October 12th, 2011, 07:45 AM | #1 |
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October 12th, 2011, 09:46 AM | #2 |
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Ahh good ole Olbermann. In a nutshell, he summaries an anti elitism message but no one believes their points. Hell, if I didn't know about those points already, I would be suspicious of their rhetoric.
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I think it's mostly the politicians, rich, and the brainwashed that don't believe them. More and more people not only believe them, but agree with them. Everyday I see another "Occupy (state's name here)" group pop up. The movement is rolling and gaining momentum.
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In for later.
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October 13th, 2011, 07:58 PM | #5 |
So, where's the reverse?
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Starting to catch on up here in Canada as well.
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And yet there are so many people that think these people and those that agree with them are being stupid.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=R2yYiULZ0hA
you have to admit it is hard to take groups like this seriously. and my favorite of the day.... Caution for launguage. http://weaselzippers.us/2011/10/14/v...n-help-us-now/ This dude has smoked way way way to much pot and has an unparalleled way of powering future automobiles.
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I'm in stitches laughing at that "statement." Caricature of EVIL!
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ok, so they should all be there for Ron Paul????
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OMG the guy in my above link has been identified
Edward T. Hall III http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...ether-briefly/ Mr. Hall said that he grew up in New Mexico and that both his parents were politically active lawyers who were thrilled that he was pursuing a socially conscious life and was involved in the Occupy Wall Street protest. Mr. Hall said he attended Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh and then transferred to Bard College in upstate New York because of its reputation as a socially conscious school. He had been renting in Washington Heights for the past two years while attending doctoral classes at Columbia University as a nonmatriculated student. He said that he supported his modest lifestyle with savings from working as a teenager and that he also had “a small trust fund” from his grandfather that he had not drawn from yet. For the past four weeks, he has eaten free meals and has slept in the park. Isnt that the pot calling the kettel black??? A trust fund baby who is ditching class (if he attends any classes at all) to live in the park barefoot with the common folk and "strategize".
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Common folk? Again, commenting without a clue.
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I am the 53%
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October 16th, 2011, 08:15 AM | #17 |
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If she thinks she doesnt pay enough taxes she can always pay more.
Financial gifts can be made by check or money order payable to the United States Treasury and mailed to the address below. Gifts to the United States U.S. Department of the Treasury Credit Accounting Branch 3700 East-West Highway, Room 622D Hyattsville, MD 20782 Do ya think she will write out a check??? For those of you that feel you are undertaxed....please remit your "fair tax rate" that is above and beyond what you pay now to the above address. Yeah that includes the likes of Warren Buffet, Donald Trump, and any other tool who thinks I should pay more or they dont pay enough.
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Just as an aside here are the numbers that were paid in extra taxes. "gifts"
2010 -$2,840,466.75 2009 -3,063,057.05 2008 -2,189,358.89 2007 -2,624,862.42 2006 -1,646,209.41 2005 -1,455,541.65 2004 -664,911.25 2003 -1,277,423.40 2002 -744,675.06 2001 -1,645,082.28 2000 -1,868,891.93 1999 -1,457,510.59 1998 -1,535,541.02 1997 -955,897.15 1996 -1,985,175.10 A whopping 2.8 million last year. Looks to me like everyone is pretty happy with the taxes they pay. or at the very least they think they pay enough.
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Great link kyrider.
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Does anyone want to bet that...maybe in a week, maybe in a month but certainly before Nov 2012...we'll all find out that , if not our community organizer president, Big Barack, his camp is behind the demonstrations?
Barack wants to redistribute the wealth in this country and class warfare is one way to do it. If you agree with that goal...support the movement. If you dont, be absolutely sure you and your girlfriend and mom and dad and sister and brother and cousions, aunts and uncles and everybody you know simply vote republican in every and any election you can. I cant predict that a republican president, congress and house will do any better...but can it do any worse? |
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Personally I don't like either side cause neither side really works for the people anymore. Instead they both work for the lobbyists who in turn work for the top 1% and could give a damn about how hard you work to scrape together some form of living as long as they get 1000x more than you for less work. |
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Well Ill give ya that GW wasnt the greatest.......But WORSE than the current occupant???
