 AM | #4 |
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Looks like a battery powered 300. Same swingarm, same wheels, brakes, forks.
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September 28th, 2015, 11:36 AM | #5 |
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Mehhhh....do not want.
I can't get into this electric craze at all. I mentioned on some other forum that electric cars will ruin the performance car hobby and got beat up about it. I think it's true...your every day guy can't work on these things in his garage. Maybe a century from now, yes but not now and for that I'm not excited at all. I was talking to my pops the other day about buying new cars and I told him the chances of me getting a new car are real slim because of the limited manual options. As they continue to dwindle, I will have less and less options and will be stuck to only buying used older cars (which is fine with me). My wife drives a 2012 BMW and it was in service for about 2 months this sumer. During that time, I drove several loaners including the new 428i. I loved the car and the paddle shift transmission was the best one I've ever driven. When you downshifted....it actually downshifted! If you know what I'm talking about, on most of these transmissions, when you downshift there's terrible lag and nothing happens. BMW fixed that, it works just like a regular manual but if the car only has 2 pedals, I don't want it. I think we're giving up a lot of "feel" and "enjoyment" for comfort and I'm not about that life. |
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September 28th, 2015, 11:44 AM | #6 | |
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September 28th, 2015, 12:09 PM | #7 | |
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I don't know if I would. I like being able to do my own work on all my cars, bikes, etc...I wouldn't know where to start with an electric bike and not to mention the special tools that might be required. |
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September 28th, 2015, 12:34 PM | #8 |
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I'd consider one for commuting if the price was reasonable. Still wouldn't get rid of my gas powered bike because I can't believe an electric would have the range or quick charge ability.
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September 28th, 2015, 12:49 PM | #9 | |
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September 28th, 2015, 12:57 PM | #10 |
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This electric bike went 173mph in the mile last weekend :-p
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September 28th, 2015, 01:00 PM | #11 |
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September 28th, 2015, 01:05 PM | #12 |
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September 28th, 2015, 01:27 PM | #14 |
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Imagine yourself in the early 20th century just before the automobile made horse culture go away.
You're a horse lover, unwilling to acknowledge the coming of the next wave. "I don't want one, I wouldn't know where to begin working on it" is exactly the kind of thing a horse and buggy driver would say. Ten years later the horse is gone and the same guy has a Model T in his barn. "I can let the horse graze anywhere, never need to worry about range" ditto. Ten years later it's easy to find filling stations. I totally agree with all the points you make. I'm right there with you. But never say never... It's coming. We all know it. The thing that will make me jump is economics. Once it's actually cost-competitive to buy, run and maintain an electric or hybrid vehicle I'll give it serious thought. Until then, I'll stick with well-proven technology that costs less. Any idiot who can do basic arithmetic is capable of figuring out that gasoline power is cheaper by a long way, even over the life of the vehicle and even at gas prices in the $5 a gallon range.
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September 28th, 2015, 01:39 PM | #15 | |
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I was waiting for someone to make that argument and you're right, it will eventually happen but for now I'm going to fight it as much as I can LOL. I just don't think the infrastructure is there for electric vehicles yet. If there was a charging station at every gas station, then sure but even then you have to wait hours (not sure how long those things take to charge). The technology has grown by leaps recently but I just don't feel like it's there. I have a strong feeling that when I'm older and electric vehicles are all the rage, I'm going to be like that one old dude that everyone knows today who refuses to give up his carburetors because he thinks electronic FI is bullshit. ****...I'm already kind of that guy with FI LOL. |
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September 28th, 2015, 01:42 PM | #16 |
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The tax incentives help for sure. I ended up getting my fusion energi for 31k with a 41k msrp. It will do ~21 miles on electric then it's essentially a normal hybrid after.
There are weeks my wife doesn't use any gas at all just running errands to town around and back then plug it back in for tomorrow. Depends how you drive and where. |
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September 28th, 2015, 01:46 PM | #17 |
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luddites are so cute
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September 28th, 2015, 01:51 PM | #18 |
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It's gonna make 40hp and weigh 500lbs lol.
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September 28th, 2015, 02:22 PM | #19 |
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Electric has caught up on range. A quick google search shows Zero Motorcycle claims 185 miles and Tesla is boasting 265 miles. Range hasn't been much of an issue for awhile.
Recharge time is the biggest difference in my opinion. Depending on your intended use of the vehicle, it's either a non issue or a deal breaker. For a commuter - recharge once a week or so (depending on commute length) overnight and be done with it. For a weekend warrior who just likes cruising and exploring - recharge during an hour ish lunch in some dinky town if you convince someone to let you borrow their outlet. For a long distance rider - plan your route using the online maps like http://www.plugshare.com/ and enjoy the ride. For crazy riderrs like me - the recharge time is a deal breaker. Yes, I know it's been done, but that Zero was heavily modified. Would I buy an electric? Absolutely!! My work has a charging station right in my parking lot. But would I get rid of my gas guzzling bike? Nope. I need the speed of a standard gas station for the rides I do. *daydreams of a long distance beast bike and an electric local play bike*
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September 28th, 2015, 02:24 PM | #20 |
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We can adapt the existing infrastructure with the development of supercapacitors with LUDICROUS potential for power density and charging speed.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4A...JxNtKuz3rkq16A I think we're entering an intermission period where the greatest of the ICEs (think plastic/composite engines) wage battle against the first economically sensible electric vehicles. The horses are being tested against the Model Ts (poor analogy but you get the idea). But what the hell, we were supposed to get flying cars a decade ago. |
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If Ford had done what people wanted, he would have started breeding faster horses...
