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Oh the insanity.... A conservative discussion
How is it that the voters that lean left in this country, hate this country so much?? Why is it that they wont call out their leaders on the crazy stuff they do?? How is it they see everything in such a way as to never question the "authority" figures of the party? Why is it that they are so blinded by ideology?
A conservative discussion will begin. Thanks to Alex, I can now ignore anyone I dont see fit to join this discussion and they wont be able to post here. (Cencorship rules....lol not) A few might slip by, but PM me if you are not happy with the content posted by an individual and Ill be happy to ignore them right out of this discussion. I figure the ignore feature was added for this exact purpose, so why not use it. Im just as "entitled" as the next guy right? This might get interesting....Ya never know.
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January 1st, 2012, 12:44 AM | #2 |
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Since I am on soooooo many people ignore list maybe this can get through with the use of my friend almost40 post.
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A liberal conversation.....
Well since Almost40 decided to start a conversation that is sure to become extremely biased to those right-wing members on the conservative side, I figured I'd give voice to the opposition. Therefore following his lead I'm starting a conversation of my own and asking that it be kept civil discussing how the ultra-conservative right wing leaders are destroying this country with their extremist measures. Taking a quote from our lovely rightest leader and modifying it for our needs: Quote: How is it that the voters that lean right in this country, hate this country so much?? Why is it that they wont call out their leaders on the crazy stuff they do?? How is it they see everything in such a way as to never question the "authority" figures of the party? Why is it that they are so blinded by ideology? A liberal discussion will begin. Thanks to Alex, I can now ignore anyone I dont see fit to join this discussion and they wont be able to post here. (Cencorship rules....lol not) A few might slip by, but PM me if you are not happy with the content posted by an individual and Ill be happy to ignore them right out of this discussion. I figure the ignore feature was added for this exact purpose, so why not use it. Im just as "entitled" as the next guy right? This might get interesting....Ya never know. Thanks go out to almost40 for this lovely quote. Also when I use the term liberal I am speaking of it's core meaning, that of favoring or permitting freedom of action, especially with respect to matters of personal belief or expression, favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties. Not the b/s that the (mostly the conservative controlled) media has lead most people to believe. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free speech huh? Guess not since I am on this persons ignore list. Stalin would be proud! |
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So, the reply-blocking tied to ignore lists doesn't work in the off-topic section anymore. It wasn't to limit political dissent, it was in response to numerous requests about a small number of folks mucking up a number of popular threads, but without violating the TOS. Allowing the thread creator some control to prevent those issues makes the job of a moderator a little easier, and helps keep the wishes of many (busy happy useful on-topic threads) on track.
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I'm sorry, but any thread that starts out with "how is it that anyone disagrees with me must hate their country?", has too much potential entertainment value to exclude anyone from mocking you directly.
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Please look in the mirror and think about what you are saying. It is beyond absurd. You spend so much time labeling people and criticizing them. Yet you spend so little time reflecting on whether your 'reality' is consistent with the real reality. I'm sorry to tell you that you have sailed far off course and you need to have an honest conversation with yourself. It is okay to disagree with someone. It is not okay to question their intensions without solid proof. To do this to one person is unjustified, to do it to a group that is practically half of the U.S. population is madness. The title of this thread has the word 'insanity' in it. How appropriate. It is really sad that in threads like this and in the previous OWS thread, we spent so little time having a real discussion on substance thanks to people like you. |
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January 1st, 2012, 09:01 AM | #8 |
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Well its good to see that even an "illiterate hick, dolt, sack of illiterate dogmeat, and bubkis" like me can point to an error in policy here on ninjette and you can see the "light". (Alex)
Your welcome to lock up this thread if you please. Alex Its entire point was to make the point that even "good intentions" can go terribly wrong. Im glad you have corrected the error in this policy. Now will you admit this policy was a mistake?? Thats the 64 dollar question? Guess Ill go empty my ignore list. Im not about trying to censor anyones opinion. I was just trying to make a point. There are plenty of places here in off topic to voice ones opinion. This thread is unneeded but was in fact usefull. (to me and others of my ilk anyway.)
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I'm tired of arguing with you Kevin. You're a net drain on this site and on my time. There are plenty of 250 sites that might be better suited to you if you want to keep picking fights:
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January 1st, 2012, 09:59 AM | #11 |
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So excuse me if I am wrong but basically the idea of this thread was "let's discuss politics but if I don't agree with your views I'll just ignore them". Why even bother trying to have a discussion in the first place if you aren't even willing to accept (although not necessarily agree with) other people's views. That is one thing I personally can't stand about "some people in this country".
