July 30th, 2011, 07:48 AM | #1 |
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Ever been robbed/attacked while riding?
...well, like at an intersection or in a parking lot
I know we all try to avoid riding through bad parts of town, particularly at night, but sometimes you can't. You hear a lot about people being robbed while they are are in their cars, and it seems people riding motorcycles would be even easier targets. I don't live in fear, but I do carry a Glock 40 cal in my truck-just in case |
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July 30th, 2011, 10:24 AM | #2 |
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I ride to Downtown Detroit quite often and the thought is always lingering in the back of my head, however unlikely it is. The city itself is great, but the ride back home is always a little scary. it's not that i fear getting attacked by someone, the rundown nature of the areas is harrowing. Think post-apocalyptic wasteland.
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July 30th, 2011, 07:46 PM | #3 |
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I think a biker is a more intimidating target than someone in a car.
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July 30th, 2011, 08:14 PM | #4 |
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No.
But like Mike, I seem to think about it more when I'm in the city and all the creepy people are eyeballing me!
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Think of how bikers are portrayed in the media, alot of the time, as people with a death wish. Although you are an easy target, you don't look like one.
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July 30th, 2011, 08:52 PM | #6 |
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, but I kinda doubt many hell's angels get jumped in detroit.
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July 30th, 2011, 10:05 PM | #7 | |
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July 31st, 2011, 03:47 AM | #9 |
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July 31st, 2011, 12:19 PM | #10 |
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Next question, is the .380/9mm enough to save you!?
lol jk
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July 31st, 2011, 01:42 PM | #11 |
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I usually just toss my cup at them....they gag and I'm off!
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July 31st, 2011, 01:53 PM | #12 |
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Lol, I know youre joking, but I can just sense some needledick is out there waiting to heckle from the peanut gallery, so I'll just say this.
Anyone that denigrates a 9mm, .380, or any centerfire pistol caliber is stupid, ignorant, and has learned about defensive use of firearms from their fat, lowlife uncle. The truth of the matter is that a pistol is insufficient for stopping a human being. The only sure way to end a threat immediately with a pistol caliber is to put rounds in the central nervous system. Otherwise, if a .380 ACP wont do it, neither will a .45 ACP. 800-1100 fps and 300-400 ft/lbs are not enough to stop a motivated adult human from coming at you, unless you flick off his 'off switch'. If you want to fight, you need a long gun. Since its impractical to strap a rifle across your back while riding, then folks make do with pistol size alternatives. However, a pistol, any pistol, is a compromise - giving up velocity and muzzle energy for compact size and smaller weight. If you think your going to negate this liability by carrying a .45 ACP instead of a 9mm, you dont know much about ballistics and defensive applications of firearms. |
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July 31st, 2011, 02:58 PM | #13 | |
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When firing on someone the goal is to incapacitate them. This can be done with a fatal shot to the brain, heart, etc. If you make that shot, it doesn't matter what caliber you used (as long as it was able to penetrate the bone). If you don't make that fatal shot then what will incapacitate your target will be blood loss/lowered blood pressure. A .45 makes bigger holes and leads to more bleeding and is more likely to incapacitate your target. As far as a carry weapon, I've never shot a lightweight 3-inch .45 so I don't know if the recoil would be too much to handle. If I could handle it I would get a .45 for a carry, if I couldn't I would get something smaller. Another point, I didn't do alot of research on it but I remember finding that the five seven 5.7mm pistols had fantastic ballistic tests due to their incredibly high velocity. Something to do with a bullet hitting flesh at over 2000fps (or whatever the critical velocity is) would cause significant damage. Now then, I would greatly prefer a 9mm to mace, thank you California.
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July 31st, 2011, 03:27 PM | #14 | |
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Sorry, I didnt mean to imply you specifically were stupid. If you choose a .45 ACP based on your experience and research, that's fine. Im talking about the gun store commandos that sneer at 'lesser' calibers because they are too stupid to realize what they are parroting and even though they are 60 year old jugs of fat, they have never carried a firearm in a real life situation. Like the one idiot in a gunshop that sneared at my Sig P226 and said it was a mouse gun. Anyway, the point Im trying to make is from this quote here, since I cant cut from adobe at the moment, Im posting the screenshot This is from Handgun Wounding Factors and Effectiveness PATRICK, Urey W.; Special Agent, FBI; 1989 Look it up on the internet, its an interesting read. |
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July 31st, 2011, 05:19 PM | #15 | |
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I haven't had the problem personally, but a local guy did....
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As far as hanguns, I really don't care what the "experts" say, if someone attacks me, they will find out first hand just what a 9mm kill round will do.
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July 31st, 2011, 05:55 PM | #16 | |
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If California ever grants me the right to carry then I will probably end up with a 9mm/.40 The recoil of a .45, especially quality defensive rounds, would probably be too much to shoot quickly and accurately in a smaller framed gun. I think if you shot a mouse with a p226 then it would cease to exist....
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July 31st, 2011, 07:47 PM | #17 |
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They always say it's not size that matters, it's how you wiggle it.
Same is true with bullets, to an extent. Shot placement is key, followed by sheer volume. That is why, regardless of caliber selection, we are taught to shoot until the threat has subsided. Although I do believe that in some instances a larger round will provide a greater chance for a one shot stop in comparision to a round with less applied muzzle energy placed in the same spot, BUT I do not like taking those kind of odds and will shoot until they go down. The type of round and weapon are also variables. The wounding power of a round is also a moot argument. Who cares if a hollowpoint .45 rips your arm off when compared to a clean FMJ 9mm wound....we are not trying to wound. Wounded people fight, dead people do not. Only difference between calibers when used by a trained individual is the mess the coroner has to deal with. FYI, the argument on caliber balistics is better applied to barrier penetration. In which case I would prefer .357 SIG.