You have to be kidding me. Yes he spent more than anyone before him Then along came Obama who...... guess what......spent even more. GW's average addition per year to the national debt $607 billion a year. During Obama's presidency to mid Jan of this year, the national debt has risen by an average of $1.6 trillion plus a year — or by a jaw-dropping $1.1 trillion more, per year. None of this even takes into account Obamacare, which the Congressional Budget Office says would increase spending by more than $2 trillion in its real first decade (2014 to 2023) Ill take GW back in a second......and I was no fan. heres a poll on the subject http://www.gallup.com/poll/149666/Ma...orse-Bush.aspx
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But since we're clearly trying to figure out who to point the finger at, try and reconcile this one data point with your view. This is Bruce Bartlett (adviser to Reagan, Treasury official under GHB) , speaking in Oct 2009. Quote:
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And the headline adds together the same and the worse numbers, for a total of 56%, and then reinterprets that to mean that the majority feel that Bush was doing a better job. That's some top-notch Fox News-style math right there.
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A lot goes into a person that makes them suited to lead and maybe the most has to do with how they are raised as children. Look into barack's bio while you're letting the oil drain out and you'll see that he was absolutely not raised by parents who took part in the AMERICAN lifestyle ( for better or worse). Our prez was not raised to share our values. Fast forward to his college years and the fact that, like many or most of us...he didnt have to work thru school because he went in on a race based quota. Move ahead further to his adult life as a community organizer who's purpose was not to empower but to shake down anybody who had more than the people whom he organized. I cannot find any account of anything he did that actually added to anybody's life but his own.
Simply, he did not share "American values". But he was kind of quiet about that in his campaign... Well...in office for 3 years now he's coming out in a big way. He will change our lives whether we like it or not...if we let him. Look...back in '08 things seemed so bad that we tried anything we could and elected him. In '11...things are a lot worse and there's no end in sight. Honest....how many of you were better off in '05,06.07 and 08 ? Are you worse off money wise, job wise, taxes, are we better off in any respect than we were 4 or 5 years ago? This isnt rocket science...he's sinking our ship. |
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Right. Because American values are about riding on your parent's coattails, getting into colleges you wouldn't qualify for academically due to family connections rather than affirmative action, trying to not let any drug activity or DUI's stick too long to your permanent record, and making sure that anything negative about your laughable military record stays buried.
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Most of it comes not from him, but from the effects we are feeling from the previous administration. Also many of the bad decisions have been coming out of the Senate, not the oval office. Direct your anger where it belongs, at Congress who have been screwing us and making presidents into puppets and scapegoats for decades now.
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October 16th, 2011, 03:11 PM | #29 |
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Not so much the Senate, but the House. No, No, No, to everything that's been proposed that would be for the public good, even if it was a Republican idea to start with. The do nothing or be against everything Congress. Their whole objective (Boehner, Cantor, etc. etc.), is to be as obstructionist to anything and everything he proposes, no matter how bad the country is screwed, to make him look bad and get him out of office. In the Senate, McConnell said their main focus is to make him a one term president. No jobs bill or even discussion of it, no proposals of their own, but pass ridiculous bills about abortion and limiting women's health care and same sex marriage. Is that what the country cares about? No, but it appeals to their base, like they're really accomplishing something. They were all campaigning on creating jobs and were elected on it, but if jobs were to be created, like hiring more teachers, police, construction workers to fix all the rotten bridges and infrastructure about to collapse, that would look good for Obama, so the answer to the country is no.
That's part of what this movement is about, restoring reality to the political process, and it's not going to die so fast. It's been spreading all over the country, and to the rest of the world who is also fed up with what's going on. |
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Do I agree with SOME things they are touting? Yes. But not most.
They don't speak for me. They aren't the 99%. They are 1% bitching about another 1%. The other 98% don't give a damn, not out of apathy, but because we understand that it really does not matter. It's either communism/socialism, or what we have now. I choose what we have now. I'm 23. I have half of a college education, due to my own choice. I have a decent paying career as a Paramedic. I have no debt, not because of someone else, but because my parents raised me with a sense of responsibility. I don't blame others for issues that happen to me when they aren't at fault. I vote with my money. If I don't like a business, I refuse to use it. I just left Bank of America due to their policies and joined USAA because I agree with theirs. When does personal responsibility start? |
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Thanks for sharing this video, Marc (OP). Definitely an eye opener. I'm so out of the loop these days that I didn't even know there was a new movement occurring. Time to make history, motherf*ckers!
