December 17th, 2011, 06:09 AM | #121 |
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So everyone after EMSRacer07 that orders before christmas gets 20% off?
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December 17th, 2011, 06:35 AM | #122 | |
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I assume that this is a custom part. The only thing I would suggest is to have a screen on the fuel pickup. I can't see one in the photo. In a perfect world, no gas station would EVER do something as mean as pump little rocks into your tank, but unfortunately it happens. If they are small enough to flow down the tube, they'll be caught by the filter. No problem. The problem is when they are just the right size to get stuck in there. Think kidney stone. PS - Matt, does this come with the group buy kit? Also, do we get the new controller with the harness and built in ECU? Your web site wasn't clear on that.
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December 17th, 2011, 07:59 AM | #123 |
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Awesome. Lets do this!
I think what Matt means is once we hit the 25% limit... everybody that joins the GB will get 25% no more but if you wait till after xmas... it goes back to the 20%.
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December 17th, 2011, 10:01 AM | #124 |
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so if the GB ends christmas eve when would everything get shipped out?
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December 17th, 2011, 11:51 AM | #126 |
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December 17th, 2011, 03:20 PM | #127 |
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Somebody asked whether the system runs with Power Commander.
Yes! but not a must. If you have one already. use it. If not, buying one is extra cost. Power commander is used for OEM ECUs which you don't have access to ECU data. Obviously you can change our ECU data with our software. But nevertheless, power commander has simpler user interface and a lot of people are familiar with it. thx, Matt |
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December 17th, 2011, 03:23 PM | #128 |
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December 17th, 2011, 04:17 PM | #129 | |
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Yes, this tank valve and the new harness will come w/ the kit! our website is not updated yet. The new ECU has been used for all new customers. We do not make old fuel control only ECUs any more. thx, Matt |
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December 17th, 2011, 06:52 PM | #130 | |
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I'm really starting to get interested. A few more questions if you don't mind. 1. What's that little screw between the new intake manifolds? Does it require "syncing" like we do for the carbs? 2. What is the fuel economy like on a pregen with this FI system? (As compared to the carbed version of the same bike.) 3. How does the performance compare with the carbed bike? 4. It comes with the software, but does that mean that the performance and fuel economy are programmable? 5. How did you make that stuff? Do you have molds or something for the manifolds and fuel return petcock? 6. When we pay for our kit, do we call you up individually and say its for the group buy and pay $450 individually with a CR card? If not, how? 7. What would we use the choke cable for after converting to FI? Is it possible to use it as a High Performance/High Fuel Economy switch? Is there a way to get that selection into the ECU on the fly? 8. Lastly, it fits the pregen, right? PS- one more: 9. Can the O2 sensor "bungs" be JB-Welded on, or do they have to be actually welded?
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December 17th, 2011, 08:02 PM | #131 | |
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December 17th, 2011, 08:40 PM | #132 | |
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December 17th, 2011, 08:44 PM | #133 | |
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Brian, I think you missed what he was asking about on #1.
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The answer to #1 would be a "yes" the throttlebodies need to be synchronized as best you can because if they weren't you'd end up with an imbalance situation between the two cylinders. The effect on the Ecotrons kit would, however, be different than with badly synchronized carbs. On the Ecotrons kit with it's ability to tune the two cylinders individually you'd end up with two perfectly tuned cylinders but they'd be producing different amounts of horsepower for any given throttle position. In other words: if the two throttlebodies weren't perfectly synchronized then the cylinder that was "more closed" than the other would always be working with slightly less O2 to mix with fuel to achieve whatever air/fuel ratio the ECU is commanding and would end up being slightly underpowered when compared to the other cylinder which would be doing more work because it would be slightly "more open" and would have more O2 to mix with fuel to achieve whatever air/fuel ratio is being commanded by the ECU. |
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December 17th, 2011, 08:48 PM | #134 | |
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December 17th, 2011, 09:01 PM | #135 | |
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Once payment has been received, Matt will get the kits mailed out. Matt stated that the first five get the %25 off before Christmas, I don't know about the people after that. A little clarification would be great. |
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December 17th, 2011, 09:11 PM | #136 | |
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Ohhhh that one. Whoops... good catch. Thx for clarifying.
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December 17th, 2011, 09:32 PM | #137 | |
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December 17th, 2011, 10:52 PM | #138 | |
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THANKS, Jiggles! No limit of the group size ( >= 5). I will send an electronic invoice to each of the enlisted via Email. $450+$30(shipping). You will pay by CR card. After I get more than 5 payments, I will start to ship. After Christmas Eve, the deal is over. And thanks, setasai, Greg737, and flynjay; for answering questions. |
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December 17th, 2011, 11:07 PM | #139 | |
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Just to let everybody know: the thorttle bodies come as pre-sync-ed. Do NOT try to re-adjust it, and even the idle screws are pre-adjusted; unless you notice some significant un-balancing issue. In that case, let me know, if you are not sure how to adjust it. |
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December 18th, 2011, 01:57 AM | #140 |
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On second thought, I'm just too lazy to swap out a perfectly working bike so I'm staying out. Goodluck guys.
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Thanks, Brian, Greg, and Matt. A few clarifications if you don't mind....
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So to the point, I am asking if I will see 70 mpg again and at least the performance I have now if I switch to PFI. I would really like Matt to answer this one. PS - A friend also has a pregen and his still gets 70 mpg... and we ride together a lot. Quote:
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But there is also the vibration issue and JB-Weld might not be adequate. Does anyone know what the pipes are made of? If it must be welded, its important to know if we are dealing with plain steel or stainless. Either way, it will have to be re-chromed. Although I have the ability to weld it myself, that may not be true of everyone in the group. JB-Weld would be a good option if it will work. The same question applies to brazing and silver soldering. These may be something that some people can do if they can't do actual welding. I can say for a fact that lead soldering will be no better than JB-Weld in this situation.
