March 30th, 2010, 05:26 PM | #41 |
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March 30th, 2010, 05:37 PM | #43 |
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If nothing else, I appreciate all the threads like this because they help me remember to be careful and to watch out for these things. We're all human here, and we all make mistakes. I don't see why we can't support people and help them learn. There are always going to be people crashing on this forum, especially considering the amount of growth we've had since I started. Let's try to keep up the "friendliest forum" reputation we have. I take pride in that, and it is the #1 thing that worries me about getting a bigger bike. I want to have friendly people to confide in, to be scrutinized and corrected, but not made to feel bad about my mistakes.
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March 30th, 2010, 06:29 PM | #47 |
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Hi Adrian - you're exactly right, we're all human and we all make mistakes. Glad you're OK, and hope the bike is in great shape right quick. The concern of some is that riders who crash don't truly admit to those mistakes. Doesn't matter a whit whether they admit it to their friends, this site, or anyone else, actually. Matters if they don't admit it to themselves, as then they may be less likely to figure out what changes to make in their riding so it doesn't happen again. You crashed. You made a mistake. If you had done things differently (identified the hazards, avoided the debris, put less lean angle/other inputs to the bike while on the debris), it's entirely possible that you wouldn't have crashed. That's the whole point of why people react the way they do (each and every time) to threads like this. It's not to antagonize you, it's not to make the site seem unfriendly, and it's truly to get all folks here on the same page in terms of the basic tenet: Crashing is not OK. Something went terribly wrong for it to have happened, and what can you (we) do differently so it's highly unlikely to happen again. Right?
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I admitted I made a mistake Alex and was hesitant to start this thread- seeing that KCs videotaped crashed also had jerk offs mouthing off. Just because someone is considered a jokester and uses sarcasm....doesn't mean it's okay to treat others with little respect---isn't that one of the rules of this forum? A "friendly" forum....not so friendly when people are talking trash....calling people names....(dammit where's my dunce cap?) Alex- honestly....maybe people should adhere to being respectful and friendly? To me- it makes me laugh but doesn't make me want to share.... So back to what went terribly wrong Alex --because it is why I started this thread....I remember going into the turn...it was a left handed u shaped turn...I chose my line....leaned the bike....and maybe about 3/4 of the way through the bike went from right under me.....thinking back...I don't know what I could've done....when I picked my bike up...I noticed there was a small amound of grvel and dirt.....I thought to myself that must be why the bike slid out from under me.....I didn't have enough time to recognize the debris and avoid it as I was in a lean and had some decent speed.....my mistake if I had to go back....of course slow down.....before the turn and avoid the debris....the turn was a u-shaped turn...I think I was looking farther ahead than normal and not so much what was on the road....it wasn't a lot of debris just just enough .... |
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March 30th, 2010, 07:37 PM | #49 |
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Makes sense. Nobody here but you knows exactly what the conditions were, exactly what the bike was doing at the time, and exactly how you reacted when the bike started doing something unexpected underneath you. Unseen debris is a pain in the ass, and can certainly be surprising. I have a hunch that you're never going to be surprised at that particular corner again. If we ride enough miles, we're all going to come across a whole bunch of unexpected things in the road, and even if we avoid most, we're going to run over a portion of it. The trick to keeping the shiny parts of the bike shiny is that after the first event happens (bike runs over debris), the second event is using the time/traction/space in reserve to keep the bike from hitting the ground. Maxes out the event to possible underwear change, rather than a plastics/fairings change. I guess IMO, and only IMO, if I hit unseen debris in the road, and that causes the bike to get so out of control that it's on the ground before I can react, I was either going to quickly in the corner with not enough margin (lean angle / space), or I wasn't being observant enough to see something so large & significant that it didn't allow me that time/space to recover. At least that's the hope. It has kept my bikes off their side for most of their lives, most of them make it through our entire ownership without ever hitting the deck, and I'll do what I can to keep on keeping on. Folks like Sailariel and others on this site (and other sites) with decades and decades without an accident show that it's possble...
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March 30th, 2010, 08:31 PM | #52 |
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On this note, I was taught in the MSF course to look where I want to go when I'm turning. How do you balance that technique with looking at the road for obstacles? Is slowing down the only method, because that's all I've managed to figure out, and in some situations it makes for cagers that are far too close for comfort behind me.