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http://jrs2cents.com/bill-clinton-surplus-myth.html I have called the Clinton surplus a surplus......but others have questioned the accounting in his administration just as you question the acounting in GW's BTW if Im pointing fingers....Ill point at GW and Clinton but mostly GW. I dont have a problem with that. I do have a problem with saying hes worse than Obama. The data just does not back it up. Quote:
1.6 trillion plus. Not counting obamacare. 8 years of GW got us 1.1 Trillion 2 years of Obama got us 3.2 + trillion Quote:
I just thought it was relevant to the discussion. But you left out an important line in the poll Those who say Obama has been about the same as Bush generally view Obama negatively, with 27% approving and 62% disapproving of the way Obama is handling his job as president. Thats where you get the 56% 34%+22% is 56% Ignoring the above is some top-notch MSNBC/CNN style ignoring of the facts.
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Another "common folk" occupier.
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In other words, if he did absolutely nothing, the government was on track to run a $1.186T deficit that year, and continue going forward. GW didn't get us $1.1T total. He took us from $5.8T to $11.9T (if you go from 9/30/2001 to 9/30/2009, assuming much of what happens those first 9 months are already baked), or from $5.67T to $10.0T (if you go instead from 9/30/2000 to 9/30/2008, and assume it's close enough). Your numbers need to be: GWB got us $6.1T (11.9T-5.8), or $4.3T (10.0T-5.67T). (deficit metrics) The main point you're missing is everything was continued to be on track for well over $1T per year already. And anything of significance that has been spent (or agreed not to be collected), from the Bush tax cuts, to TARP, to the expected auto bailout, etc., are hard to separate from the policies that are already existing. Portraying Obama as a huge spender is a fallacy, done by people who either can't add or can't read. Portraying him as someone who has had a hard time accomplishing getting anything through Congress, well, now we're talking. Quote:
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I love how the liberals seem to gloss over the fact that they (being the democrats) controlled all 3 branches of government for the first 2 years of the current administration.
What exactly did they acomplish in those 2 years other than to give us Obamacare (If you dont know what that was your way out of the loop.) Omnibus Appropriations Act (which was a massive spending bill which included 8,696 earmarks at a cost of $11 billion. The spending bill added $19 billion in new spending above the baseline – an 8.6% spending increase.) The stimulus package failure (Which adds $821 billion in new spending according to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO). Also the White House promises this infusion of spending and borrowing would keep unemployment rate below 8%. As millions of Americans are painfully aware, that promise was broken.) They passed the FY 2010 budget which called for a $2 trillion debt increase in 2010, and another 8.9% increase in non-defense discretionary spending. They didnt even pass a budget for FY 2011. Defying the 1974 budget act that requires a budget to be passed by April 15th Not only didnt they not pass it...they didnt even propose one. All this under a democrat controled house senate and president. Back to the budget 800+ days later (since the last budget that was proposed) while trying to hash out the FY 2012 budget the Congress (republican controlled) and Obama agreed and passed a budget. Which was voted down 97-0 in the senate (democrat controled) Now somehow....... the republicans are the do nothing crew. The power of the media. Besides the President keeps saying its all the republicans fault......Keep telling the same lie long enogh and there are those who believe it.
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See: Irony.
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I didnt think it jived with what I posted before (But I have been wrong on occasion) so that makes this accurate correct? GW's average addition per year to the national debt $607 billion a year. During Obama's presidency to mid Jan of this year, the national debt has risen by an average of $1.6 trillion plus a year — or by a jaw-dropping $1.1 trillion more, per year. None of this even takes into account Obamacare, which the Congressional Budget Office says would increase spending by more than $2 trillion in its real first decade (2014 to 2023) Quote:
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Gallop and there findings are cited by both parties as an accurate gauge of the american people. That isnt in dispute is it?? The congression poll numbers provided by gallop are cited often by the democrats as of late. Good to see you havent lost your sense of humor.......$2 a gallon gas and a full military pull back and the return to the gold standard is the answer.
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Nice exchnage going on here.
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show me a lie in any of the above. Thats an accurate account of the democrats tenure while controlling all 3 branches of government. Granted there were small things passed that are not or were not in dispute by either side. Please point out anything i missed, that was in dispute. Now Im off to watch the new walking dead episode.
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The big lie is one of omission. If you are stating that you don't realize why the republicans are portrayed accurately as the party of "No", you're either lying or terribly misinformed. They had proudly championed the cause of allowing absolutely nothing to pass, without what was once a 60 vote supermajority. No to tax reform. No to spending bills. No to agreeing to pay the government's existing debt. No to everything and anything that could possibly be construed as a win for either the Democrats in general, or Obama specifically. This goes back to 2008, and continues to this day.
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