February 3rd, 2012, 04:02 PM | #1 |
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I might just be an idiot, but I'm in California and 20 years old and am a bit confused about the permit/license situation with the effects from Jarrad's Law.
What I've gotten from it is that I have to do the Rider's Course and then get my permit after passing the exam. Then after 6 months of none of the fun riding, I'm able to test for my M-1. What I've read otherwise, makes it seem like I am only required to participate in the Rider's Course which allows me to get my permit. But from there the time between having my permit and testing for my actual license is at my discretion as I am over the age of 18. I would appreciate if somebody would help me to clarify what the actual situation is for a 20-year-old. Thanks. |
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February 4th, 2012, 07:09 PM | #2 |
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February 4th, 2012, 07:11 PM | #3 |
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You have to take the MSF course FIRST because you are under 21.
Im assuming you have your class C though correct?
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February 4th, 2012, 08:19 PM | #4 |
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I do have my class C. Had that since I was 16. Tomorrow is the last day of my MSF course. Are you sure don't have to get the permit for 6 months with Jarrad's Law in effect? Or does that just force me to take the course before getting my license?
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February 4th, 2012, 08:27 PM | #5 |
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the latter.
my buddy who went with me to MSF also is 20. I went to get my license with the MSF certificate and he got his permit. I do not remember the length it takes for you to get your license after that. Or if you have to take another test... I dont think you do though?
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February 4th, 2012, 08:46 PM | #6 |
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Yea, but when was that? Jarrad's Law went into effect in 2011. I'm praying I don't have to be a goober that can't drive at night or on the freeway for 6 months...
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It looks like you need to have the permit for 6 months before being able to get a full M license, or you need to turn 21 in the meantime.
http://www.ca-msp.org/Under21.aspx Quote:
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February 4th, 2012, 08:51 PM | #8 |
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October.
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February 4th, 2012, 08:54 PM | #9 |
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I got my m1 like 3 months ago i didnt have a permit completed my msf and i went to the dmv took the permit test then they took my class c and sent me a class c/m1.
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He takes his MSF and goes and gets him permit from the DMV when is completed and can start riding. I THINK its 6 months then he can get the license.
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February 4th, 2012, 09:00 PM | #11 |
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I have my c class they took it because they had to make it invalid because they were sending me a whole spanking brand new license.
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February 4th, 2012, 09:52 PM | #12 |
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Rus how old were you when you got your M1?
Justin, October of 2011? Jarrad's has been in effect since jan of 2011. So I'm not understanding why your buddy would get his license right away, but I have to go the permit route... |
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February 4th, 2012, 09:54 PM | #13 | |
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Im 24 SO I got my permit right away. Took the class then got my license when I got the certificate.
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February 4th, 2012, 10:07 PM | #14 |
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I hadn't heard of any changes until I read this thread. One thing I'm not clear about though (even after reading from the DMV site) is for those over 21 with permits and MSF certs., do you still get to skip the DMV driving course?
EDIT: It would appear by the post above mine that that has not changed.
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Yup, from the DMV checklist I posted, it lays it out pretty clearly. Over 21, you can use either MSF cert or schedule a drivers test, you don't need to do both.
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February 4th, 2012, 10:13 PM | #16 |
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yeah but MSF is more expensive too :/ like $100 more
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February 4th, 2012, 10:20 PM | #18 |
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Well, when you're legally obligated to take the course, you kill two birds with one stone. They should make a compromise and do 3 months of permit for those 18-21. I'm not even sure how effective this legislation has been.
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February 4th, 2012, 10:22 PM | #19 |
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lol you used "effective" and "legislation" in the same sentence.
Ill keep political banter out, but I just lol'd
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I was 19.
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February 5th, 2012, 01:08 AM | #22 |
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Along with the two permit limitations you listed, freeways are also forbidden. |
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The law seems pretty clear. Whether all DMV offices are appropriately following the law as it is so new is really the only open question.
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February 5th, 2012, 02:17 AM | #25 |
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I'm going to go to every single DMV in the Sacramento area until one of them gives me my endorsement!
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Hint: Folsom DMV
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It would appear so.
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February 5th, 2012, 03:18 PM | #30 |
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@trixter @headshrink
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February 5th, 2012, 03:40 PM | #31 |
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I should just get my permit and start a campaign at every DMV in a 1-hour radius until one of them doesn't know about Jarrad's Law...
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February 5th, 2012, 05:34 PM | #34 |
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@headshrink then what makes you believe I'd be able to get my M1 right away from Folsom?
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What kind of stupidity did Jarrad do to get a new law/Darwin Award named after him?
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That law is really interesting.
I got my temps the same day I walked into my MSF BRC, and then I stopped by the BMV with my paperwork and got my M endorsement a week later. My buddy got his bike and temps at 15 1/2, and finally got his class C license when he was 18 before he went to college. Neither of us would have been able to get our M licenses in this manner with this law. Very interesting indeed. |
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February 6th, 2012, 12:48 AM | #39 |
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New legislation in California enacted Jan 2011. Anybody under the age of 21 that wants to get their M1 must first take a 15 hour CHP course and then have their permit for 6 months. I turn 21 in November... so 6 months of less fun riding.
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my stupid friends didnt take the MSF and just have their permit and ride whenever and where ever... they just havent gotten pulled over. lol
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