September 12th, 2010, 11:08 PM | #321 |
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I want to order some oil, and the website gives me 2 categories: 4 Stroke Oil and 2 Stroke Oil - what's the difference?
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September 12th, 2010, 11:46 PM | #322 |
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Your ninja is a 4 stroke twin inline engine.
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September 13th, 2010, 01:51 PM | #323 |
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Another newbie question.....
I don't have a rear stand for the bike, so if I do an oil change, it will have to be done using the side stand, unless anyone has any other recommendations on how to support the bike when doing an oil change. Does the procedure remain the same whether the bike is on the side stand or centerstand/rear stand? Thanks for any advice. |
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September 13th, 2010, 01:53 PM | #324 |
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October 21st, 2010, 09:05 AM | #325 |
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what exactly is "After the oil has completely drained out, install the engine oil drain plug with a new gasket" the new gasket.. Is that another peice u need to purchase, is it ok to reuse your old one?
Also, do I have to use a torque wrench, I cant seem to find a cheap one localy, the only one I find is like 89.99 the cheap one is this one and dont know how effective it would be http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/brows....jsp?locale=en which doesnt even go to 145 lb -ft Can i do it sans-torque wrench or is that a necessity? |
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October 21st, 2010, 09:21 AM | #326 | |
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October 21st, 2010, 09:24 AM | #327 |
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the gasket is basically a washer that is slightly softer metal than your average washer so it will mold between your drain plug bolt and the oil pan. They are cheap, and supposed to be changed every oil change, but I've changed mine maybe once a year so far.
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October 21st, 2010, 09:50 AM | #328 |
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thats the torque wrench i use. I have a better more expensive one, but it doesnt have a low enough setting for the bolts. I would use it if you arent sure of the right amount of pressure. If you are like me and only use a rear stand, the wrench is too long to tighten the drain plug anyhow... I torque up the oil filter to spec, and then go by how that felt to do the drain plug.
As for the washer, you will be able to tell by looking at it. My first change I didnt bother, because I did the oil early so it still looked fine. After having the oil done at a shop when I took her in for her first check up, everything was overtightened, my o rings hadnt been changed and were squished, and I could tell that the washer needed replacing (and I need to find a new shop!) good luck! |
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October 21st, 2010, 10:17 AM | #329 |
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A torque wrench is undoubtedly the right way to go. That being said - I've never used one on my bike or car. I'm too cheap.
I usually get that baby nice and snug with the wrench and then give it one more firm tug. This has always worked for me. YMMV.
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October 21st, 2010, 10:29 AM | #330 | |
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To me torque wrenches are a must. The last thing you want is to strip the threads on the crankcase (too tight) or spill oil while riding (too loose). I'm not sure if you have a Harbor Freight Tools around your area but I've found them to have the cheapest (though not the best) torque wrenches. Most say they are fine. Lastly, I recommend replacing the washer each time. They should be less than a buck for each. I suggest buying a few at one time so you always have some handy whenever you need to do an oil change. Good luck! |
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October 21st, 2010, 11:45 AM | #331 |
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I always buy Wix oil filters (thanks to kkim advising...)
Anyway they always include 2 new gaskets (o-rings for both the plug screw and filter itself) |
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October 21st, 2010, 11:55 AM | #332 |
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those 2 o-rings are both for the oil filter. it doesn't come with a drain plug gasket. I know this because I use Wix filters as well. The drain plug gasket is an aluminum crush washer.
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October 21st, 2010, 12:16 PM | #333 | |
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http://www.harborfreight.com/1-4-qua...rce=googlebase I was about to order one but noticed that they handle a range of 20-200 ft/lbs. The plug only requires 14.5 ft/lbs.
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October 21st, 2010, 12:23 PM | #334 |
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Brian,
That wrench specs are in inch/pounds, not foot/pounds. To get the conversion, multiply the ft/lb spec by 12 to get in/lbs. 14.5 ft/lbs =174 in/lbs Those HF wrenches are so cheap, I bought 1/4", 3/8" and 1/2" drive torque wrenches for less than what you would pay for one 3/8" drive wrench from the "name" brand companies. |
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October 21st, 2010, 01:08 PM | #335 |
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"Thanks Kim. Wrench ordered" said Brian, walking to the cupboard for a double dose of vitamin C.
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October 21st, 2010, 03:27 PM | #336 |
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yes you are right I forgot lol!. So no I've never replaced the drain plug gasket...
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October 21st, 2010, 03:44 PM | #337 | |
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I don't think I've ever replaced a sealing washer on a motorcycle oil drain plug. If it doesn't look deformed just reuse it.
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October 24th, 2010, 08:37 PM | #338 |
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I've only put a little under 1,500 miles on my bike this summer ( ), do you guys think I need to change my oil as part of the winterization process or will I be ok leaving it as is until I get a bit closer to 3k miles on the current oil?
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October 24th, 2010, 09:42 PM | #339 |
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Anyone notice that the larger O-ring included with the Wix and KN filters are too big? In both thickness and circumference. I end up paying $4 at the dealership for a crappy little piece of rubber that actually fits. :P
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October 24th, 2010, 09:49 PM | #340 |
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Really? the KN-401 filters? I've used 1 wix and 1 KN (only done 2 oil changes so far) and havent found too much of a problem. They are slightly larger but if you oil it and wedge them into the grooves, they sit perfectly. I think they're designed to be slightly thicker so that they compress when tight.
