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View Poll Results: Average fuel economy on your Ninja 300? | |||
less than 20 mpg | 1 | 1.75% | |
21 mpg - 30 mpg | 1 | 1.75% | |
31 mpg - 40 mpg | 0 | 0% | |
41 mpg - 50 mpg | 13 | 22.81% | |
51 mpg - 60 mpg | 24 | 42.11% | |
61 mpg - 70 mpg | 12 | 21.05% | |
71 mpg - 80 mpg | 3 | 5.26% | |
81 mpg - 90 mpg | 0 | 0% | |
91 mpg - 100 mpg | 1 | 1.75% | |
more than 100 mpg | 2 | 3.51% | |
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October 9th, 2012, 06:37 PM | #81 | |
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One of the things I am very eager to find out from Area P is what we will actually get to control with the ECU management as I plan to learn and tune my bike as well. I am hopeful this forum will have a specific area for tuning information since it looks like there willbe several company's that provide ECU management. I think it will be important to understand what each offers and how we may benefit from that. of course this is all within the limitations of the bike itself. I come from being able to manage cam angles by rpm, and telling the engine when to go from low to high cam. This bike will be severely limited I am sure but still a hoot to tune. People think you loose so much control with tuning once you go FI but they actually gain more control and more importantly data to manage their tunes. |
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October 9th, 2012, 07:50 PM | #82 |
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I don't believe that's true, and even if it was possible I don't think a stock ECU would be that sophisticated as to make changes based on information it has received
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October 9th, 2012, 08:03 PM | #83 | |
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LOL go google it then you will learn a lot of neat stuff. It's all just calculations from sensor inputs and a base map. |
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October 9th, 2012, 08:08 PM | #84 |
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Yea it can adjust to air temp, that's about it. It can't adjust to octane ratings or lean/rich conditions without information about it
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October 9th, 2012, 08:38 PM | #85 |
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As long as the system has a way of sensing temp/pressure changes, it will be pretty good. For example, your ninja 650 ran fine right? Those don't have O2 sensors.
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October 9th, 2012, 08:41 PM | #86 | |
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And adjust for altitude using map or Maf And TPS ( throttle position) And IAT ( intake temp sensor) And......all of these thing directly affect the AF. The stock ECU has static tables setup with target AFs Without an O2 then it's all based off preset kal rather than getting to use the O2 to be able to adjust the kal based off target AF. So what this means is that the ECU has boundaries on the calculations it can do to meet a target AF but it can still adjust the AF or lean rich conditions using other sensors besides the O2. Why do you think guys would rather ride Pikes Peak with FI rather than being carburated? |
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October 9th, 2012, 09:43 PM | #87 |
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Wouldn't any probable power gains of running higher octane be dependant on whether or not Kawasaki programmed in ignition advance limits?
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October 9th, 2012, 11:36 PM | #88 | |
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And how does this correlate to your bike running better with 93? It doesn't.
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October 10th, 2012, 05:26 AM | #89 | |
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Example intake air temps since jiggles likes that one. In the map there is a IAT compensation table which represents a range of temps. This ensures the bikes runs good from -20 to 120F if those are the values put in. So yes kawasaki would optimize the tune for the best environment and fuel of their choosing which in this case could be 87 octane. The point is that the tune deals with changes from inputs whether it is fueling or IATs, ..... When we get a either piggy back ECU or a replacement one which is programmable we would optimize it for our fuel environment variables. So in the case of temps I would say hey I am in Texas and would narrow my -20F temp for the bottom of the scale to be 0F so when the ECU calculates the Result willbe a closer one. The down side of this is as you narrow the scope of a tune you also have to potentially adjust it more as well to maintain the up in power you have gained like changing jets and such but it's just updating a map or having a few maps for the different times of year. The O2 is must have in my book. |
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October 10th, 2012, 05:31 AM | #90 | |
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I said the ECU will compensate for 93 with no ill affects and I also said it could gain, loose, or having nothing as results in power or mileage since all of that is dependent on the input variables being used by the ECU. My point to all of this is that the ECU is equipped to handle 87-93+? Octane no problem. A carbed setup is not as blessed in that regard since it has no inputs\logic or does any calculations to make determinations with. |
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October 10th, 2012, 07:10 AM | #91 |
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Many modern performance vehicles are more than capable of sensing the octane rating of supplied fuel, and usually are able to take advantage of higher-octane gasoline by advancing the spark timing and so forth. The end result is more power.
I'm not sure if the new Ninjette has this capability, but it's really not far-fetched...and by the way, FI works just fine without needing to be in closed-loop with an O2 sensor.. I know this first hand from my car, when the rear O2s stopped functioning. Worst thing that happened was that it idled slightly lower. Like Thomas said, the ECU calculates its input fuel amounts based on its almanac of data maps and using the temperature and throttle position; which, in most cases, lets the engine combust the fuel/air at "close enough" to the ideal stoichiometric ratio. |
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October 10th, 2012, 07:50 AM | #92 |
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May need to start a new thread in regards to ECU management and all the different brands that will surely come but I thought the below was interesting and related to how the ECU can use these inputs.
