August 1st, 2012, 10:15 PM | #1 |
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Well got that out of the way.
Looks like almost 2 weeks after I bought the bike I crashed it. I'd say all my fault and I feel bad for my baby. :/ here's what happened. I'll post pics tommorow.
Friends and I went to eat since I just passed the msf course today. After eating we thought it we would go on a short lil cruise through some back roads. So we went. I was driving really cautious but on some turns I felt comfortable with I was really pushing the lean angle ( not draggin knee or pegs but I could feel the lean) things were going well and I was approaching a left curve, couldn't tell the radius of the turn b/c of some trees on inside and it was dark. Well halfway through turn I noticied it was a bit sharper then expect but I think I was still good, me though since I was being SO CAUTIOUS brought the bike up out of lean and braked.. Brakes until I went off side of Todd and right away low side and bike went down and so did I. I got up right away and went to turn off bike. I was fine. ( later hip started feeling a bit but nothing big) bike did turn off by itself though before I got to it. Brought it up and parked it. Friends came back because they were Infront of me (in a s2000) and I gave them plenty of space again I was bein cautious. Completely my fault though. I should of just kept leaning and looked through turn, instead I tArget fixated and braking didn't help. Wish I got it on video. Well after I was super heated mainly cuz bike shifter peg was bent in the most devilish angle I have ever seen. And would not start. Waited about 15 minutes and tried again nothing. Then gave it sd gas on startup and she started. I was so glad she was ok mechanically it seemed. Left turn signal did Pop off but I think we can put it back together tommorow and bend the shifter pet back in place tommorow. I was planning on getting inspection and registration done tommorow too :/. Well I learned my lesson, keep lookin through turn and watch the corners, I was being over cautious I think which really screwed me over. Their are some scratches and 2 cracks in front left fairing but I think most will buff out and the cracks I'll see about them. |
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August 1st, 2012, 10:36 PM | #2 |
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Next time lean more!!!
Post a pic of your rear tire
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August 1st, 2012, 10:48 PM | #3 |
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yeah! i realized when i ride more aggressively not just in a bike but car too i make less mistakes. def should have leaned more. Ill post some pics tomorrow. their are some chicken strips
hehe not sure if from me or previous owner. learning experience though. really happy damage doesnt look too bad |
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August 1st, 2012, 11:56 PM | #4 |
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August 2nd, 2012, 04:47 AM | #5 |
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sorry you laid her down . have you ever tried rolling off the throttle a little to widen your turning radius?
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August 2nd, 2012, 06:58 AM | #6 |
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August 2nd, 2012, 07:06 AM | #7 |
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Glad you're okay! The shifter bend looks ridiculous, as if someone use a precision tool to make that bend.
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August 2nd, 2012, 07:10 AM | #8 |
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August 2nd, 2012, 08:04 AM | #9 |
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Sorry to read about the accident.
Yes, that lever is soft on purpose, so it bends during accidents; hence, it can be repaired easily as well. Just remove it from the assembly and use a bench vise, some lever and/or rubber mallet to bring it back to the original shape.
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August 2nd, 2012, 08:20 AM | #10 | |
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August 2nd, 2012, 11:42 AM | #11 |
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Sorry to hear about your crash. It seems that you and the bike came out of it ok though.
My first and only crash was really similar to yours. The shifter bent in exactly the same way. As for not leaning over too far. I was thinking about this today. Lots and lots of people freak out and stand the bike upright mid turn because they feel they are going to fast. I have realized that it is pretty much always better to lean over further and take the turn instead of braking and standing the bike up. This is my thinking: * Your bike can probably take the corner faster than you think. * Standing the bike upright pretty much guarantees you're going to go off the road or perhaps even into on coming traffic * Even if you do end up low siding instead of making the turn, you probably wont be any worse off than if you stood the bike upright and slammed on the brakes, but at least you have a chance at making the turn. * If you do make the turn you'll feel amazing! |
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August 2nd, 2012, 12:49 PM | #12 |
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August 2nd, 2012, 12:50 PM | #13 |
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then again, better advice would be to learn proper technique and get a feel of your bike before you ride backroads in the dark.
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August 2nd, 2012, 01:13 PM | #14 |
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Don't think that because you crashed now, that it won't happen again!
You started off right with a 250 but you got to take baby steps and don't underestimate ANYTHING. Good luck with your riding You will get the hang of it!