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October 24th, 2010, 09:54 PM | #341 | |
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Squeezing in a thicker O-ring can be done, but how do you manage to cram in the extra length? |
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October 24th, 2010, 10:48 PM | #342 |
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Strange because the extra length wasn't noticeably difficult to squeeze in. Maybe the O-rings are different from the ones you were supposed to get. Did you take it back to the store and see if all were like that?
When I said there was more length, I didnt mean alot. It was maybe bulging just a little and if you keep pushing, it just works itself out. If you cant squeeze it in, I suspect a defective batch. |
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October 25th, 2010, 12:01 AM | #343 |
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I would change it just before the bike was winterized.
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October 25th, 2010, 07:35 PM | #344 |
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October 30th, 2010, 02:42 PM | #345 |
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Hey guys how's it going - I'm new to the forums =) I'm currently doing an oil change and accidentally unscrewed that bolt and some oil leaked out. Thinking it was the filter bolt, doh! (what a dummy) This is my first oil change on a motorcycle. Could someone please explain to me what that bolt is? Urgent! I cannot find it anywhere. Thanks guys |
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October 30th, 2010, 03:44 PM | #346 |
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Anyone out there? Probably all out partying at Halloween parties! I am also trying to get my bike running so that I can get to a party
Please anyone that knows what that bolt holds please let me know Apparently I loosen that bolt and a some oil flushed out. I need to know what kind of oil it is so that I can top it off with some more. |
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October 30th, 2010, 03:53 PM | #347 |
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I don't have a clue - but I'm pretty sure it was just motor oil. I can't think of what other type of fluid would come out from that location.
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October 30th, 2010, 04:21 PM | #348 |
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Thanks for the input austxjg. I just went for a ride and everything seems fine. When that bolt was taken off, I remember a clear fluid. Think it can be transmission oil, clutch?
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October 30th, 2010, 05:05 PM | #349 |
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James,
That's an oil drain location that was used on the previous gen ninjas. When they designed the new gens, they kept that oil drain plug location and then added another where they tell you to drain from. The problem with the old drain location is that if you strip the oil drain hole threads, you end up having to replace your engine cases to fix the drain hole. I suggest you use the proper oil drain plug location provided on the new gens in the future. |
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October 30th, 2010, 06:16 PM | #350 |
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So the neww gen has two oil drain plugs? Thank you so much. I'm currently at the gas station typing this. Have it on the back of my mind that something is not right.have a sick Feeling that something terrible is going to go wrong. I can now rest assure.
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November 3rd, 2010, 08:32 PM | #351 |
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November 6th, 2010, 05:55 PM | #352 |
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This is a great oil change write up, probably one of the best I've seen for the 250r . I will be doing my first oil change in the next couple of weeks as I prep it for winter storage. I bought some Castrol Grand Prix 10w-40 motorcycle oil. I didn't feel like shelling out the bucks for synthetic when it's just going to be sitting in my garage during winter. Perhaps I'll switch to synthetic after the first couple of rides in the spring and switch to another filter brand like K&N as my local store only had Fram. Has anyone obtained good results with the Castrol oil? I've used Castrol in my cars and they've always worked well.
As it's already been mentioned and confirmed, the gasket is 12mm. According to this website, http://www.cheapcycleparts.com/model...semblies/25892, the exact dimensions of the gasket is 12x22x2 and the oil drain plug is 12x15mm. O rings are 16mm and 90mm. It's a good website to refer to if you need odd parts and want to know the dimensions and sizes. There are diagrams of the entire bike and every part it seems with the part #s. |
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November 10th, 2010, 05:20 PM | #353 |
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Have you tried cycle gear? I get k&n's from them.
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November 10th, 2010, 05:30 PM | #354 |
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November 15th, 2010, 01:23 AM | #355 |
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K&n 401
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November 15th, 2010, 08:34 AM | #356 |
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Yes. KN 401 fits as does the WIX 24941. I've used them and they are both very good. However, since I modified my set up with a Bergman adaptor I now use spin-on filters. Sooo much easier.
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November 27th, 2010, 10:56 AM | #357 |
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So it looks like I'm missing a couple of parts from the filter.
My filter doesn't have that top cap and I also don't have a washer for the spring. I checked cheapcycleparts.com, but can't find replacement parts for it. Is it something generic I can get at any motorcycle shop? Anyone know the size to the washer? I also want to replace the bolt to the oil filter since it looks very rounded. Thanks in advance! BTW, I hope it's not harmful not having that top cap. I've already done two oil changes without it so far |
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November 27th, 2010, 11:31 AM | #358 |
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Were you looking at the right diagram on cheapcycleparts.com?: http://www.cheapcycleparts.com/model...semblies/25892.
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November 27th, 2010, 12:04 PM | #359 |
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Cuong,
those are bike specific parts and should be installed when you do your next oil change or sooner. |
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November 27th, 2010, 01:52 PM | #360 |
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Haha thanks guys, I feel like an idiot now. I've been searching that site from my phone (about 99% of my web use is from my phone) and touchscreens are not able to scroll. I just went on my laptop and lo and behold, just scroll right for the oil filter diagram. Thanks again!
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