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I'd be interested to see this same subject covered again in 10 years to see the responses from some of the same people. I've had the 600's and the 1000's and could hang with anyone around here on public streets while being well over triple the speed limits and now at a still young 32 years of age I have a Yamaha FJR and a 2009 Ninja 250 and loving every minute of each of them. I used to go out in groups of over a 100 at times and we would brag when we stopped for a bite to eat about how many times and long we maintained 160+ mph. I guess my priorities have adjusted and that kind of speed on the streets is just not important to me any more. I've dodged my fair share of farmers with shovels, my fair share of life changing tickets, and my share of close calls. I choose now to enjoy life a little more on the "slower" side... if that is what you want to call it.
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July 14th, 2011, 10:39 AM | #91 |
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If you have the torque, you can use it on a regular basis to move you and your bike away from a position you don't like, away from a group of morning phone texters that you have observed driving distracted or even to quickly jump ahead of someone who doesn't see you and is now changing into your lane. Using the power of a motorcycle to prevent getting into a jam can be a good thing, and not a poor decision. On my way to work in the morning in 75mph traffic, I'd prefer to twist the throttle and quickly zoom away from a distracted driver rather than grab a hand full of brakes and get asspacked by minivan. I probably use throttle to avoid trouble more than brakes. People who say using the power of a motorcycle to prevent a sticky situation is a bad decision, crutch or shows lack of skills are fools, ignorant on the subject, or just like to munch sour grapes.
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July 14th, 2011, 10:42 AM | #92 |
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There are so many factors to this thread. For me on the 250 my lower end gets squished when I ride and let me tell you it HURTS even if I'm not going over a bump, when I do i have had to pull over because of that pain you get.
As for some of the comments about sloppy shifting and so forth, IMO I ride to be as precise as possible, no matter what size I'm riding; here in Canada we get 5 months of riding time, so we like to have as much fun as possible and do not worry about gas mileage. As for the capability to pass and fly through traffic it's much safer on a 600 because if your being stupid at least you have the power to make those stupid decisions sometimes...Not smart, but personal choice. Lately I've found myself ALWAYS being above 8 rpm and I still can't get the pull I would like. When I cruise around and there isn't any traffic, just accelerating and going fast is something that's fun, and I believe a lot of people who ride would agree. Unless the only reason people have a bike is to have cheap commuting maybe a sport bike or some discussions about bikes aren't relevant to your purpose (not talking about anyone in this thread, but I've seen it before) A lot of people like to ride to have fun, and sometimes having fun is being a bit stupid and getting adrenaline; twisting the throttle on a 250 isn't adrenaline packed. Now being a 250 owner I LOVE this bike because it is easy to handle and throw into corners, but being a human being I like to experience new and different things. No maybe a 600 isn't smart in some people's opinions, but how do we know the 600 owners on they're forums aren't having discussions about 750's and 1000's + and why you should or shouldn't get them and they have the same reasoning as we do. I do not recommend starting on a 600 because you do have to learn the fundamentals of riding and cornering most importantly and on a 600 there is MUCH more room for error. Plus all the available power makes the inexperienced even more tempted to "try it out" But I believe if a rider has learned on a smaller displacement bike riding a 600 should be a great opportunity. Now yeah, for some the 250 is MUCH better than a 600, maybe it will be for me too. Lots of people have had 600+ bikes and got a 250 for whatever reason (maybe new experience) and love it much more My point is I do not defend either side. Both have advantages and disadvantages depending on who you are and how good of a rider you are and so on.
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No you cannot rely on power to save you, but you surely shouldn't always rely on the brakes, just like some drivers think letting go of the wheel will save them all the time. An experienced rider will have complete knowledge about using the gas and brakes together to ride safely.
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So how fast are you going if everyone is going 75 when 65 is the limit. That fact is putting everyone in danger. Are you one to be distracted by distracted drivers weeving lane to lane? fact on motorcycle you need to be defensive because if you depend on throttle to get you out of a jam you might get yourself in your own. commuting or being a racing squid, Its speed that puts you in the hospital or kills you so its same thing. Speeding on a track is ok, On the street there is never a excuse especially when you are already speeding.
