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Name: Don
Location: Lincoln, NE
Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Green SE Ninja 250 Posts: A lot.
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http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=10346 The subject of oil and when to change it is just like engine break-in; a lot of opinions. I've found there are some basic rules you can follow on this forum and other areas of life. 1. Common sense rules. 2. Examine the source; do they have an "opinion on everything" but only have 50 posts and a brand new first time bike? 3. When it comes to safety there is only one right way. 4. When it comes to the maintenance, it all depends upon how you ride your bike and what you are looking for. 5. If it sounds too good to be true is usually is. All that said most people will recommend you stay with conventional oil until you have the engine broken in (600-1000 miles). You need the piston rings and cylinder head to mate with each other and that take some "friction" to happen. Just like in your cage if you have a lot of short rides or are wringing that little engine out to 12.5K a lot you should consider changing the oil and filter more frequently that if you are taking nice long rides and moderate RPMs. Enjoy and ride safe.
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ninjette.org guru
Name: Anon
Location: Atlanta, GA
Join Date: Aug 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250 (Blue!) Posts: 488
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One thing I'd like to emphasize as somebody who just did their first oil change -- if you're doing it on your sidestand, make sure your drip pan isn't too tall. There isn't a lot of room to work with.
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ninjette.org certified postwhore
Name: Dave
Location: Michigan
Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 650RTE & 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R (SOLD) Posts: A lot.
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This is for Rage42, since i dont have his email.... he wanted to know what my rotella T bottle looks like!
BTW, i bought mine at a Wal-mart for $19.99 (1 gal. thats 2 oil changes roughly) hope this helps, if pics arent good enuff... just let me know and ill retake some and update them! OKie? ttyl -dave |
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Name: Matt
Location: Waterford, MI
Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): 09 250R Posts: 186
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thanks. Couldn't see from kkims pics if there was a motorcycle flavor of rotella. Only found the "truck" stuff at the auto store, and didn't want to buy stuff from the dealer again.
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Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.
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Name: Greg
Location: Rhode Island
Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2013 ZX6R 636 Posts: A lot.
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Someone above asked if you go syn can you ever use conventional again? I heard you couldn't back a few years ago (due to seals swelling), but can now. Anyone know? |
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Name: Samer
Location: Jupiter, Florida
Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): 09 Ninja 250R SE Posts: 376
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So Mobil 1 which wants to sell you synthetic says it is fine to switch back and forth. Also there are many blends of synthetic and conventional sold. So for me this issue is 100% closed, but of course everyone can draw their own conclusions. Since the vast majority of high performance cars (including Corvette) come from the factory with Mobil 1, I'm skeptical about the idea of having to wait before using a Synthetic for the 250. But there have been enough people warning about it that I just don't know the answer on that one. I have my doubts though. |
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ninjette.org guru
Name: Jessica
Location: Calgary, Canada
Join Date: Jul 2009 Motorcycle(s): '09 Metallic Diablo Black Posts: 298
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What type of oil is recommended for a bike that's going to be sitting through a Canadian winter in an unheated garage? Is 10w40 good enough or do I need something else? It gets down to the -30c (-22f) range sometimes.
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#169 |
Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.
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10w-40 conventional motorcycle oil.
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Name: Jessica
Location: Calgary, Canada
Join Date: Jul 2009 Motorcycle(s): '09 Metallic Diablo Black Posts: 298
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Thanks! And what size of crush gasket do I need to get?
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Name: rock
Location: greenville, south carolina
Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): black Posts: A lot.
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Last futzed with by rockNroll; October 3rd, 2009 at 08:16 AM. Reason: I spell bad and added stuff. |
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#173 |
ninjette.org guru
Name: Jessica
Location: Calgary, Canada
Join Date: Jul 2009 Motorcycle(s): '09 Metallic Diablo Black Posts: 298
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Great DIY, kkim! I did my first oil change over the weekend and it was quite easy, thanks to your instructions.
