November 25th, 2011, 12:00 PM | #1 |
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November 25th, 2011, 12:05 PM | #2 |
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I don't think they were going too fast, looks like normal speed to me
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November 25th, 2011, 12:20 PM | #3 |
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Maybe I'm just a slow coach
I think I'd probably lane split slightly faster on those American roads than on UK roads. The lanes there look wider than ours. On our motorways and duel carriage ways you're forced to ride on the center line paint quite a lot if you lane split which means turning and braking is more sensitive, so you have to ride slower to accommodate for it. |
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November 25th, 2011, 12:26 PM | #4 |
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Yeah, I wouldn't say that he was going to fast... that car from the left lane that hit him sure switched lanes quick
I kinda wish the camera man had his camera facing up more... it was hard to see the actual action
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November 25th, 2011, 01:08 PM | #5 |
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The guy from the car looked like he was 16.... just being dumb and not paying attention.
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So I wouldn't suggest lane-splitting even at low speeds in most of the US Akima. I would rather take my chances with the UK drivers than the US drivers. Also over here, if you do get run over, don't expect the law to give a rats ass about it either. You'll be lucky if the person that ran you over gets a citation for some sort of MINOR moving violation while you're taken to the morgue. |
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November 25th, 2011, 01:43 PM | #7 |
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If youre in CA you cant bet your ass youre gonna be in trouble for hitting a bike lane splitting....
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November 25th, 2011, 05:24 PM | #8 |
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That guy was indestructable, superhuman.... unit he wasn't. That's how a lot of us live our lives.
If lane-splitting at those speeds looks normal to you it's because you're indestructable and superhuman. Good luck. |
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November 25th, 2011, 09:31 PM | #9 |
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I'm interested in comments from experienced lane splitters on the following:
What would be an appropriate speed in mph for the lane splitting depicted in the video? Estimate the speed of the rider doing the filming. Estimate the speed of the rider that crashed. It appeared that he was pulling away from the camera. What was the car doing immediately before the crash. Did the driver signal for a lane change? |
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November 25th, 2011, 09:57 PM | #10 | |
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Still hurts a lot if you get hit though, so everyone who chooses to lane share must evaluate the risk for themselves...unless it's illegal in their state |
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November 25th, 2011, 10:32 PM | #11 |
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I generally only lane split in traffic, however our roads are kind of narrow in town therefore I dont do it much. Since we dont really have traffic on our freeways, I dont really do it often. and often in town you have some jackass all the way to one side of the lane and everyone else on the other side, so essentially he messes it up...
I watched the video a couple times and it looks like Guosephs comment is pretty accurate. traffic is going no more then 10-15 mph I would estimate around 10ish. the bikers seem to be going double that. So around 25 would be accurate. Estimate the length of the breaks in the line and how long it takes the bike to reach each one about I would say 25ish MPH is a good guesstimate. So 25MPH the superhuman speed caused this accident, stupid lane splitter going so damn fast... what was he thinking? but in all seriousness just shows how you gotta watch out for all the idiots on the road... and again look at the kid who was driving the car. He looks like hes barely 16... In conclusion. It didnt look like he was going all that fast however we drive motorcycles so we have to be extra careful (duh) but even more so when lane splitting... I suppose this would be when a loud bike would come in handy
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If you actually evaluated lane splitting risks in a rational way you wouldn't do it at anything above a walking/jogging pace and only when the car traffic on the highway is at a complete standstill. Quote:
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Making friends and impressing people.... lane splitting is fun for everyone!
Do you think the cager in this little incident appreciated having his mirror damaged?
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November 26th, 2011, 01:28 AM | #14 | |
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So if the rider had been about 10 seconds quicker down the highway he'd have been hit by the truck because (thank you for pointing out the double yellow to me) I'm sure the rider wasn't expecting anyone to change lanes during the double yellow zone. Thus his extremely offended and angry reaction. Then his lawyers could have rolled his newly-paralyzed ass into the courtroom for a big judgement in his favor. |
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November 26th, 2011, 02:09 AM | #16 |
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If it were me I probably wouldn't sue because a paralyzed ass would make sitting extremely comfortable.
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November 26th, 2011, 02:28 AM | #17 |
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i think maybe some people are used to having wide open roads with little traffic to deal with. when you live in the city people try to kill you. frequently. and i'm not talking about once a week or once a day... i mean every few minutes. regardless of if you're minding your own business in the slow lane following at a safe distance with the flow of traffic, or lane splitting at 50 over like ghostrider, they try to kill you. if you don't see them, they will kill you. always see them.
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November 26th, 2011, 04:00 AM | #19 |
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I have lane splited in states that are illegal to do so, even passing a few police cruisers along the way.
