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October 2nd, 2012, 10:11 PM | #42 |
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October 3rd, 2012, 06:32 AM | #43 | |
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Haha. Something about the "industrial machine" comparison made me lol. I'm thinking about moving up to a 650R when I'm ready too, and that exhaust note (from what I've heard on youtube) kinda bothers me. But I'll deal. As for the engine braking...Were there any plans to introduce a slipper clutch to the new 650s, like they have in the 250R? |
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October 4th, 2012, 08:38 AM | #44 |
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Quick follow up
Regarding the throttle response between the 650 and the 1000...how would you describe the difference? Which one is more twitchy? Quicker off the line? Is the response different in thew RPM range?
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October 4th, 2012, 09:19 AM | #45 |
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The 650 is kinda twitchy but IMO its not an issue unless you're in the twisties
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October 4th, 2012, 09:50 AM | #46 |
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whoa..
You pay 445/year?? I'm 36 and only pay 280/year without a msf course and being a noob..
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October 4th, 2012, 01:48 PM | #47 |
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You realize insurance rates can be dependent on more factors than age, right? They often have a lot to do with where you're insured. For example, in Central Florida, a densely populated area with a 12 month riding season, I would pay more than if I lived in Cheyenne, WY. This is why comparing insurance to anyone other than someone living near you is mostly useless.
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October 4th, 2012, 02:03 PM | #48 |
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Exactly
Yeah....insurance is high in hillborough county...most accidents in the state per capita. Tampa sux for any kind of insurance.....storms, hurricanes, floods, plus all the crappy drivers.
Im mainly trying to figure out if the Ninja 1000 is too much motorcycle/power....or if its smoother on throttle than the Ninja 650. I love the styling of the 650...looks bad ass. But I also like big bikes. I weigh 220, Im 5'7" (stocky build with a beer gut), I want a bike that can, but also be smooth. |
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October 4th, 2012, 02:51 PM | #49 |
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From my experience the 650 on the street was fine. The advantages the 1000 has for street riding are smoother throttle control with less engine braking, low rpms with smooth power (1.2k+ rpms), a more adjustable stock suspension, and less vibrations at certain rpms.
Smoother Throttle Control While the 1000 does have smoother control this is not a make it or break it factor for street riding. The places where I feel that this does give the 1000 a superior edge is in the twisties and in parking lots. You'll be doing a lot of friction zone accelerating and clutched rolling in parking lots whereas with the 1000 you won't have to quite as much Low RPMs w/ Smooth Power You can accelerate from extremely low rpms without lugging the engine on the 1000. 4th Gear @ 20mph = no problem. I think just the nature of a twin causes it to lug that low, with the 650 you'll want to be 2.5k+ Another thing about this though is that its much easier to upshift and downshift on the 650. It is crazy how hard it is to smoothly upshift on the 1000. I generally just do it clutchless since the engine revs up and down so quickly the amount of time it takes to squeeze the clutch causes the engine speed to drop below the wheel speed. The 650 wasn't nearly as hard. Oh and down shifting, man you need the smallest of small blips on the 1000, I over rev it 90% of the time. The nice thing though, is that you rarely need to down shift unless coming to a stop. The 1000 also has a slipper clutch so if you really botch a shift it will help you out. Stock Suspension + Vibration The 650 I believe only has a rear preload while the 1000 also has a preload on the forks as well too also. It makes it easier to get the suspension tuned to your liking from stock. The nature of an liter i4 causes it to have lower revs and less vibration. The 650 feels about the same as the 250 in the vibration department, except when you redline it. Damn, if you ever have a problem getting your girl off just throw her on the back seat of the 650 and go ride at redline for 30 seconds. Power Irrelevant, both have too much. Cool Things The 1000 has a lever adjustable windshield (650s is adjustable with an allen head wrench and 10 minutes of your time) The 650 has a MPG indicator (if you pay attention to it, you will net higher mileage) Summary I'd say, aside from the greater skill required for shifting, the 1000 is an all around better bike than the 650. The question is, for the way you want to ride, are those extra perks worth: the 4-5k more for the bike, the lower MPGs, increased maintance cost, increased insurance cost, and poor color scheme choice? For me, (aside from that last part ) the answer is an easy yes.
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October 4th, 2012, 05:49 PM | #50 |
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Ahhh.... I didn't realize you lived in the land of the red tide smell and where drunken pirate lawyers run throught the streets looking for booze during Gasparilla. haha.