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July 14th, 2011, 03:11 PM | #97 |
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hah unfortunately there are far too many people in the world who have neither of these.
but i completely agree, if you know how to ride well enough not to do something stupid and don't make poor decisions, being able to easily GTFO of a situation fast is very useful. if you watch for it, it's usually pretty obvious when someone is going to do something stupid before they actually do it. being able to get away from them before they do that stupid thing is pretty nice. and like others have said brakes/slowing down to avoid an issue means not only is that issue still around you, but now you have to allocate more of your attention to what's going on behind you, and you lose some of the attention you can pay to the already known issues in front/beside you
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July 14th, 2011, 07:31 PM | #101 |
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if you have to do any kind of evasive move,do you think its better wasting time with banging some downshifts or rolling on throttle and getting out of harms way-milliseconds count in accident avoidance-it's not just motor-it's the whole sum of the parts-suspension,brakes,etc.if you are at full lean on the 250 and there is a pothole that you can't avoid at the apex of a turn,what happens?-i know on a bike with cartridge and usd forks i would be more sure of the outcome-600's are still peaky -your going to have downshift them as well-try a 1000 -you'll like it- i swear
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July 14th, 2011, 07:50 PM | #103 |
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ratlab already hit this, but i never said I needed it to save myself. I said I've needed and used. Please pay attention. Thanks
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I dont know whats confusing defensive skill or common sense.
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July 15th, 2011, 12:29 AM | #105 |
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i think this kinda has to be broken into two sections... people riding a powerful bike who have proper skillsets for riding those bikes, and people who are new to motorcycles trying to ride something when they can't really handle it properly. for someone who's skilled enough to ride a bike in an aggressive situation i would say they would be better off having everything they ask for from the bike. they probably know what they're asking for, and hopefully know what that bike will give them. but when you're new to riding or have never asked for much out of a motorcycle and don't exactly know how much you need to ask for, or even how much you actually are asking for from a bike, bad things can happen quickly. to have someone who doesn't know what they're asking for be able to receive much more than they can handle leads to these bad things.
i know plenty of people who have been riding for a long time and ride larger displacement bikes, but have never ridden a bike at more than a slow "safe to them" crawl and never go more than 1/8th throttle, and really don't have very good skill when it comes to aggressive or emergency riding. likewise i know people who ride the **** out of their small displacement bikes and are very good at pulling as much as they can out of them.
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July 15th, 2011, 04:01 AM | #107 |
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If I'm on a lager bike I find my self speeding because its easy to. But my dd (ninja 250r) you know if your speeding. When you have a bike capable of 60+ in first you can get in some trouble
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July 15th, 2011, 05:15 AM | #108 |
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my zzr 600 had double disc brakes with 12 front brake pistons. One time a girl ran a red light on me. I was able to do a stoppie like a pro.Even though I had only been riding for a short period of time. I think the superior brakes and light weight of the super sport saved me that time.
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July 15th, 2011, 05:16 AM | #109 |
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To be honest a 250 really has all the power you need on a street as you’ll always be able to reach the speed limit. So a 600 or even a 650 is more than you actually need to hit the streets, yet I’m sure most riders would enjoy the additional acceleration and power at times.
As most have already mentioned, new riders should probably stay away from a 600cc because it is potentially more dangerous and smaller bikes can help with essential skill development. However, experienced/skilled riders should be able to use the larger bikes performance to make it as safe/safer at the same speeds. The fact that these bikes tend to travel a bit faster do to various reasons is a different matter entirely =P
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Some people can control them selfs others don't. I can't. I started riding when I was 12 and always had bikes. In last 5 years I downsized from 1500cc cruiser to Kiwi ZG1000 to Vulcan 500 and now bought 250. Plan on keeping the 500 and 250 for a long time. Did all that to save my life. I have no kids, but as I got older I get goose bumps thinking back how I use to ride. I love acceleration. If I have 100hp, I will use it at least 3-4 times during 50min commute. I would make a promise to my self before jumping on the bike not to ride fast and within 20 minutes I would be doing 130mph merging on the highway. I don't know why. Just could not stop. The feeling of leaving all the cars behind and passing guys on Harleys like they are standing still is just addicting. Had a really close call two years ago and sold my 1000. Now even with Vulcan 500, which has Ninja 500 motor, I still catch my self taking off like mad but at least the bike is slow enough to keep me out of trouble, Love the 250. Just changed my sprockets to 15-42 and now the bike is even slower of the line, which is good thing for me.