![]() One thing to note, though: The Honda 15410-426-010 filter comes with both O-rings, but the large one is too large in circumference and too thick to fit in the groove. I just ended up re-using my existing O-ring after looking it over for wear and tear. |
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noob in training
Name: Ilya
Location: Milwaukee, WI
Join Date: Aug 2009 Motorcycle(s): '08 Ninja 250R (sold) '05 SV650S Posts: 175
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Would it be ok to reuse the old crush washer once? I'm planning on changing the oil and winterizing in a couple weeks so the bike won't really be used much at all on this oil change.
I already purchased some Shell Rotella T 5w40 and I'm about to order a K&N filter. My other question is (and this may be the wrong thread for it) is it really necessary to change the oil again in the spring? It just doesn't make much sense to me to change out perfectly good oil that has never even been used. |
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Name: Steve
Location: Providence, RI
Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): '95 BMW K75 Posts: 188
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I didn't have an extra crush washer available on my last change and just reused the old one, everything's been fine. |
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ninjette.org guru
Name: Anon
Location: Atlanta, GA
Join Date: Aug 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250 (Blue!) Posts: 488
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You'll get mixed opinions on the crush washer thing. Some will say that as long as you don't ever overtorque it, it will be fine to reuse it. I happen to think it's cheap insurance against potentially costly problems. If you do decide to reuse it, I'd absolutely recommend using a torque wrench.
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#177 |
noob in training
Name: Ilya
Location: Milwaukee, WI
Join Date: Aug 2009 Motorcycle(s): '08 Ninja 250R (sold) '05 SV650S Posts: 175
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I will be using a torque wrench but I have no idea if the previous owner did or not so I don't know what condition the crush washer is in. If I have time, I might just stop by the dealer and pick a couple up. I'm still undecided about changing my oil again in the spring so it may be a good idea to change the crush washer now. Is there anything else I need besides the oil, filter with O rings, and the crush washer?
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#178 |
ninjette.org guru
Name: Anon
Location: Atlanta, GA
Join Date: Aug 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250 (Blue!) Posts: 488
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Probably a funnel, a container for your old oil and possibly a cold beer
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#179 |
ninjette.org member
Name: anomolli
Location: Rockville, MD
Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R (red) Posts: 39
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@kkim:
Thanks so much for this DIY and your help in the winterizing thread. I just completed my first oil change today and it was a breeze. Printed out the PDF of this thread someone created and got it done no sweat! Gave me the confidence to tackle other maitenance things now. Cheers! |
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#180 |
Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.
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glad it helped you.
![]() learning to maintain your bike is a very rewarding experience. start with the easy stuff like oil changes and soon you'll be doing other items that you would normally pay a shop to do. save the money and use it to buy gear and mods! ![]() |
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#181 |
ninjette.org member
Name: Mychelle
Location: Texas
Join Date: Dec 2009 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250 Posts: 23
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Thank you for the DIY. It went to very good use today.
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#182 |
Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.
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some one's been busy, I see.
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#183 |
ninjette.org member
Name: Mychelle
Location: Texas
Join Date: Dec 2009 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250 Posts: 23
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#184 |
ninjette.org guru
Name: Dude!!
Location: Southern California
Join Date: Dec 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 250r Posts: 443
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What do you mean by grommets below? Are you talking about the top and bottom rubber portions of the filter that connect to the washer and cap?
[QUOTE=kkim;13608] Apply a little engine oil to the grommets on both sides of the filter element and turn and work the filter element into place. Be careful that the element grommets do not slip out of place. |
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Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.
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grommets/washers that come already installed in the center hole of the filter. just make sure they are seated well and don't come out.
see the rubber grommet/washer in the center of the filter element? |
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Name: Dude!!
Location: Southern California
Join Date: Dec 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 250r Posts: 443
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ninjette.org guru
Name: Dude!!
Location: Southern California
Join Date: Dec 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 250r Posts: 443
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Hey guys, quick question - can I re-use the O-rings?
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Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.
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yes, but why would you want to... unless the filter you bought didn't come with replacements?
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Name: Dude!!
Location: Southern California
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Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.