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December 18th, 2011, 06:32 AM | #142 |
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More questions about the O2 sensor.
See attached drawing. 1. Is the sensor location critical, or can it go anywhere? Is there a preferred location A, B, C, D or elsewhere? 2. Do the O2 sensors have to be the exact same distance from the heads, or can they vary by an inch or two (for staggering purposes)? 3. Does anybody know if the crossover tube on the pregen actually passes exhaust gas or if its just structural? If it does connect the two, do we really need two O2 sensors?
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December 18th, 2011, 08:18 AM | #143 |
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I just remembered something. In the past when riders would swap their CDI with the sportisi BRT CDI, they would need to hotwire the kickstand switch.
@ecotrons, does the EFI-ECU change anything as far as any of the switches?
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December 18th, 2011, 10:43 AM | #144 | |
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December 18th, 2011, 02:09 PM | #145 |
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JB-Welding Bungs
I measured the temperature of the exhaust manifold pipe after a ride today. I'm reading about 200F. Since JB-Weld works up to 600F, I think its safe in that respect.
However, this still does not mean it can be used to attach the bungs as there are other factors to consider. I also measured the crossover tube and it was also 200F. This could possibly indicate that it passes exhaust gasses. ???
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December 18th, 2011, 02:58 PM | #146 | |
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I mean if you want to go right ahead and try, but i will warn you the fumes from burning JB Weld (an epoxy) is highly noxious and will make you sick. and i'd hate to see you lose your O2 sensors while riding..... they can't be cheap to replace, it can't cost 20-30 bux to get an exhaust shop to weld the bungs in for you, especially if you take the pipes to them..... |
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December 18th, 2011, 03:46 PM | #147 |
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Lol don't JB weld your exhaust. Do it right and do it once. It's not that expensive
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December 18th, 2011, 05:32 PM | #148 |
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I measured after the bike was switched off so that is where I think I screwed up. It was only a minute, but I think it was long enough to give incorrect readings.
Also, I measured from the radiator down and not up by the ports. Its usually cooler there. I'm going to agree that JB-Weld is a bad idea. If the temps do get >1000F, then brazing will not work either. Looks like I'll need to get my welding torch out.
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December 18th, 2011, 06:05 PM | #150 | |
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Yes, both O2 sensors need to be the same distance from the heads. Again, balance requirement. The crossover, yes, passes exhaust gas. Yes, you must have 2 O2 sensors, or you get a customer exhaust like Greg has. Or you can run open-loop without O2s. |
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December 19th, 2011, 01:30 AM | #151 | |
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Benefits: 1) close to heads, get most heat from exhuast, so O2 heating duty cycle can be small (save electric power). 2) also because it's close, respond to AFR change faster, and more accurate. 3) safe location, no interference to others. |
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December 19th, 2011, 05:23 AM | #152 | |
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I went through your instructions PDF and I was confused by a few things. 1. Coolant to the carbs? I couldn't find that on my bike. Is this something that only newgens have? 2. Throttle cable? Why not just put the mechanism on the right side of the throttle body instead of the left and use the twin cable system that is there now? Is there any way to take parts off the carb and use them on the new throttle body to accomplish this? How do they do it in the UK? Regarding the earlier discussion of programmable fuel economy, I did a little research and it IS possible, but not with this kit. To do so requires a fly by wire system so that the computer actually controls the throttle position with a servo and not just detects it with a TPS. But I can live with the standard FI system like the kit provides. Regarding the ECM, does it output data so that the instantaneous fuel burn rate can be read out on the fly (presumably by a laptop)? PS - Looks like Forbitel has solved the throttle cable issue here.
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December 19th, 2011, 05:57 AM | #153 |
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OK Jiggles, count me in.
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December 19th, 2011, 06:01 AM | #154 |
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Count me in if we get to 25% off. BTW what happened to the list of names? It is showing up blank for me.
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December 19th, 2011, 06:33 AM | #155 | |
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December 19th, 2011, 07:37 AM | #156 |
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Repost this list and add your name to it if you are in. Only add your name if you are 100% positive you want to buy this and have the money for it. Someone dropping out of the Group Buy at a later time will negatively affect everyone else associated with it, think carefully before you say Yes. If you are unsure about whether you want this system add yourself to the maybe list.
Sign Me Up!!! 1. @Jiggles 2. @setasai 3. @Daves2JZ 4. @flynjay 5. @EMSRacer07 6. @lgk 7. @justinswidebody 8. @n4mwd 9. @Ninja_Moose 10. Hmm Maybe.... 1. @Jiggles (I might buy a second one for my other Ninja) 2. @sombo (will it work with the pre-gens?) "Yes it will." 3. 4. 5. @etiainen (pending upon functional bike) 6. @Felipe_the_Ant (Scrounging up some bank) 7. 8. 9. @Fly'in Ninja 10. Here is the list as I know it now. My additions are in RED If you quote it it seems to work just fine. Seems like something is wrong with the "mentions". Last futzed with by flynjay; December 19th, 2011 at 09:20 AM. |
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December 19th, 2011, 08:17 AM | #157 |
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Ive bit off more than I can chew right now with they body work and paint and everything so im out. To much work :/
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You'll have to remove me from that maybe list as well. As much as I'd like to do this, I just can't swing it at the moment.
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None had it in North America, only in UK/Europe, Australia, or Japan spec -F but mostly -H models, as seen in instructions, and any of those as grey market bikes imported elsewhere. Is the rest of Ecotrons based in Hong Kong or elsewhere that accounts for the high shipping by DHL? |
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