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Why is it being 'upped'? Why cant someone retire at 35 y.o, why does someone have to tell him when to retire? Answer those questions and we'll be ontrack to find out just exactly what the problems in Greece are. I will have no compunction killing or advocating the killing of someone throwing a Molotov cocktail at me, my loved ones, or my colleagues. If a Molotov cocktial is not a deadly weapon, then what is, pray tell? 'Kids in America' will not be throwing molotov cocktails. If they are, they are no longer 'kids' but murdering lowlives. Same concept as if I was on patrol in a foreign nation and took rounds from a 12 year old with an AK. Its neither illegal or immoral for me to kill a 'kid' attempting to use a deadly weapon to do the same to me or mine. |
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anyway this thread is getting far too out of hand. not to mention my power is about to be shut off for the night for repairs... maybe you should not have such a strong opinion on things... you make americans look ...well... i'll leave it at that.
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You believed incorrectly. I think I was pretty clear. You initially dismissed the attempted burning to death of a cop as if it was no big deal. Eh, everyday occurence. Well, not in a Western democracy with a profesional police force, it isnt. Quote:
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If members of the riot where starting to use deadly force then yes, their victims should have been able to reciprocate. Take this theoretical example, lets say a mob walk up to your front gate and the leader declares he is going to set fire to your house with your family inside. Do you have a right to shoot him dead and anyone else that is holding a torch?
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Why didnt you know this being such a history lover? Second, you shouldn't put yourself in a position to have Molotov's thrown at you. If you do, its your on fault (see Op's picture). Your final paragraph reinforces to me what I had previously believed that you are or are close with an ex/current member of police/military and there's nothing I can do to cure you of your disease of blindly spewing to defend your militaristic views. Anyhoo's, carry on.
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However, your twisting the story. When you put on a uniform and ride a motorcycle directly at a group of thousands of people who are obviously pissed, its your own damn fault. He essentially "approached their gates". Hmmm should I walk into the lions mouth? Or **** those are some sharp teeth maybe I shouldnt. p.s. Alex, Im American and look, I can manage to not advocate the killing of everything that goes against my views. Scumbags make the rest of the world hate us And yes, I still find the OP's photo funny. Yes, I am "Chortling" at his stupidity which lead to his misfortune. The guy took a Molotov to the head and walked away fine, whats there to be angry about? He has a story for his kids.
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I'm sorry but that has to be the most blatantly ignorant thing I've heard. The presence of law enforcement is the only thing that keeps a group of rioters from developing a mob mentality and destroying everything in their path. The hockey riots are a perfect example of this. Once things reach that point, there is little chance of getting things back under control. |
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no where in what he said was he advocating something. people seem to be taking a very strong "this or that" approach and apparently see no middle-ground. are you saying that you believe all public demonstrations will ultimately turn violent without police/military intervention? i disagree with this viewpoint. i've seen many peaceful demonstrations that never had a glimmer of "developing a mob mentality and destroying everything in their path"
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I never advocated for violence against law enforcement, wtf?
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The hockey riots are a joke, that was just a bunch of drunk people being retarded. And what happened when police started trying to contain them? The people got even more pissed, started trashing MORE stuff, and consolidated into larger more violent groups in concentrated areas. Many riots begin as peaceful demonstrations which the police then incite into mobs. Do some research, its completely common for police to send undercover officers into peaceful demonstrations to start crap so they can intervene.
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A law enforcement officer's job is to protect people, that includes protecting people from themselves. IT IS THEIR JOB TO BE THERE, so by doing their job they get what they deserve, including having a molotov smashed over their helmet? By stating that these people deserve to be hurt, you're implying that the protesters have the right to hurt them. Please tell me how that's not advocating for violence against law enforcement. Quote:
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Read y'all later. Gotta ride.
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This shits too much, the military/police member of our boards are way to obvious. And yes, those are direct quotes from me, and I think you need some literacy classes to get the proper context. Were they forced to choose this occupation? No. I dont care if its a job or not, you just shouldnt put yourself directly in such a position unless your prepared for the consequences. I.E. maybe stop a good 40 ft back from the crowd instead of right in front. Quote:
Please tell me how that's advocating for violence against law enforcement. Also, crowds without law enforcement presence typically self regulate. I.E. Everyone knows that they are there to peacefully demonstrate, if someone becomes rowdy the crowd usually takes care of them. Police arent needed to keep everyone safe, I've lived my life just fine without someone on my shoulder dictating everything I do. I do love a good debate, I look forward to your legitimate thought out responses.