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I know people who have reused the o rings when they purchased the kawi filter and found out it didn't come w/ them. Just make sure to purchase a filter that comes with o rings next time and change them out at your next oil change.
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ninjette.org guru
Name: Dude!!
Location: Southern California
Join Date: Dec 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 250r Posts: 443
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Thank you for this DIY. I just got done with my first oil change!!! Super helpful.
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Name: Ed
Location: East Bay Area
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#193 |
ninjette.org member
Name: Daren
Location: Milpitas
Join Date: Nov 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja 300 SE Posts: 106
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Question about the WIX Filters.
Per the WIX website, there appears to be 2 numbers. http://www.wixfilters.com/filterlookup/motorcycle.asp EX250 Ninja 250R 250cc (86-89) 24941 http://www.wixfilters.com/filterlook...asp?Part=24941 EX250 Ninja 250R 250cc (90-07) 51358 http://www.wixfilters.com/filterlook...asp?Part=51358 The 51358 appears to be different than the 24941....being that I have an 09 Ninja, I want to be sure I purchase the correct filter. Also, where do you purchase them from, on-line, local auto or motorcycle shop? fwiw, I went to my local auto store (Kragens) and they have no listing for the 24941. They found a cross reference # (who knows where they got it from), but it's the wrong filter. Thanks for any insight, as I am planning for an oil change soon ![]() |
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ninjette.org certified postwhore
Name: Paul
Location: Roanoke, VA
Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Candy Plasma Blue 250R Posts: A lot.
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I've been using the 24941 on my '08 and it fits perfectly. Buying from a very small local store because the chain shops in the area don't carry WIX or anything else I trust.
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Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.
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the 51358 filter you listed most definately will not work in a stock new gen bike.
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ninjette.org member
Name: Daren
Location: Milpitas
Join Date: Nov 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja 300 SE Posts: 106
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Thanks for the replies.
Well, sadly, and three weeks later, I finally got the correct WIX filter (special order) from my local auto store. However, it did not come with the small rubber gasket. Needless to say, looks like I will be looking for elswhere to purchase my WIX filter. |
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ninjette.org sage
Name: aj
Location: New York / PA
Join Date: Jul 2009 Motorcycle(s): Red 09 Ninja 250r aka Sheila (RIP), Red '10 Ninja 250r aka Sasha (Sold), White '13 Ninja 300 (To be Purchased) Posts: 855
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Hmm, couldn't find WIX anywhere, could barely find anythign else than fram and I'm not sure i want to use fram.
Also, some guy that owns a bike shop by me told me not to use 10w-40 as it is very useless and also that I MUST use motorcycle oil or else itll ruin my engine within 100 miles of use because it has a special "additive" but he just kept repeating that so im not sure how much i trust his knowledge. Should I call the dealer i got my 1st service done with to see what kind of oil they used? I doubt they would have used synthetic correct? cuz i dont want to put conventional oil in if they did. suggestions? advice? ridicule? ill take anyting
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Name: rock
Location: greenville, south carolina
Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): black Posts: A lot.
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Never mind what oil the dealer used... use what you want, be it dino oil or synthetics. If you're havin trouble finding a filter then get/order one from the dealer, get some motorcycle oil and go at it. Have fun! ![]()
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Name: Chris
Location: Huntsville, AL
Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250 (sold) Posts: 755
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I got a question. Has anyone picked up any 5w-40 Rotella lately. I was looking around because im due for an oil change soon. Anyways the bottle looked redesigned so I became alert and I looked at the back of the bottle and it said that it was supposed to help fuel economy, which I think means it has additives that are no bueno for a wet clutch system.
If anyone has any more info on this it would be much appreciated.
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ninjette.org sage
Name: aj
Location: New York / PA
Join Date: Jul 2009 Motorcycle(s): Red 09 Ninja 250r aka Sheila (RIP), Red '10 Ninja 250r aka Sasha (Sold), White '13 Ninja 300 (To be Purchased) Posts: 855
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Mobile 5000 10w-40 and K&N 401 filter. The mobile 5000 shouldnt cause any problems correct?
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