The 300 49 state version seems to have the following that "should" be used by the ECU as inputs. After reviewing the parts diagram. IATs - intake air temps VSS - variable speed sensor Manifold pressure TPS - throttle position sensor seems to be part of throttle body sold as a unit but I will have to visually check my bike since there was another sensor there not labeled but TPS seems logical. I also saw something new to me which was a Damper ECU? Not sure what that is..... Anyway I hope some of this is helpful and will start a different thread at some point since this thread is about gas mileage and I think we have gone a little off course. |
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October 10th, 2012, 01:03 PM | #93 |
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So are there knock sensors in these bikes to adjust the ignition timing if the ECU allows?
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October 10th, 2012, 02:10 PM | #94 |
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October 10th, 2012, 03:32 PM | #95 |
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Ya I guess maybe they're not as practical in sportbikes probably due to the engine noise these things make.
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October 14th, 2012, 10:46 PM | #96 |
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45 mpg today, on a ride up and over Mt. Hamilton. It's evidently slightly better when I'm not chasing/being chased by Jason.
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October 15th, 2012, 06:46 PM | #97 | |
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October 17th, 2012, 01:35 PM | #98 |
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I was gonna get a 300 to have better gas mileage, power, and fun. But, my 250 with a full system gets around 55 mpg consistently with no babying. Drops down to about high 40s on a track day.
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October 17th, 2012, 01:48 PM | #99 |
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Yeah, you certainly don't need the 300 for mileage, then. My impression is that I will need to really concentrate on mileage to get much better than that. My highest tank so far has been 61, and that was without babying it, but it also included a fair amount of flat cruising. I'm sure the 70s are feasible if that's your aim, but it's not mine, so I imagine 50s will be the norm.
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October 17th, 2012, 01:56 PM | #100 | |
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October 17th, 2012, 02:18 PM | #101 | |
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I'm getting around 55 mpg - mostly in town (stop-n-go/slow speed stuff, 95% of riding) and some not twisty at all local backroads. Easy on the revs, eco usually on. Hrmmm... |
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October 17th, 2012, 03:15 PM | #102 |
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My experience has been that motorcycles tend to get much better mileage when at higher elevation. Not sure where your local riding takes you in Colorado, but I would assume that you're a little bit closer to extraterrestrial life than we are, and that would help average mileage numbers over time.
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October 17th, 2012, 03:48 PM | #103 |
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True altitude does play a part in the fuel economy, also end up losing a bit of power too because of the altitude. Just didn't think it would give me so much better fuel economy.
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October 18th, 2012, 11:02 PM | #104 |
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Aways had a hankering for "fish tacos"
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October 19th, 2012, 11:26 AM | #105 |
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got 62 on my last fill up
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October 21st, 2012, 01:18 PM | #106 |
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Last two tanks: 38 mpg, then 46 mpg.
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Alex, I think you should also post up some numbers once Annie starts riding it. You might just be the most throttle-happy rider in our little pole
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October 21st, 2012, 07:58 PM | #108 |
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Seriously dude! I feel guilty for what I'm putting my baby through, and I haven't dropped below 50. 38!!! I just spent a whole day out in the country, stopping regularly to practice launches, and redlining the bejessus out of 'er on the 0-60 runs. I'll see what this tank is like, but the gauge is dropping at the same rate as usual. So I just don't know what you do to that thing, lol.
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I'm not very aerodynamic.
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October 23rd, 2012, 04:21 PM | #110 |
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Got another identical 61 MPG today. About to do my break-in service!
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October 23rd, 2012, 07:30 PM | #111 |
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You look very aerodynamic in you Avatar...
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October 29th, 2012, 01:29 PM | #112 |
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The quietness in here is chilling oooo.
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October 29th, 2012, 05:30 PM | #113 |
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October 29th, 2012, 06:36 PM | #114 |
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Yesterday's fillup was 67 MPG. 7/8 highway.
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October 29th, 2012, 06:43 PM | #115 |
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Got 51 last fillup since putting on my Roso IIs he he he
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October 29th, 2012, 06:45 PM | #116 |
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Next goal is into the 40's, Thomas!
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October 29th, 2012, 07:30 PM | #117 |
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I bet high 40s are there but I need to find some hills or get on a track. Lol!!
What a joy this bike is. I can't wait to get a full exhaust on this thing. It's damned near the perfect bike for my needs. I love being able to use all of it so much yet it's still comfy minus the still hard seat lol. |
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October 29th, 2012, 07:37 PM | #118 |
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Sideroads - constant high speeds in the higher gears (about 70% of riding). Speed limit around town is 45mph+, less traffic in the morning on weekends, eco always on (rpms down low). No hwy miles whatsoever. Don't know if my featherweight has anything to do with it...
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October 30th, 2012, 05:50 AM | #119 | |
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What??? All you 300 riders quite riding in November?
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