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March 30th, 2010, 09:42 PM | #53 |
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Adrian, sorry to hear bro. Is it possible that the tires might have added to the accident. If I recall correctly, you are currently running BT003RS' in 150 size, yes? Some say that tire in that specific size is too big for the rims and is way too pinched (compared to say the BT016). Because it is pinched, you have less traction at certain lean angles. Regardless, I think everyone here is glad you are safe. I hope to come ride when you guys some day but I know I am nowhere near the level of rider to be riding in those canyons.
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March 30th, 2010, 11:06 PM | #54 | |
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March 31st, 2010, 12:52 AM | #55 | |
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They have a drill where you sit on a chair and look at a wall in your house. You fix your gaze in one spot and try name off all the things you can see without moving your eyes. Surprisingly you will find you're aware of everything that's on that wall. Then you repeat the drill only this time you move your eyes to look at everything directly and surprisingly it takes much longer to spot everything. Your putting more effort into looking around and if anything its making the job harder and slower. So the trick is to train yourself to be aware of things your not looking directly at. If you looking directly at something usually your missing something else. So look down the road, but train yourself to be aware of more. Thats just one page of the book, the others are just as helpful.... It's easy to practice too, as I look at my screen typing this, I can see a bunch of stuff in my peripheral without actually looking directly at it. Like both my phones. I'd be able to tell if someone rang me on either of them, of course I'd have to look directly to see who is calling, but the point is if your looking down the road and you see an rough surface, or a circular pattern in your peripheral you know its going to be sand/gravel or a manhole/pothole without actually needed to look directly at it, instead of putting effort into looking then reacting, you should have already reacted to your peripheral vision. At least you can practice this when your not on the bike
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2-wheel vehicles do not perform well on gravel and it's not always easy to spot at a distance. Most of these crashes can be avoided by riding slower and paying attention to the road more, mine included. It's not rocket science why these crashes happen. Slow down and pay more attention and you'll crash a whole lot less. Mistakes are no big whoop as long as there's no lasting damage and you learn from them, right? |
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I grew up in a military family, if any of you have been in the military you know that boot camp training not only gets you in shape but can also save your life in many of life's experiences. During this training there is little hand holding and much hardcore advice given out in a direct and forceful manner. Maybe motorcycists should be put through the same type of training before they are allowed to hit the streets. If skills are drilled in to the rider then avoiding dangerous situations might be second nature. I'm sorry if you felt you were talked down to or ridiculed but I don't think the responses from me, or others, were nonsense. I respect you for not calling people names like "moron" or "jerk off" and adherring to the "friendly forum". It was a mistake for me to say you need to wear a dunce hat (I hate to see a grown man cry). Everyone on this forum is looking out for the rest of the members. Crashing is no joke. There have been some members seriously hurt. It takes balls to admit, to the forum, you crashed. It takes bigger balls to listen to people telling you you shouldn't have crashed and why. Sometimes you need to swallow your pride and listen to what people are saying. They are only trying to help, no matter how they say it. It is meant to prevent you from crashing again. Crashing once is one time too many.
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And to the OP...I'm glad you're not hurt. Mistakes and what not aside, we're pushing our luck out there on these machines as it is. Please, please be more careful than normal. I get streaks of stupid too, I'll be the first to admit that, but crashing out on the streets shouldn't be acceptable to anybody. I'm not directing my comments to anyone, but more so putting this here so that it's said directly and can be read by everyone. There's this attitude out there that crashing is a normal part of riding a motorcycle, but it seriously shouldn't be. I consider crashing my car to be highly unnacceptable and will do everything in my power to avoid it. Why should falling/crashing on my bike be any different, if not even less acceptable given what's at stake? |
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March 31st, 2010, 10:09 AM | #59 |
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Really glad you're okay Adriann, Man I got the chills reading it.
Hope you heal up okay. Alex and I did the repairs on my bike after my spill at GMR |
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March 31st, 2010, 10:39 AM | #60 |
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Good stuff, I just finished "Sport Riding Techniques" by Nick Ienatsch and am about half through Twist of the wrist 2. Both books are great. I definitely have a LOT better understanding of what is going on with the bike now and have a hell of a lot more respect for the racing aspect as well.