Embrace it, but don't be an early adopter. That said, I'm a huge stickler on the manual tranny also. So much more fun, screw speed. |
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September 28th, 2015, 04:47 PM | #24 | |
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September 28th, 2015, 05:37 PM | #25 |
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Because it's smarter to let prices drop and let the early adopters flesh out the problems first!
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September 28th, 2015, 06:12 PM | #26 |
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You should be encouraging early adopters.
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September 28th, 2015, 08:25 PM | #27 |
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At this point, battery technology is limiting EVs. They're fairly heavy and relatively slow to refill. But 80% quick charges and improving technology are making things better as we speak.
(That's why I bought an EV with a built-in ICE generator.) EVs do have different performance characteristics. The Volt has a ton of torque and no transmission full of gears to shift through. Accelerating seems faster than it is, due to the torque and lack of jerking at gear changes - it just goes when you push the long skinny pedal. The Volt's battery pack layout gives it a low center of gravity. For a 3800lb golf cart, it actually seems quite quick and nimble. Changing to an electric drivetrain on a bike also gives you some room to move things around and possibly redesign things to work a little better. I suspect most early models will be like the one rumored here, dropped into an existing bike with as few changes as possible. It keeps costs down, and is easier for the public to accept. But once people are used to the idea and things are more affordable, it opens up the path for some radical changes that we don't even think about today (like having the motor on the swingarm, completely eliminating most chain issues). Just like all the maintenance that you simply don't need to do any more, limitations of the ICE setup will simply cease to exist. Things are far from perfect, but I'm excited about the future possibilities.
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September 29th, 2015, 02:19 AM | #28 |
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An interesting article to read http://theconversation.com/teslas-in...-diesels-40834
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September 29th, 2015, 07:46 AM | #30 | |
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September 29th, 2015, 08:53 AM | #31 | |
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It gets 32-35 mpg. Do the math to see how long I'd have to drive, at 20k of usage per year and $5 per gallon gas, to reach cost parity with your hybrid, even with tax incentives. Makes the proven, well-supported, old dinosaur ICE tech look a bit more attractive, doesn't it? IMHO it still doesn't make sense to adopt the new tech and it won't until the total cost of ownership is within spitting distance. Once the charging infrastructure is in place, it makes sense. Once energy storage gets better, it makes sense. All of this will happen eventually. But until then, it remains a novelty and a conscience salve for the green-minded. (PS: Don't forget the TOTAL environmental impact of the tech, including manufacturing, use and disposal.)
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Also, don't forget the WHOLE cost of continuing to uphold the oil industry. I agree with the point that it' not a viable option until it's comfortable for people to adopt. That's reality. It's sad that "reality" is so far removed from the cause/effect the human virus is having on the earth, also, arguably, "reality".
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September 29th, 2015, 09:28 AM | #33 | |
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If I wanted a base model econo car I would have got one. I got the energi because it met all the criteria I wanted in the car plus I was able to get the plug in/hybrid part. So it actually does save me money since I'd be spending near 40 grand on a car regardless. It's kind of moot anyway since I daily a 3/4 ton truck that gets 13mpg |
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September 29th, 2015, 10:49 AM | #34 |
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@ForceofWill So really you're just trying to make up for the truck with that hybrid
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Tesla founder said 2 days ago
-“My guess is that we could probably break 1,000 kilometers (620 miles) within a year or two" http://www.ibtimes.com/elon-musk-tes...ilable-2118251
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September 29th, 2015, 02:57 PM | #38 |
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I like the concept, I am interested in how this one will perform.
I watched the E class at MotoGP last year and thought it was really cool.
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There is a small but extremely vocal contingent of anti-EV folks, and most of the negative points they cite are either factually incorrect, or functionally irrelevant. I don't know what bug crawled up the craw of these folks, really don't care as long as they don't screw things up for the rest of us. But, they seem bent on doing exactly that by getting people to believe that EVs are short-ranged, high-maintenance, and limited usefulness vehicles when in fact that's plainly not the case. The reason I don't have an EV now is the same reason why almost nobody owned cars before the early 1900s: They're out of my price range. Elon Musk is attempting to do with his cars and batteries what Henry Ford did with cars, and unlike so many before him he's actually capable of pulling it off. If he does, within 5 years I may have an EV. What I won't have are oil changes, valve adjustments, belt replacements, antifreeze and transmission flushes, filter changes, tuneups, emissions inspections, catalytic converter and muffler replacements, and all the other maintenance that EVs don't have that internal combustion cars do. But, if the anti-EV screamers manage to convince enough folks who otherwise could be very happy with an EV to avoid the technology then it will be the same as if the anti-car crowd was successful in convincing all the horse and buggy owners to stay with horse technology. IMHO, if someone wants to stay in the past then they just should. BTW, this isn't directed to you, but to all the folks who inevitably jump in to bash EVs. |
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