But whenever I do lane split, I usually stay within 5-10 mph of traffic flow. Lane spliting between slow moving traffic, your bigest concern is drivers that decide to change lane. Traveling t 5-10 mph above traffic flow usually allow sufficient time or teh driver to see you approching from the rear. Whether or not the riders were riding too fast within that traffic is hard to say, but it looks to me that the rider rear ended the car, operator error on the motorcyclist. If the motorcyclist was side-swiped, that's more likely the fault of the driver. BTW, honking at motorists while lane spliting just makes drivers hate motorcyclists even more in general; tap your horn a few times and move on, no need to sustain your horn to be annoying. |
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The truck also isn't just trying to change lanes out of a double yellow, he's trying to exit the HOV lane which is a bigger no no.
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also the "superhuman" comment was in response to your "superhuman" statement, but surely you realized that.
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If you regularly find yourself surfing "cute little picture" websites to respond to forum posts, you may have a little vocabulary deficit.
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What I find the most humorous is that your grammar, and syntax is laughably juvenile, yet you say I have the vocabulary issue. Congratulations your linguistic skills must be unmatched in your third grade class. no meme for this post.
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November 26th, 2011, 10:49 AM | #26 |
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It is.
And no I cannot. I am a horrid writer and to think I wasted all that money on a college education. I would love if you would diagram my sentence structure, and show me oh wise one the error of my writing ways.
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I would never do that.
We're just butting heads because (way back at the start of this thread) you didn't like my comment about lane splitting. I understand. You like to lane split and you don't appreciate me saying it's dangerous. No hard feelings on my part. Wasn't intentionally trying get on your nerves, press your buttons or offend your "personal mythology" with my opinion, but I guess that's going to happen on internet forums. |
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But really what I didnt like was you making such a bold and general statement of how people who lane split think they are "superhuman." Then trying to make me some less intelligent? Im not sure what that was about. I respond in meme's because they are funny, not because I lack the mental capacity of constructing a rebuttal. I don't really get offended I just laugh at everything soooo, for sure no hard feelings here either.
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Nobody ever said lane splitting wasn't dangerous... All they said was that ~10mph over the flow of traffic is a decent speed for it. Then Greg came in and started to mouth off about how you californians think you're superhuman and have masterful reflexes that will save you from being hit in an accident... so ignorant. He doesn't even live in CA so..
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But I am superhuman!
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Justin and Greg! WTF?!! Be nice! Lifes to short and absurd to get angry at each other like this!
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What would be an appropriate speed in mph for the lane splitting depicted in the video? ~5 MPH above the speed of the traffic: I'd want to have enough time to safely stop/slowdown if a car in front of me suddenly blocked my path. If the traffic was moving faster than ~25 MPH then I wouldn't lane split. If the traffic was at a stand still I'd travel 20 MPH maximum. Estimate the speed of the rider doing the filming. between 20 and 40 MPH I think he was doing ~15 MPH faster than the flow of traffic. I'm not sure about the final 2 questions. It's hard to see the crash event in the video. I can only imagine he was travelling as fast as the rider that was recording... which IMO is dangerously fast. |
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I've read some your other posts in other threads and I have appreciated how your contributions have increased my knowledge, especially from the EFI thread, but I'm really surprised at how aggressive you are acting in this thread. Regardless, I stand by my view that the rider in the original video was not going too fast for conditions. Hopefully we can agree to disagree and let it rest, the lane sharing topic has been over-discussed as is all over the internet. |
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okay alex. no problem.
I know I probably shouldn't add this once again because it doesn't seem to be getting through. I was addressing the mental issues at work behind the scenes: all I was pointing out is that human beings, "we" "us", me included, routinely over-estimate our abilities and ignore the possible, probable risks and the eventual percentage of down-side results to things we want or want to do. never said I was against lane splitting. I really don't care that much about what's going on in the world because it's all going to happen anyway, but I am interested in how the mind works; the psychology, the instinct and the ideas on which we operate. I'm constantly reading books on this subject. I guess it's a hobby the same way my EX-250 is. The result is that I sometimes come at a topic from a direction that doesn't immediately make sense to everyone else in the discussion. |
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What's with this "we" and "us." Speak for yourself. When I make an ass out of myself here I do it on my own, so do you.
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At least it's funny. I'm not ruling out the chance that you're going for a laugh here, that you're not serious because it's actually a great little piece of ironic humor (if it's on purpose, that is). It's damn near a Haiku of irony. You do see how it's funny? You tell me to speak for myself, then you speak for me. |
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lmao iv seen a guy wheelie between cars but i was waiting to see his wings thats stupid. Gregs just mad because it isnt legal to lane split over there. ;] Thing is greg made people who lane split sound like they are ignorant when it comes to their safety. But as alex said riding is riding if you are not alert your pretty much screwed.
So the question is greg you ride a motorcycle do you feel superhuman? :P
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