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August 2nd, 2012, 02:57 PM | #15 |
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Wow sorry to hear about the crash. Ever since mines, I've been trolling the crash threads more, and you're situation seems very similar to mine. Doesn't look too bad though. Just pick your head up and keep going at it.
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in other news. i got my motorcycle license.. or endorsement today. yaaaaaaay. |
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August 2nd, 2012, 09:44 PM | #21 |
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Technique |tekˈnēk|
noun a way of carrying out a particular task, esp. the execution or performance of an artistic work or a scientific procedure. • skill or ability in a particular field : he has excellent technique | [in sing. ] an established athlete with a very good technique. • a skillful or efficient way of doing or achieving something : tape recording is a good technique for evaluating our own communications. Maybe you know of the technique... I feel like this wouldn't have happened if you knew the technique :/ |
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August 2nd, 2012, 10:29 PM | #22 | |
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lean more and look through turn and i would have been fine. and your right if i performed what i should have it all would have been avoided.. no crash, no thread, just a good feeling after the turn. i saw some dirt by the engine case so i might take that apart and clean it and the chain is dirty too. if i get time tomorrow im clean that too so i can get out sooner and practice the technique jvd is talking about. |
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August 3rd, 2012, 05:27 AM | #23 |
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Its not so much a fact of getting your first crash "out of the way" and suddenly being safe. All riders go down at some point, that's how it works. Going down once doesn't mean you won't go down again.
BUT, it looks like you're learning from this one though, so keep at it!!! The best riders are the ones who learn from every mistake they make and apply it. Good luck and stay safe. You're only allowed one post in this section of the forums Posted via Mobile Device |
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I guess I should have said "practice" instead of learn.. but then again it's not something you can learn on paper or from youtube alone. I'm still learning technique and I have 10 track days under my belt. it's nothing to be egotistical about.
I had 100's of laps before my fast lowside crash on buttonwillow raceway. "I knew technique" back then so what happened?? I took that turn many times and I was fine. What happened that time? See where I'm getting at? Just cause you "did it before" doesn't mean you're ready for it next time (well you know that by now). In any case, good luck. Not trying to be an a$$ here I just know what overconfidence does to people. |
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yeah i know what your saying and i agree with you. Thanks for the advice man. Really set me back down on earth. btw. u got a r6. i love u. What do you guys say is the best way to practice? just go out on some twisties and keep practicing? |
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Consider yourself in greater than normal danger and vulnerability during your first months of riding. Rather than being discouraged, become extra attentive and careful regarding traffic as well as curious and flexible regarding reading books and practicing. Try avoiding adverse conditions during the first times: heavy traffic, strong wind, night, rain, etc. Baby steps took you to this point, stay at that pace. My best!
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August 4th, 2012, 10:53 AM | #27 |
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Glad you are okay! Don't be too hard on yourself, it was a learning experience and now you know what not to do.
I think the best way to practice is to choose good day conditions (exactly what @Motofool said) and to choose roads that you are very familiar with. I know that when I was first on the road, the roads that I "knew" and drove in a car every day felt very different on a bike. You know it, there's comfort in knowing it, but it's still different ya know? But then add the uncertainty of unknown roads/curves/turns and uber hardness while learning.
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What happened? I got too confident. I was entering the turn at 108mph. Way faster than I ever did. I got scared and hit brakes. Not too much but enough to load the front all the way. Forks had no more in them and front folded and I lowsided. Guess what though it thought me a lot. If I did this on a canyon road, I wouldn't be here typing all this. Best way to practice is on track. I felt like on my first track day ever, I learned more than I ever could on the street. Sure, twisties might teach you a few things too, but it's not a place to truly learn or find your limits in my opinion. Errors cost you too much in the twisties. On track, you go down. You get up and try again another day. And there's no oncoming traffic to kill you. Twisties should be leisure rides in my opinion. Just enjoy the weather, scenery, ride at 60% of your limit and have fun. Track is where you push your limits and increase them. Many canyon heroes who push themselves on twisty public roads who've never been to track would call me a pu$$y and disagree with above statements. But I gave up trying. People die in many ways. It's their choice if they wanna fly off a cliff or get wrapped around a tree. |
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August 4th, 2012, 11:13 PM | #33 | |
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Thanks! and yeah i have watched twist of the wrist 2 and stuff. im definitely not discouraged. i wanna get out there and ride again. thanks for the advice.
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exactly! and im happy this learning experience wasn't too bad on the bike and no one got hurt. just recently ordered a K&N airfilter for it cuz i felt bad. rear stand too so i can lube the chain and clean it cuz it seems a bit dirty. |
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