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I'm not picking fights. I'm voicing my opinion. I'm sorry its not the same as yours in all areas Alex. It is, what it is. Have I been a little more crass as of late? Sure. I dont recall you ever saying or doing some of the things that you have done to me as of late, to any other member here. I cant remember a time where you have ever corrected anyone else's spelling, grammer, or writing style in a thread while ignoring the mistakes made by others in the very same thread. I dont ever remember you calling a member here anything even remotely close to the things you called me. I considered and still consider you a very thoughtful and intelegent person and posted as such on many occasions. (Even when we disagreed) You run a great website. You are indeed, a professional at it. Theres no denying that fact. I have yet to encounter a better mod. Now, why are we to the point where you feel the need to say I'm a net drain on this site and your time? Could it be as simple as I don't agree with your political side of a given argument and I voice my opinion weather its your post of someone else's? Is it that simple? Take a good look around here Alex. There are only a hand full of members that care to argue politics. We all do the same thing. We all say, your wrong, I'm right, and point to our "facts" biased or not. I understand that this is your site and I'm grateful that you haven't taken to an outright ban. (I truly am.) Could all of this have been handled in a PM? Sure, but when one is ridiculed in public the need to "save face" overrides the need to get things back on the right track. Ill apologize for my crassness as of late. I have no problem with doing that. I felt as if i was singled out, and felt compelled to give as good as I got. Can we go back to the way it was in days past when our debate was civil? IDK? I can.
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Is it your opinion that all 'left-leaning' people hate this country?
If yes, then you're delusional. If no, then you are picking fights and your post is a lie. Either way, you've established one thing; you are totally unworthy and incapable of a civilized debate. |
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Thank you for your opinion. Glad to see it made its way into this thread.
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A+ Thread. Will read again
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Its more fun when people disagree...
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agreed
Wait, that isnt fun.
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Interesting to see the point of this thread go over so many people's head.
As for the original question, I wouldn't make the generalization that all left leaning voters hate the country. But I would say that there is a lot of left leaning and far left people who do not like what the country as become, and are desperate to change it. The fact that you can work hard and make more money than someone who does not. The fact that companies are in business to make profits. The fact that we are militarily stronger than any other nation. The fact that we have put the interests of the United States above the interests of other nations. We certainly have a President who feels this way. |
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Right. The president and other left leaning people don't want hard work to be rewarded, don't want companies to make profits, don't want the military to be stronger than other nations, and want other nation's interests to be above ours. Do you really believe that?
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Yes, I do. He talks about "income equality" which really means income redistribution. He wants to limit the reward for hard work, so yes. He wants to keep corporate taxes high, and wants to increase their cost for things like healthcare. So again, yes, he wants to take some of their profits. As for his views of the military, again, yes. He wrote about this in "Dreams from my Father" when he criticized what he called "the powerful" for it's "dull complacency" and how "sophisticated military hardware" is often used as an "unthinking application". As a candidate he also ran on a platform of cutting spending on missile defense systems, and that he would slow down the development of future combat systems. So yes, I believe that deep down, Obama sees a strong US military as a weakness. As for US interests, and example of Obama putting the interests of others above the US is his support of European Union's Common Security and Defense Policy which is by design to replace a lot of the functions (and all of the functions) of NATO.
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How completely absurd. Propaganda is to a democracy what the bludgeon is to a totalitarian state. Wake up dude.
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But aside from the CSDP, I believe, as many do, that the United States is viewed as a much weaker nation than it was prior to Obama taking office. His tour of apologies, his bowing down to other nation's leaders, these and other things have helped weaken the image of the US, and has hurt US interests. |
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Obama has weakened his position on Iran by the extensions he has given them.
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i'm a libertarian. probably closer to republican than democrat especially when it comes to money. i'm a prude. and i don't think its anyones business if i am or not.
but i'm not so ignorant that i make wild logic jumps and assumptions and use those assumptions and logic jumps to label half of a country as unpatriotic imbeciles. i do realize that people have different opinions on how to solve the issues we all face. i do realize that some people don't understand the logic of an opposing side, and will still blindly argue against it simply because it isn't the solution they understand. it is usually the same people who don't bother even listening to the other sides suggestions. if you think not listening to half of the people in a country is a good way to run things... good for you. its too bad for you that we live in a representative republic with democracy. it sounds like you would prefer to live in a place where only one partys ideals are taken into consideration. maybe you would even like having a sole official in charge of seeing the entirety of the government below them adopts this "ideal plan" and that way we won't ever have to even HEAR opposing view points. why not take it a step farther? just get rid of the opposition... i hear gas chambers work well. and yes, i did intentionally take it to nazis to show how ridiculous you are all being. happy new year, folks.
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Godwin's law foul, @alex.s automatically loses.
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This concludes every thought I have concerning political debates amongst the public:
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