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Riding the piss out of it? How did it stack up?
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October 1st, 2012, 09:27 PM | #84 |
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Well.
(Will write more, but currently dealing with plumbing issue that takes precedence....)
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Good. I'll be waiting for a review.
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October 2nd, 2012, 12:31 AM | #86 |
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October 2nd, 2012, 07:57 AM | #87 |
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So Alex, now that you've had it for a few days, what's your take on the build quality on the 300 vs the 250? Those Indonesian folks seems to be saying that the plastics are more flimsy on this new Ninja. Did you give it the good ole' tapping test?
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October 2nd, 2012, 08:47 AM | #88 | |
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October 2nd, 2012, 08:56 AM | #89 |
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I'm still scheduling time for a thorough tapping of the bike, leaving no surface untapped.
(plastics are fine. The parts that are easily removable like the black plastic in between the fairing and the gas tank are thin and flexible, makes them pretty easy to pop off without bending/breaking them.)
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October 2nd, 2012, 10:47 AM | #90 |
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I wonder how easy it is to install frame sliders on this
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October 2nd, 2012, 08:17 PM | #91 |
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Congrats on the new bike looks awesome! I love the speedometer too. Too bad I don't have the cash to pick one up so my 2009 will do for now. Though once I sell it, its only got two scratches on the right fairings and brake handle, I may take that money and save up to try out the 2013 model.
How much more powerful is it? How's the turning ratio, similar to the 250? I imagine it will be heavier since the 300cc? |
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October 2nd, 2012, 08:55 PM | #92 |
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It's noticeably more powerful from idle to redline. Not "yank your arms out and shoot the front wheel into the air powerful", but there's never a question of "I wonder if this has more oomph than the 250, it's hard to tell". In the midrange it means that it can smoothly pull from 4k on up. Turning ratio? Not sure exactly what you're asking here. It still is very nimble, and feels just as light. The steering does feel slightly damped and not as instant as the 250, but that's probably due to the rake being slightly more conservative, and the wider rear tire slowing tip-in, even if only slightly. It's a small thing, and it remains a bike that's extremely easy to steer & lean.
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October 2nd, 2012, 08:56 PM | #93 |
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How's the top end feel in comparison to your 08? I expected the mid-range to be improved, but the top interests me. (32mm TB's that I'm wondering if I can mate up to my efi system yo! )
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October 2nd, 2012, 09:00 PM | #95 |
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Top end feels flat, like the 08-12's. There is no rush to redline like there is on the pre-gens. I'd be interested to see a dyno as well. I don't think the power is falling off as much over 11k as on the new-gens, but it doesn't feel like it's still climbing.
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Hmmm, that's the same feeling I get with mine since I switched to efi. I have a much more gutsy mid-range, but my top end feels kinda flat. Honestly, my bike delivers power just like my buddy's totally stock '10 model, but more oomph. I need to get to a dyno to see what I can do with the top end.
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October 2nd, 2012, 09:11 PM | #97 |
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October 2nd, 2012, 09:14 PM | #98 |
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Those are nice numbers! 34.38 peak, 17.55 max torque, and a nice smooth power curve.
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October 2nd, 2012, 09:17 PM | #99 | |
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October 2nd, 2012, 09:19 PM | #100 |
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That's exactly what I expected the 300's dyno to look like. I think with a quality Area P pipe, air filter and remapping, 40 hp wouldn't be unattainable
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Yup, just like Alex observed; the drop off at the top end isn't as pronounced on the 300 as it is on the 250
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They're definitely capable. I've felt both rich and lean from this system. They're rich.
The injectors deliver the fuel anyway but yeah, I want to get my hands on a wideband sensor for one side and assume the other is the same and adjust my open loop map accordingly. |
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Yeah I know. That's what I was thinking about doing this summer. Would be more fun than the dyno anyways.
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October 2nd, 2012, 09:37 PM | #106 |
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2fiddy runs on 87
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October 2nd, 2012, 09:45 PM | #107 |
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Right, I think he was saying if you went the other way to bump the compression back up (by using smaller gasket, shaving the head, whatever), there's plenty of space to do so, and then you might need to go to a higher octane fuel to keep things happy. If the bike already required 91, there's less room to up compression for more power before things get more stressed.
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October 2nd, 2012, 09:47 PM | #108 |
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11.6.1 compression should run 91+ You can run cheap stuff but detonation is not as easily fought off which is why anything above 11 should run 91+ octane.
With the 300 they dropped compression to 10.6.1 so people could run 87 without detonation issues. |
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But so, the ninja 250's compression is 11.6:1 and it runs on and is meant to run on 87. That's what I was getting at. You said "back to" 91 but we were never at 91 to begin with
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October 2nd, 2012, 09:53 PM | #111 |
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That's true. 87 was recommended on the new-gens as well. But now we have even more room to play with things before things get closer to detonation or other limits. The static compression ratio isn't the only determinant of whether high octane fuel is required (it's related, but there is no absolute scale that "this number = premium required"). Valve timing, bore size, piston design, materials, and a bunch of other design choices all play a role.
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October 2nd, 2012, 09:59 PM | #112 |
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General rule of thumb is that once you hit compression levels in the 11+ range you really need to run premium gas. Once you get into the 12+ then even greater than 93 octane is generally needed.
As Alex stated.. my point is that the 300 with its lower stock compression ratio give us one more avenue to exploit a bit more power from it if desired with little effort. |
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I want a 300 motor in my 250 now....
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October 2nd, 2012, 10:08 PM | #114 |
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Right, but that's not universal, for some of the reasons I listed. The pre-gen ninjettes had a compression ratio over 12 and still were rated for 87 octane. The new-gen ninjettes with 11.6 also were 87 octane, and now that we're into the 10's with the 300's; they are still rated for 87 octane.
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I wonder how different the new engine mounts are. I'll see if I can get a 300 engine from rusninja since he totaled his
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October 3rd, 2012, 01:35 AM | #117 |
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Shut up punk i might get my bike back tomorrow they sending kawi teck + a gauge and if gauge is the problem and only problem i should be riding soon :]
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October 3rd, 2012, 04:54 PM | #119 |
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Sweet looking bike Alex.
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October 4th, 2012, 12:08 AM | #120 |
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Got my bike back instead of 57 miles i have 25 now 5 that they were testing >.> seems like its functioning good hopefully the problems are over. Now i have to train so if you ever set up a group ride alex. x]
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