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The 250 is a nice bike. I well overpaid for mine and then crashed it and paid for it again. In that respect, I'm glad I crashed a 250. If I'd have well overpaid something scary like 20K for a literbike gsxr then crashed that, I'd be a sad, sad puppy.
That being said, I've owned five bikes. 3 GSXR's, one R6 and the Ninja 250. The only one of them I ever crashed was the Ninja 250, it was my third or fourth bike and I (more carefully now) push my limits just about every time I ride. I'm not just riding to commute but also to have fun and push myself. I never took my honda hatchbacks to the tracks either and won't take my bikes there. It's odd I didn't crash my first GSXR or the squiggly R6. It's odd I had no troubles riding a 600 as my first street bike and never killed myself in los angeles or crashed for that matter until I got a 250. I was scared as hell of my first GSXR and ended up selling it much too soon. I believe SS bikes are better built to handle mistakes from noobs, without regards to throttle control. Accept in the frame rake department. Experienced riders can benefit from a 250 more than a newb. I ALMOST did tank slap right off a GSXr once but learned really fast to loosen up and let the bike do what it wants and it immediately corrected itself before I died. To be honest I was about ready to jump off the motorcycle and began to let go, when the bike corrected and I realized I was gripping it too hard. All this was learned within a nanosecond at speed on the freeway. I think if you have a good brain on your shoulders and a good idea how to ride, you can predict most accidents coming before they do, unless of course you're getting a bit hot in the canyons. That can get ugly very very fast on any bike. motor or not. A graduated license test would be ideal in a perfect world, as previously mentioned.
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And as for your leaned over question; you shouldn't be leaned over that far on the street anyways, thats for the track, and two you can hit the back brake and up you go so you have the most tire hitting the pothole. And I own a 1000cc and have owned 2 600s, you know what a ZX-10r is right? |
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July 15th, 2011, 02:40 PM | #113 | |
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Perhaps YOU shouldn't lean over very far.. sounds iffy. what does "two you can hit the back brake and up you go so you have the most tire hitting the pothole." mean?
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July 15th, 2011, 03:10 PM | #114 |
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Certainly the liter bikes are faster at all speeds, but I was curious to find out how much faster strictly using top gear roll-ons as the measure.
From Aug '11 SportRider: 60-80 Roll-on/80-100 Roll-on: CBR600 - 4.00/3.56 ZX-6R - 3.64/3.49 GSX-R600 - 3.34/3.66 R6 - 3.85/3.67 Daytona 675R - 3.39/3.94 And from the July '11 issue: 60-80 Roll-on/80-100 Roll-on: ZX-10R - 3.03/3.11 BMW S1000 - 2.49/2.59 1198 - 2.60/3.17 There is no doubt the liter bikes are far more powerful. The 1/4-mile times, and more importantly, the trap speeds show this to be true. I didn't post the 1/4 times/speeds so don't tell me you don't see them. Of course anyone with a brain knows that 170+ HP in a 450 lb wet chassis will be faster than 120 HP in a 420 lb chassis. With that said, I don't see any real advantage to having the extra speed a liter bike offers. I'm not saying they aren't worth having, and I will more than likely get one some day. However, if going from 60-100 in 7.5 seconds in top gear isn't fast enough for getting out of trouble, then what the hell did you do?
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And no there is nothing wrong with my 185hp ZX-10r, the 0-60times of a 600 and 1000 are about .5 seconds different, because the 1st gear of a 1000 is so long(the transmission gearing)it takes a 1000 longer to hit the powerband then a 600. 1000s start to show their true strengths above 100mph, heck my 1st gear goes to 110mph(I had my redline raised to 14,300). Also with a 1000 you have to worry about keeping the front wheel down so you cant WOT it like a 600. |
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Edit: Not really seeing any. I am seeing acceleration and suspension though.. which isn't speed. You could accel from 20 to 50 really, really quick and never achieve much speed. There's a difference... right? Isn't most of this discussion about the ability to accelerate? Or the lack of ability? Well.. cept when someone goes off on something like speed.
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edit: perhaps what i said wasn't clear enough... you're keeping throttle on mid turn, while damping the power with the rear brake, causing the swing arm and rear shock to compress, "squating" the rear?
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Either way I don't care, and truthfully we are on the same page. I traded my 250 entirely because of the lack of power, or more specifically, its inability to accelerate rapidly.
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