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I never put both feet down at a stop on the street anyway. Back in the day there was a kid that rode a RM 125 that must have been about 12 or 13 yrs old and maybe 5' tall. No chance of touching the ground with 1 foot even on his toes. His dad would hold the bike until he let the clutch out and catch him when he came back. He was fast as hell too. |
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December 29th, 2017, 09:08 AM | #42 | |
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As far as "Not all new bike purchasers are nit wits" man hang out on the ninja 300 forum for a while. I've seen too many poor apartment dwellers say "I really want a new bike and I don't want to wait till next year." Building credit is a real thing to do, but too many people get in over their heads. Take out a loan for a reliable car you need and not a toy.
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December 29th, 2017, 09:30 AM | #43 |
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December 29th, 2017, 11:24 AM | #45 | |
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December 29th, 2017, 12:07 PM | #47 |
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AHHhhh... RZ350 brings back memories. Had one for a couple years while in school and roommates & I would run through the hills almost daily. They're hard to find nowadays. Most needs new cylinders & rings anyway; can be done in a couple hours.
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December 29th, 2017, 02:31 PM | #48 | |
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December 29th, 2017, 03:38 PM | #49 |
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Mmm 84 was a good year. I miss this bike, wish I had not sold it. But damn I really wanted one of those fast, new... gulp... 486 computers. Last year I saw a nice one for sale. He wanted $5K for it. The motors are rare because Banshee owners wanted them for the power valve system.
I had the cool seat cowl for mine. Factory pipes, good reeds, port and polish work, some other goodies and a dyno run printed on dot matrix that eventually faded into a yellow piece of paper with nothing on it. Staying on topic though, definitely not a good beginners bike. It was my third bike after a few years riding. Today I think a CBR250 is a great bike too. Super cheap on the used market. Thumpers are much harder to snub off the start. I do have a soft spot for thumpers. Got a hard spot for KTM 690 thumpers.
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December 29th, 2017, 03:49 PM | #50 |
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There are usually several RZ350s at the annual Deals Gap 2-stroke meet, and once you start talking with that crowd, you'll find they're not that hard to come by. A friend let me ride his on the Dragon, and I really started thinking about getting my own. His is the one in my profile photo.
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December 29th, 2017, 03:54 PM | #51 | |
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December 29th, 2017, 10:15 PM | #52 |
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Hey I like the Ascot! How bad could it have been if you were on it for 8 years?
I lusted after a Yamaha SRX 600. It's an acquired taste.
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Ascots are cool. I know a guy who raced a built FT in 1984 and won the expert championship up in the northeast on it. He still has it but it hasn't been run in years. Another guy I know raced the VT ascot. The twin with shaft drive.
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December 30th, 2017, 02:38 PM | #55 |
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The issue in Australia IRT this is we use to have access to land where every man and his dog could jump on some form of dirt bike and have a play, these areas are now developed, metro areas at least, the kids just don't get the exposure.
As for Harleys, here in AU a 1200 Sportster will cost $20k and a Street 500 will cost you $10k, that is insane money for what they are, plus the Harleys we get here are mostly made in the factory in India, so we don't get to add to the bikes built in the US, sorry American workers. Anyway, why would you get a 2017 Street 500 over a 2017 Duke 390 for $6.5 on the road.? Another issue which has already been brought up is the congestion and the lack of skill of the tin top drivers, most more focused on their phone than their surroundings. |
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Well, Trump should put his foot up Harley's management's *ss. They're the real problem.
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More dedicated parking spots for bikes in the cities would be good, everyone complains about congestion, make it easier to park and alot more people would ride.
Also cheaper rego and third party insurance for bikes would help. What breaks my balls is all the dedicated push bike lanes, which hardly get used because in the cities the push bike riders are mainly couriers who obey no traffic laws or have reguard for pedestrians, I believe if you are a push bike courier in the city you should be registered and pay for the lanes that have been made for them, they should stick to those lanes, and most importantly, obey the bloody road laws. I also believe a more thorough assesment is required before being able to ride, and particularly drive, any vehicle on the road. The old and current system was and are a joke, the requirments for a bike licence is more thorough than a drivers licence but IMO they both are severely lacking once you throw real world scenarios in. I honestly believe people generally have no idea in reguards to the responsibility they have when they hit the road. Burying friends and family due to their own or someone elses incompetence is tiresome. BAN LOW PERFORMANCE DRIVERS NOT HIGH PERFORMANCE VEHICLES |
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December 30th, 2017, 11:23 PM | #60 |
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LOL, thats the problem with people that are unfamiliar with rural areas in cold climates. I rode bicycle all summer long, but once winter hit, you NEEDED warm transportation and busses did not exist for small towns. right now in my home town its -13 feels like -30.
