October 21st, 2012, 08:11 PM | #41 |
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Not really (depending on what you think is expensive). I think the last bike we had shipped out here from SoCal was about $400 in a crate (one-way). Over the years, we've had bikes shipped to us from all over the world for R&D. In alot of cases, it's actually really surprising how relatively cheap it is. We've also had people drive pretty darn far (several states) to drop them off. Then they fly home and when we're done with their bike, we either ship it back or they fly back out and ride it home!
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October 21st, 2012, 11:58 PM | #42 |
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Idk Lmao I think thats to long of a ride especialy when i dont get vacation time and 800 bucks to ship back and forth is alot. >.>
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October 22nd, 2012, 02:48 AM | #43 |
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@kbryant - Kerry, as a tipp I'll show you a dyno-run from a standard Ninja 250R in Europe.
At the FI-Ninja it's no good idea to take of the snorkel and many members in a german forum put it back on again after removing it and the engine's not running as good as before. Red means without snorkel Blue is with the snorkel Green is with snorkel and K&N Airfilter I think the 250 is not that different to the 300 with FI. |
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October 22nd, 2012, 06:33 AM | #44 |
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Well we never assume anything without thourghly testing it. I don't know what exhaust you were testing with and if it had an EC/TUV muffler, what the mapping was, if it was in closed or open loop, etc. The stock mapping on the Euro model required a lot of fuel to be removed to work properly, even with the stock exhaust. If the exhaust being tested was reasonably restrictive, there would be no advantage to increasing air intake by removing the snorkel.
The 300 is very different than the 250 and will no doubt respond differently as well to modifications; especially mapping. With a properly designed exhaust system and as importantly, properly designed mapping, there may be an advantage to removing the intake snorkel. Larger throttle bodies and intake valves, and a variety of other changes on the 300, may allow it to respond well to it being removed. But existing airbox volume may be perfectly fine without removing it. R&D will confirm this. |
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October 22nd, 2012, 02:57 PM | #45 |
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kerry - any chance of a shorty exhaust model? something small and compact.
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October 22nd, 2012, 04:00 PM | #46 |
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@kbryant no way of spliting the cost of shipping maybe i ship there and you pay shiping back ?
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October 22nd, 2012, 04:08 PM | #47 |
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Ruslan, stop failing at being a mooch. Kerry has been good to this forum, let's not be annoying.
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October 22nd, 2012, 05:05 PM | #48 |
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Yep. But we're not going to show that one just yet. Those designs are inherently loud & simply do not make power. But, there is the appeal of that style for some people. We are going to explore it during testing.
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October 22nd, 2012, 05:30 PM | #49 | |
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October 22nd, 2012, 05:54 PM | #50 |
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aww man hopefully you guys find a bike willing soon enough. Conical tips will be still be a option right? And is there anyway of getting the bolts around the can in a color like say red. >.>
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October 22nd, 2012, 07:24 PM | #51 |
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October 22nd, 2012, 07:24 PM | #52 |
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I know its a little ot but it feels like my bike runs stronger when its cold and when its hot it seems bit slower and rev happy could stock tune be kind of lean?
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October 22nd, 2012, 07:34 PM | #53 | |
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October 22nd, 2012, 07:43 PM | #54 |
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October 22nd, 2012, 07:47 PM | #55 |
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October 22nd, 2012, 07:59 PM | #56 |
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ah.. sorry
Never know, they may still need one there |
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October 22nd, 2012, 08:56 PM | #57 | |
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but it's not that simple, because the FI map is also dependent on engine temp. Carbs are much easier to tune than FI. That's why so many people buy an exhaust, a PC, and some dyno time at a shop. |
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October 23rd, 2012, 07:32 AM | #58 |
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October 23rd, 2012, 07:36 AM | #59 |
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Could be many things. Not much you can do at the moment. Once we have our FI Micro Tuner, the A/F can be adjusted and address most issues with new mapping.
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October 23rd, 2012, 11:54 AM | #60 |
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we wont be hearing any updates for atleast few weeks are we :[
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October 23rd, 2012, 11:58 AM | #61 |
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I'm sure you'll be the first to hear, Ruslan.
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October 23rd, 2012, 12:47 PM | #63 |
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Quick someone uninvite him from the group ride!
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October 23rd, 2012, 12:54 PM | #64 |
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October 23rd, 2012, 02:57 PM | #65 |
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awesome, definitely doesn't hurt to have more options!
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November 2nd, 2012, 07:20 AM | #66 |
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We've worked out a deal with eddieA6987 to utilize his bike for the final R&D testing of prototypes we have designed. Our FI management system for the 300 is in production and should be ready within the next two weeks. We will then be able to begin our A/F mapping program. Stay tuned.
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November 2nd, 2012, 09:50 AM | #67 |
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Bueno!
