April 26th, 2016, 06:27 AM | #1 |
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I guess he didn't take the MSF
Some riders are just clueless. No signal. No mirror check. No head check. And the best part? He's pissed off. Does he actually think the other party was at fault?
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April 26th, 2016, 06:38 AM | #2 |
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Very avoidable
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April 26th, 2016, 06:44 AM | #3 |
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By BOTH sides. The driver of the SUV had to have been paying no attention at all to miss the bike coming over.
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April 26th, 2016, 06:53 AM | #4 |
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SUV guy has no idea what the bike is doing. Bike maneuver is too unpredictable (stupid) to anticipate.
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I put the blame on the bike, the SUV could have avoided this as well, looks like he increases speed as the bike starts drifting into his lane, but the fault goes to the biker.
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April 26th, 2016, 07:01 AM | #6 |
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Almost two whole seconds pass between when the bike initiates his lane change and when contact occurs. Whether or not the driver could have predicted it, there's more than enough time to react. I'm not trying to remove fault from the rider (I NEVER would have tried to change lanes with that little space), but the driver could have avoided the incident as easily as the rider.
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April 26th, 2016, 07:14 AM | #7 |
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Yes but SUV guy is thinking I am here and I will speed up so he does not move into my spot. Bike to stupid to look. Bike 95% at fault and 100% responsable.
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April 26th, 2016, 08:37 AM | #8 |
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April 26th, 2016, 10:21 AM | #9 | |
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April 26th, 2016, 02:17 PM | #10 | |
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April 26th, 2016, 02:32 PM | #11 |
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I definitely think driving has become too easy and cars have become too appliance-like. It leads to too many people who don't pay attention, and that extends beyond a driver's interactions with others on the road. Just last night I was driving my fiance's car to take us to dinner and I was noticing some hard shifts. I asked her how long it had been doing "that" and she just looked at me like I was speaking in tongues and asked what I was talking about.
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April 26th, 2016, 02:44 PM | #12 |
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April 26th, 2016, 09:20 PM | #14 |
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April 27th, 2016, 04:27 AM | #15 |
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Yeah, I can't side too much with the rider here. You've GOT to look when changing lanes. Every time. And you have to hold your lane if you're not changing over. The driver should have been watching, too, because some riders don't behave.
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April 27th, 2016, 06:07 AM | #16 | |
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^ if just one of them had been driving well, then the crash wouldn't have happened.
In my time of driving and riding I've made some stupid mistakes. Luckily for me, when they happened, I didn't meet another driver also making stupid mistakes, so there was no incident. Someone told me (and I think it's relatively good advice): Quote:
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April 29th, 2016, 08:29 PM | #17 |
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Stupid is as stupid does, the bike rider was complacent in getting over and the driver was distracted, which led to this accident.
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May 1st, 2016, 06:34 AM | #18 |
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I agree with what's posted above. The rider (for whatever reason) made some assumptions that he shouldn't have. What I don't get is that he did it with a passenger!
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May 3rd, 2016, 07:50 AM | #19 |
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My only guess is that the biker assumed the car was taking the ramp there. Not sure where the bike was at the beginning of the video, but the car did come in from the right and quickly get all the way over to the left lane; he might have seen that and figured he was getting over for the ramp.
The rider changed lanes (without any checking or signalling) directly into the side of the car. The only thing I can think of that might absolve him of any share of the responsibility is if the car had left its blinker on from the lane changes, which would be signalling that he was taking the ramp. Even so, the rider should've actually checked to see if the car was already in the spot where he was trying to put the bike (to me, that's basic self-preservation instinct). The driver does occasionally glance down toward the radio area. He doesn't appear to be stereotypical "texting & driving" or anything like that. He might have just been glancing down at the clock or checking GPS or something. You can see him checking his mirrors while he's stopped, and he has a dashcam, so I don't think he's a typical oblivious driver. If he had been fully focused directly on the road ahead, he may have been able to avoid the bike. Keep in mind that moving around in the lane can make it harder to recognize when a bike is changing lanes. He started out in the middle/right of his lane, so the driver may have assumed the bike was just adjusting his lane position until it was too late to react. If your defense is that you expect people to react quickly and correctly when you do something obviously stupid, you're gonna have a bad time. Always look to see if there's something in the way of where you're trying to put your bike, even if nothing is supposed to be there.
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May 3rd, 2016, 06:19 PM | #20 |
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May 7th, 2016, 02:47 PM | #21 |
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Looks like one of those people who got me to run into their BMW... Asian with a dashcam; we had the same insurance Co. Apparently that lady has paid for at least 3 cars by repeatedly wrecking them always with the other person at fault, adjuster was like "congrats you just paid off her car and she is making a profit"
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May 7th, 2016, 06:45 PM | #22 |
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So you were found at fault based on the the dashcam footage?
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May 12th, 2016, 08:42 PM | #24 |
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Yea lady slammed her breaks in front of me... I hit her, law said it was my fault, camera was evidence
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It was obvious she got me to hit her too everyone, but when the law says you're at fault what ya gonna do???
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May 15th, 2016, 03:56 AM | #26 | |
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May 15th, 2016, 12:39 PM | #27 |
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Most normal people are basically honest.
Even the insurance said she was a crook, but they couldn't do nothing about it because all of her "accidents" are "proven" not her fault. My insurance stayed the same and they paid her off... So I guess no harm no foul
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May 15th, 2016, 07:32 PM | #28 |
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That's horrible!!! Did she have a front camera or a rear camera? If she just slams on the brakes without reason, shouldn't that prove that she was just trying to cause an accident?
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The first time I saw this I expected the rider to get into his lane but SPEED UP instead is slowed down. I dont think the rider 1. knew where he was going 2 wasnt paying attention. If i was the one driving I would have slowed down SLIGHTLY because I would have assumed he would have sped up even if he cut me off. from what I see in the video he swerved into his lane then slowed down.
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