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Never seen the need for a .40/.45 in a carry gun, too heavy too much recoil (esp in compact and subcompact).
Anyway, when dealing w/ motorcycles... A .22 gun would be the fastest/accurate combo if looking for speed and precision, and if you hit in the right spots, which even their reports above state, you will kill the target just the same. Plus you don't have to worry much about it going through your target and hitting some innocent person... plus it's much easier to carry on the bike, over my pk380. |
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Glockworld.com just sent me an email too with about 15 .22 1911s priced $250-$400 and I fell in love. If only I wasn't saving for a damn Area P exhaust
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July 31st, 2011, 09:32 PM | #26 |
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Enjoyed the responses
Saw a show about "blight" in Detroit-looks like after Katrina in some parts around New Orleans. Weird. Like I said pereviously, I carry a Glock 23 (40 cal) in my truck, between the front seats. I've never had to pull it, much less use it, and I hope I never do, but there have been several ocassions on which I felt very reassured just knowing it was there-either taking a wrong turn and finding myself in a bad part of town, when travelling, or, most often, when I have to get gas at some shadey gas/convenience store late at night so I don't run out. Seems like "gangsta" (wannabes like to hang out at those places. Personally, I don't see the appeal Wish I could figure out a place to keep it on my 'jette, like a glove box I also have a full-sized Springfield 1911 (45). I like it, but I shoot the 40 better-besides, it's got night sights. The recoil is no worse with the 45. I've heard it described as more of a "push" than a "snap" like the 40. I don't know except it's not bad at all. It's all steel, and it's big and heavy (helps with recoil, but I can't imagine having to carry it-even in a holster!). As Jiggles said, and just about true expert on handgun self-defense would agree, caliber doesn't matter nearly as much as skill. Kind of like motorcycles-someone with skill on a 250 will usually beat a bigger bike riden by someone with less skill-AND do it more safely! |
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July 31st, 2011, 09:39 PM | #28 |
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I usually just toss my cup at them....they gag and I'm off!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Touche, adri99an I may try that but... "GIMME YOUR WALLET!" "Hold on, Mr Criminal-I keep it...right here...UNDER MY BURLS!!!" |
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July 31st, 2011, 09:45 PM | #29 |
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July 31st, 2011, 10:22 PM | #31 | |
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I truly prefer my glock 19 over my compact 1911 (glock has tritium combat sigts and 16 rounds of CorBon) but I still carry the 1911 to feel nostalgic, or if I am dressing to impress (I have a gorgeous hand made holster that goes well with the stainless pistol--no homo) The pistol is heavy but recoil is nothing. My .380 actually snaps harder just because of size and weight. I wouldn't carry a .22 unless absolutely necessary. While they can be deadly, the fact is the ballistics do not end up in your favor. The time to kill is much longer unless direct control tower shots are made just because of the wound channel characteristics and very low round weight. This changes dramatically if you slap a rifle cartride behind that lil .22. Little entrance, large wound channel. A large percentage of people who actually end up in a shoot to defend situations are going to have a more difficult time using fine motor skills to aim. Add this to the low muzzle energy and reliability of a rimfire cartridge and it's just not the best choice when you must 1000% guarantee that it will go bang. I do have a Walther P22 that I tuck every now and again, but it is usually when I am walking through rattler territory. That and I feel like a hitman with the supressor on it. This is the most civil firearms dicussion I've seen, maybe we need a Post your Ninja Packin' Pics thread.
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July 31st, 2011, 10:38 PM | #32 |
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Yea, I got the 1911 45 partly for the nostalgia factor. It's part of our American heritage-literally. Also interesting that the design is 100 years old, and as much as gun designs have changed, it remains a very valid pistol. I've read of some soldiers in Afghanistan swithing back to 1911's from Berrettas for more "knock-down power", but now we'll be getting really deep into ballistics, calibers, loads, etc.-that's when the arguing starts Anyone interested in that shouldn't have any trouble finding numerous forums on which to kick that dead horse
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July 31st, 2011, 10:39 PM | #33 |
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...gun forums, that is
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July 31st, 2011, 10:43 PM | #34 |
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I always thought carrying weapons outside your house was illegal. Am I wrong?
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Only if you wear wool and go bahhhh.
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You need to get a CCW (concealed carry weapons permit) It varies from state to state, dont even try in cali though
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We had the opportunity to carry Glock 19's, SIG Pro 2022's, or if you were lower on the totem the Berreta. The Sig guys figured out real quick that they were better off with the Berreta, I personally had a G19. I think the Glock made an awesome close combat pistol..no problems with knockdown power at all FWIW...we also made a full-auto Berreta (like the FS). I have a pic of it somewhere around here, maybe even a video if I can locate it.
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The 1911 is the sexiest pistol. And on a bed of freshly cleaned brass? How could you disagree. (yes I know its not a REAL 1911 cuz it has a rail ) Thats my bro with my dads 44 mag. Thats a damn sexy pistol too. .22 vs .45 vs 7.62x54r (which goes in my $99 Mosin Nagant from Big 5, love that rifle!)
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