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November 2nd, 2012, 02:20 PM | #68 |
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Yay news!
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November 5th, 2012, 02:26 PM | #69 |
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We've had quite a few inquires about the FI and what will be involved with our exhaust as far as the A/F curve goes. We are really hesitant to release too much info until our R&D program is completed, confirmed, and re-confirmed. But we can tell you this, the OEM A/F curve leaves alot of room for improvement. In many aspects, the A/F curve has similarities to the carbed version. The good news is that with precisely and thourghly developed A/F maps written, overall performance and throttle response will be dramatically improved. And they will be much more precise than carbs could ever hope to be. Stay tuned.
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November 5th, 2012, 03:26 PM | #70 |
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Omg @kbryant your teasing us hurry and get something out for us i'll probably be the first customer any input how much the tuner will be, Would you sell it at a set price with exhaust :O??
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November 15th, 2012, 03:39 PM | #71 |
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Can't wait to hear a sound clip
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November 19th, 2012, 07:50 PM | #73 | |
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November 19th, 2012, 08:00 PM | #74 |
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Yay :]] do you think The final product can be at our doors before new years ?
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November 20th, 2012, 06:55 AM | #75 |
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No sorry it won't be ready by then. First we have to finish our R&D testing, hopefully that is with Eddie's bike. Then tooling/fixtures for production. As with any of our products, we won't be releasing it until we have the best possible combinations of exhaust system design(s) and FI Mapping. We will have FI Micro Programmers and maps available next month. The OEM A/F curve is lean below 5500 rpm, then goes rich, then stabilizes while still rich with the stock exhaust. So even with the stock exhaust system, major improvements can be had with proper mapping for throttle response and overall power. Realistically, exhaust systems will be available in late January provided our R&D program goes as planned. And as we have done in the past, there will be package deals and GB's available exclusively to ninjette members upon its release
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November 26th, 2012, 08:38 AM | #76 |
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Our new FI Micro Programmers are now in stock. We've scheduled Eddie's bike in later this week for fitment of the prototypes, dyno testing and FI management. We'll have it here in our Florida location for about 5 days. We have several preliminary maps already written, based on testing of the stock/oem A/F curve. These will be adjusted and fine tuned based on the production bike (Eddie's), and the many different combinations of prototypes we have to test. We'll compile the data and post information as we go along.
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November 26th, 2012, 12:18 PM | #77 |
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Very cool update Kerry.
I'm curious, do you plan to upload these fuel maps to the PC website for anyone to download or do you plan to only give the PC map out with the purchase of a system? I'm not sure how that works logistically since I have never used a PC. Also, will these maps be applicable to all users? Like those who ride in mountains vs those who ride at sea level etc? Again, I've never used a PC before so I'm not sure how that works. Anyway, I enjoy the reading. Thanks for the updates. |
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November 28th, 2012, 08:38 AM | #78 | |
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The maps will be developed and available from Area P. So when you purchase the FI Micro Programmer, map support is included. They will not be available on the Dynojet website. Our FI Micro units are manufactured by Dynojet exclusively for a company we have partnered with called "Fuelmoto", utilizing proprietary logic. The new Micro Programmers will be available exclusively from Area P and Fuelmoto only. We will have separate maps written and developed for PCV units as well. We’ve had a long-term relationship with Fuelmoto and asked for these units to be specifically developed for the Ninja 300. The unit is easy to install and utilizes OEM type connectors (plug & play). Fuelmoto is the leading expert in our industry for FI management. We have partnered with them because they have a similar technical and customer support background to Area P. Maps will be available for the OEM exhaust and of course all the different Area P configurations as well. We’ll have an extensive map support system and warranty that will set a new industry standard (the Micro Programmer comes with a two year warranty). We will continually develop map data bases for most combinations of tune, elevation, temp and humidity. And for those who may not wish to experiment with the Tuning features included on the CD in the kit, you can simply contact us and explain what your particular bike is doing or not doing within your riding conditions and/or state-of-tune. We can then make changes to your specific map and e-mail it to you as part of our support system. Or, you can take advantage of our live “Offsite Tuning Support”. In simple terms, we can access/log onto to your computer that you have the map up on, and make adjustments in real time! This particular feature will be done through Fuelmoto and support will cover all Area P and Fuelmoto maps with purchase of the Micro Programmer. Here's a picture of the kit. Price is $249.95 We'll be releasing more info on them next week. Last futzed with by kbryant; December 10th, 2012 at 06:26 AM. |
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November 28th, 2012, 11:45 AM | #79 |
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Very cool Kerry! Now I want a Ninja 300.
Tip of the hat for customer service like that. |
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November 28th, 2012, 11:58 AM | #80 |
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Yep, stuff like this makes a me want a new 300 even more as well.
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