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Rural areas, and my HOME town.
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Yes, that's deadly combination:
https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...455978983.html I'm in favour of tiered licensing system for autos as many countries have for motorcycles. Start with 100bhp license for year or two with no citations before you can move onto 200bhp, etc. |
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I would like to see Japan's licensing tiers here: 50cc, 125cc,400cc and larger.
Of course Harley would object to that. They wouldn't be able to sell 1800cc bikes to beginners anymore.
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According to the guy running the simulator they are thinking about using it as a pre-test before you drive out on the roads for the real driving test , for anyone that has had their license suspended or revoked and for people over a certain age to show they still have the ability to drive. Unfortunately it was only for automobiles, not bikes. |
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Heck just here in the US if you compare the accident and death rate of people who taught themselves to ride vs graduates of the MSF course the accident and death rate is almost identical, the only group that has higher accident rates are the ones who were taught by friends or family how to ride. |
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January 1st, 2018, 11:44 AM | #70 |
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Well, England is crowded with narrow streets. Probably not a fair comparison. Plus I'm pretty sure they all crash because they ride on the wrong side of the road.
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I knew a guy who died because of a combination of riding on the left in England, and forgetting to put his side stand up. Here, if you forget, you often get shoved off the right side of the road in a left turn. There he got shoved into oncoming traffic.
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Depending on data you use, it may be interpreted in different ways. For example: U.S. reports motorcycle fatalities as 72.3 per 100,000 registered bikesGoing by straight total fatalities, we are much worse. U.S. 2004-2014 = +4000 motorcycle deaths per yearThis is comparing apples and oranges without knowing total registered bikes in U.S. and U.K. Decrease in deaths after 2009+ is attributed to lower numbers of people riding fewer miles. A better metric would be fatalities per person per 100,000 miles or some such that equalizes mileage ridden per person. Another example is autos, with 2000 deaths in U.K. versus 30000 deaths in U.S. Even accounting for 5x larger population of U.S. versus U.K., that still makes us much, much more dangerous. Then again, comparison doesn't include mileage, which I think is really a requirement to make comparison more valid. sources https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...n_U.S._by_year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_safety http://www.bikelawyer.co.uk/bike-accident-statistics |
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I think it's a little bit of everything mentioned in the article. By the way, https://www.bikebandit.com/blog/post...riders-with-us is the actual blog post for those of us late to the party.
Younger people are doing without vehicles more frequently now, even the 4-wheeled variety. Fewer vehicles overall means fewer bikes too. Dealerships (again, even for cages) have come to represent about the worst buying experience possible. In trying to make more money (or lately, just stay afloat), they seem to have taken to grabbing at money however they can. They tack on all those fees previous posts have mentioned, for no apparent gain to the customer. They generally have a reputation of poor customer service. They simply get in the way, take your money, and treat you like crap. Gee, I wonder why new customers aren't lining up at the door? Newer bikes are getting better and better. They last longer, which is going to reduce the number of followup sales. However, all the fancy new tech (some required by law, some just to say they have fancy new tech) increases the cost. As anything gets more expensive, you're simply going to have fewer buyers who can afford it. Which gets into the final point mentioned. Their study didn't include anyone from outside the US. Quote:
Some of these are chicken & egg problems. I don't know how we can make drivers more used to seeing bikes on the road without simply getting more bikes on the road. I don't know that we can drastically improve the sales process while making everything cheaper. In some cases, changing perception could position bikes as a solution to the problem. Maybe scooters and cheap bikes become a "good enough" vehicle for those who don't need/want a full car, but can't make walking/biking/busing work completely. I generally agree with what others have said. I'm not going to go out and try to get everyone I know to buy a bike. I don't think anyone here wants to be on the road when every single person hops on a bike for the first time, at the same time. However, if someone expresses interest in it, I'll do my best to guide them. My brother has talked about getting a bike, but I'm not sure how much he's really into it. I'm trying to get him to take the MSF class. He can get a taste of riding without having to drop a bunch of cash on buying a bike and gear, it counts as his license endorsement, and I think it helps make you a better, more aware driver in general. He was looking at bikes (mostly little Ninjas) on CL, and I was explaining the pros and cons of newer vs. cheaper, etc. I'd much rather give someone lots of good info and have them decide that motorcycling simply isn't for them, than to have them invest a lot of money and regret it or even get hurt/dead just because I'm trying to further a cause.
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Seems like all I ever do is talk people out of buying bikes. Too many new riders get in for all the wrong reasons. I had a buddy who was looking at getting a bike. He had two requirements:
Riders who I consider true motorcyclists just want to enjoy curvy roads (or the track) and can do so on bikes that aren't horsepower monsters. They aren't out there for an image or the cheapest way to get a 2:1 pounds to horsepower ratio.
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