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plural of in·grate Noun: An ungrateful person. What the heck should I be grateful for? Such terminology doesnt even have a place in this matter. Cmon now kkim. P.s. I dont want a response with anything along the lines of "DEFENDING MAH COUNTRIEZ/FREEDOMZ" mmkai?
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you're entitled to your misguided opinion... I'm entitled to mine.
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Lmao, way to set an example man.
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sorry, haven't read my senior member rulebook lately.
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Then allow me to point you in its direction.
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if you feel I'm guilty of an infraction, report it to Alex who will deal with it.
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Just enjoying the debate as you did say you were not familiar with the rules.
We'll let it slide eh?
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don't let it slide on my account. do what you feel is right.
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The game over comment... catch up on your movies man... It came out in 1986 I wasnt claiming to win an argument lol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2v...eature=related Quote:
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The majority holds sway, a largely peaceful crowd will remove violent members. Mob mentality works in all ways including peacefulness. Took a look outside your window, is there a raging mob because a policeman isnt on your corner? No. Quote:
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All the crackheads, child molesters, and other criminals get dropped off near salt creek from as far south as San Jose. How long do I think I will last? As long as I have so far and never has a law enforcement officer proved to be valuable. Damn, you really couldnt have picked a worse example for your case lol.
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Hey guys, I haven't had a chance to look back at this thread until now. Anyway I just thought this was a very powerful picture and posted it because it was semi-motorcycle related. I won't pretend to know or even care much about what is going on in Greece. But I wouldn't make light of the situation, and certainly not of the events going on in this picture.
Anyway, there is a video that goes with this image that shows what happens about 10 seconds before the picture was taken. I didn't post it before because it was removed from the source right after I watched it. However, I found it again and apparently it's much older than I thought. I'll let you watch it yourself and form your own opinions. http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-560803?hpt=T2 Try to keep the thread civil. kthx. |
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Watch it very closely, 0:37 youll see a fellow officer to the one in our picture run over a young individual with his motorcycle to which the crowd instantly reacts with petrol bombs and stones resulting in the OP's picture.
The guy taking the video yells bravo repeatedly, im guessing he was one of the demonstrators.
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I wish all the liberal progressive Marxist freak shows would go create their own utopian country, undoubtably burn it to the ground, and leave all us normal people alone.
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So how long before this thread gets closed?
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Personally, I could give two flying copulations as to what you think of folks that wear/wore a uniform. I am not now or ever have been a cop. But perhaps one day, I will pursue that career path, I dont know. However, let me make it clear, if you or any of your ilk ever see it fit to give me what 'I deserve' for doing my job honorably, youre going to get more of a response than you bargained for. And just because I know it'll chap your ass, this is how I spent part an afternoon today. Notice the hair? No one's mistaking me for a Greek protestor, lol. |
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"Angry youths amidst the demonstrators ran toward private buildings and began to beat them with mallets, breaking off marble pieces of buildings and lime stone from sidewalks to hurl at the riot police." Yep, sounds peaceful to me
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Yeah, when ever my friends and I go have a peaceful demonstration we always make sure to bring with us weapons of destruction (i.e. molotovs, sledge hammers/mallets, rocks, etc.)-SARCASM
In regards to demonstrations/protests/riots, when does anyone have the right to resort to violence just because law enforcement is present? The answer you are looking for is NEVER! Law enforcement was present to prevent those so called 'peaceful' demonstrators, who were carrying around weapons, from destroying property, hurting others, and endangering themselves. I have never seen or ever heard of a 'peaceful' demonstration maintaining the peace while the demonstrators are carrying around weapons. Also, I have never ever seen or heard of any 'peaceful' demonstrators policing their own potentially violent members. One of two things usually happens when violence breaks out during a demonstration: 1) Those who are more about peace than violence usually get the heck out of dodge or 2) They simply support the violence either by participating themselves or ranting on those who are doing it. The bottom line is that the issue with the officer being set on fire is no laughing matter and there is simply no justification for it. You may find some of the members here, who are or were in law enforcement/military (myself included), a little more passionate about this because of their own experiences/first hand knowledge about the subject at hand. However, you don't need to be someone who has served in a selfless occupation to understand that there is nothing funny or right about someone getting hurt for trying to uphold the peace, which in this case just happens to be their job. |
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