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CC I am so touched you'd write me such a long love letter. Thank you so much. (Hearts in my eyes).
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While we're all group hugging, anyone know a book that can tell me how to avoid carnivorous man hole covers?
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This is not directly related to the crash, but I'm 30 years old and by far, the best lesson I've learned is this: try to see things from other people's perspective. Put yourself in other people's shoes, or whatever variation you want. One subset of this advice is the so-called "golden rule". In this particular case, if you had been practicing this ethic, you would have noticed this epic hypocrisy as you were typing. But I'd bet money that you didn't notice it until CC brought it up. He's much more comical and eloquent than I am, so pardon my poor writing skills. I'm an engineer Peace out. |
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Oh Samer- I knew what I was doing...you're 30 and I'm much older than you...I don't need a lesson in jargon or English or word usage....
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Stop looking at: 1. your ipod/iphone 2. the hot soccer mom in her suburban next to you. 3. the bike you so want 10 car lengths a head of you. 4. your GPS because you probably already know where you're going. 5. the opposing traffic because you saw some hot chick in a convertible. 6. your hot new gloves. 7. trying to find the Off Button for your turn signals. 8. the bumper stickers on the hippie mobile in front of you. 9. the guy who's digging gold out of his nose. 10. the girl who just so PWNED you on her 250 because you were checking out her gear. Among other possible assets.
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God, I just love this forum! Y'all rock!
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I just read your post about the tire eating, rim biting, bike munching post about your accident. I rescind the smarta$$ comments.... but at least they can be used for others that are NOT paying attention to the roads ahead of them. <batting eyes>I hope you forgive me.</batting eyes>
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Many, perhaps most, of us are new riders. After all, we are reading and posting on the ninjette forums, the premier forums for the ninja 250. Which is sort of the defining example of "beginner motorcycle".
I am a beginner, I never owned a motorcycle until last November. I thought I would enjoy it. I do, more than I imagined. I have ridden 6k miles in 4 months through a very cold winter. I would really like to retire this bike due to excessive miles, rather than have it see the fate of nearly all of its kind. I surely don't want to get hurt. We all make mistakes. I made one today. There was a deer to my left, I did not see. It was running along the road. I got my hand on the brake lever just as it decided to run back into the forest, rather than run into the road. Deers are massively stupid about roads and traffic. I am really glad that I am not posting about my wreck, that didn't happen today. A long time ago, similar situation, I was in my old white chevy truck. That time the deer tried to cross, and rammed the side of my truck. Ruined the door panel on an already beat up truck. Im glad I was in a truck. What was my mistake today? I did not observe the deer until it was too late. Better observation skills, I can practice, and hopefully learn. Until then? Slow down! I was going 50 on a 45 county road. Sometimes, slow is better than fast. I am not an expert at observing road hazards, I am not an expert at motorcycle handling. Slower means more time to observe hazards, more time to evade them. Today, the deer reminded me to take it slow. Deer, gravel, crushed pop bottles, CARS THAT VIOLATE YOUR RIGHT OF WAY, whatever. It should not be in the road, in your path, but it is. Will 1 extra second allow you to avoid the danger? How about 1/2 second? What about 1/10 of a second? That 1, 1/2 , 1/10 of a second, is a better chance of saying "Whew Im glad I avoided that. Better than posting a message about your messed up bike and how your gear saved you. Better than not posting for a while and then a story of how you got hurt. Better than a post from your next of kin. If you were in basic training in the Army preparing to go into dangerous combat, and something happens that is obviously not great, and a sharp tongued drill sergeant tells you that you should sit in the corner wearing a dunce cap... It is fine to cuss him under your breath. And yes he is an asshole, just like all of us are from time to time. But he is a survivor. If you want to be a survivor too, find the helpful advice among the insults. I THOUGHT I had found that advice. The retard deer reminded me today. I am not the great at observing dangers on the road, I am not great at motorcycle handling. I still want to ride. Given my options, I'd rather slow down a bit today, than be laid up, or worse, tomorrow. |
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Ladies and Gents....I am in awe of all the wonderful advice...stories....jokes....and knowledge that is being presented in this thread. Thank you all so much and please keep them coming...especially the laughs because my ribs are so sore when I laugh I'm in pain...which reminds me of my mistake (samer) I made in the canyon.
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