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October 4th, 2012, 06:23 PM | #51 | |
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October 4th, 2012, 07:33 PM | #52 | |
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October 4th, 2012, 07:54 PM | #53 | |
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In similar gears on the street, if you got WOT on both bikes (and try not to wheelie) you will find that they have similar acceleration, the zx10r will have slightly more but its hardly enough reason to say "I don't consider the ninja 1000 a literbike" zx10r ninja 1000
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October 4th, 2012, 08:28 PM | #54 | |
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October 5th, 2012, 07:34 AM | #55 | |
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Ninja 1000 509lbs 136H 3.74lbs/hp ZX10 437lbs 194hp 2.25lbs/hp 600RR 410lbs 120hp 3.42lbs/hp My 08 600RR pulls harder overall than the Ninja 1000 and the above are curb weights and crank HP numbers to show why. The Ninja 1000 is more on par with a 600 and I can tell you from riding with a guy on a Z1000 my 600RR is faster. When I take off he simply can't catch up. Maybe it would change over 100mph but we have never tried. The big difference is the torque, which makes the 1000 great on the street, but when you wind them up the 1000 will be even or behind a 600 with an experienced rider. Not from looking at numbers or graphs, but from rising these two bikes I do not consider the Ninja 1000 a literbike. It cannot keep up with them but it wasn't meant to. It has a much more useful powerband. I was intimidated by the displacement when I rode it at first, treating it like a literbike, but quickly realize how much more tame it was and started hammering the throttle and taking it through its paces. Great bike and it is on my radar for a comfortable medium distance highway bike, but it is no literbike. |
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October 5th, 2012, 07:48 AM | #56 |
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October 5th, 2012, 10:08 AM | #57 |
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Maybe you missed the part about street riding? The zx10 redlined in the triple digits, you're never going to hit that so its peak hp is irrelevant. The n1k and zx10 will feel very similar on the street
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October 5th, 2012, 10:51 AM | #58 |
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Have you spent much time on them? They don't feel similar a literbike feels much faster even if you aren't redlining it all the time it is a completely different class of motorcycle. The 1000 is much heavier.
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October 5th, 2012, 10:58 AM | #59 |
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Right tell me more about how a bike that will power wheelie at any legal speed is going to feel significantly slower on the street. I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for this one.
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October 5th, 2012, 12:49 PM | #60 | |
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Easy, no gear. Just kidding, phase change cooling vest. I stay cool in summer... Not as good as a cool day, but at least it makes it tolerable in a jacket in summertime. http://www.coolvest.com/ They're in West Melbourne. Jesus, some people will argue about anything. Yes, the Ninja 1000 has a 1 liter engine, and it's a bike. So it's a literbike, it's just a term. Yes, the ZX-10R is faster, so what? This is like the retards that argue over whether a Ninjette is a sport bike. The answer is moot.
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October 5th, 2012, 12:51 PM | #61 |
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The Ninja 1000 is a great bike but it doesn't feel as fast as a literbike. Have you ever even ridden both of these bikes? I thought the same things you do...then I rode it. The Ninja 1000 doesn't power wheelie that easily. Again, I was surprised at how TAME it was. This is not a bad thing, it makes it a GREAT bike for the street- much better than a supersport. Instead of arguing why don't you put an hour in the saddle of each riding like a real person (not short shifting every gear to stay away from the powerband) and tell me that it feels as fast as a ZX10. |
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October 5th, 2012, 01:52 PM | #69 |
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That's a good point but, I think the limiting factor for speed in that situation would be the balls on the rider and not the bike. For example, I've gone 127mph on my 650 but I don't think I'll ever go 155mph on the 1000.
That would just be stupid
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October 24th, 2012, 07:27 AM | #70 |
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Thinking of @005 ZZR600 instead?
I saw an 05 ZZR600 going for $3499 today. I was wondering if any of you have ridden this bike? Looks like its in good shape, only 5700 miles.
I sat on the 650 and the 1000....ergos seem a bit more upright than the 250....but the ZZR seems about right. How would you compare the ZZR to the 250? Power delivery and comfort just as smooth? Worth the jump? |
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So you can hit every dirt path in between. Can't ride twisties? **** it, ride offroad!! It also uses some of the same parts as the 250...
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the ZZR is essentially a pre 2003 ZX6. Its a SS but not necessarily considered one. Either way it will slap the **** out of the 250...
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Get the 1000 I went from a 250 to 750 and my 750 is actually faster then the ninja 1000 and I'm completely fine. I rode the 650 and while it's a cool bike, I just don't like it at all compared to the ninja 1000. As long as you're mature you can handle the 1000.
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