March 5th, 2016, 10:02 PM | #1 |
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All Balls Steering Stem kit?
I am replacing my fork set- triple, shocks ... on my 04 GSXR 750
How would you go about redoing the front end? I bought a used set that looks tidy from ebay for 299.99 The one photo shows the outer dust seals as being abit cracked. I was thinking since my motorcycle is a 2004 it might be a good idea to rebuild the suspension before installing it. The oil ages? right? so a freshen up with new seals would be good preventative maintenance? Alas - I arrived at the question- Is there any actual measurable benefit to having a needle bearing up-date from All Balls over the oem caged ball bearings in the steering stem? Should I upgrade the steering stabilizer? Any how - While I have been waiting for the parts to come in the mail I was considering how I should support the bike while I changed out the front end. So I was sitting on the couch staring at it across the living room and I thought maybe I should make an oversized "rearstand" that can straddle the engine and support the bike from the spoolish frame sliders?> So I grabbed some Thin wall EMT and ground the galvanized off it quick. Bendy bendy weldy weldy and viola . Almost finished. I did melt the wheels a bit when I was welding but I think it will still be functional for what little use it sees. I will up load photos in a bit.
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March 5th, 2016, 10:49 PM | #2 |
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In for photos.
And no complaints about oem ninja 250 forks after installing stiffer springs, preload adjusters, honda SS7.5wt fork oil, and intiminators. More preload from longer spring spacers (cut pipe) turned out to be better than less. Harsh bumps at 55mph, and the bike floats without losing front end feel. Soft bumps at 55mph, the bike feels equally stuck to the road. 28psi in the front. Feels even more stable at higher speeds. Install some cable ties around your front fork tubes, so when suspension compresses, the cable tie will be pushed up the tube. Tune the suspension so you get close to bottoming out on fork travel on a very aggressive ride. No sense in having things too stiff and not using all of the available travel. Cable ties on fork legs are a good way to measure how much of the travel you are using.
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March 6th, 2016, 06:39 PM | #3 | |
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I believe the only benefit to the needle bearing setup is thag they last longer. If you feel like the steering stabilizer is insufficient, then upgrade it, but if it does its job, then there is no need to upgrade. Some steering stabilizers you can change the oil to a thicker weight for more stabilization. I have a lot of tools and hoist, but when I take the forks off my bike I almost always end up just hanging it by a ratching stamp (like you use to tie it down in a trailer).
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March 6th, 2016, 07:18 PM | #4 |
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Josh I guess with needle bearing you mean tapered roller bearings?
This is a translation from SKF (THE bearing company...): "Basically, each bearing has its "reason to be" Because you can write several theses about it and everybody will find his own. Tapered roller bearings are particularly suitable for receiving combined loads (radial and axially acting simultaneously). One should always be careful what load cases. If you have high axial AND radial forces you would prefer for taper roller bearings, but with the restriction that no axial misalignment might be present. In the opposite to ball bearings the tapered roller bearings have as a further disadvantage that they have to cope with more friction and therefore run a bit more cumbersome than ball bearings. This has the reason that in the best case, each ball in use has exactly two point loads, whereas each role has two full lines as a burden. Where it gets here but also on the profiles of the bearings. Disadvantage: they are more expensive! But this at least is the only one. Advantage: You run more stably and accurately, they last longer and give everything more stability - thus causing more accurate driving with more rest in the chassis." |
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March 12th, 2016, 05:50 PM | #5 |
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I am ordering seals . The frame slider stand I welded up for the bike is supporti g it nicely. It is a bit wobble ly considering I welded it out of 3/4emt. I am going to rebuild the forks and put them on then order the rest of what I need to get it rideable.
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March 20th, 2016, 06:57 AM | #6 |
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Bike on my home made engine stand. Basically an oversized rear stand that supports the frame sliders.
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March 29th, 2016, 07:40 AM | #7 |
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Nice solution to your problem! I usually end up with a "A" frame ladder over the bike and a couple of straps but I might just copy your Idea!
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March 29th, 2016, 06:12 PM | #9 |
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March 29th, 2016, 07:42 PM | #10 |
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Because you are claiming that the only disadvantage to tapered steering head bearings is that they are more expensive. Certainly Yamaha is not concerned with saving money by buying cheaper bearings. The reason that Yamaha uses ball bearings in the steering head is because they provide better feel. So your claim that there is only one disadvantage to tapered bearings is untrue.
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March 29th, 2016, 09:16 PM | #11 | |
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March 30th, 2016, 04:38 AM | #12 | |
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BTW, the All Balls cross-reference list is very valuable for finding the bearings that you need to swap front ends. I have used them myself. |
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March 30th, 2016, 05:17 AM | #13 | |
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Yamaha in their MotoGP-Bike uses an aluminum profile frame with an adjustable steering head - this is not possible with tapered roller bearings. But this you should know very well! |
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March 30th, 2016, 05:28 AM | #14 | |
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