January 9th, 2013, 01:06 PM | #1 |
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Ninja 300 vs. CBR500R - the inevitable comparison thread
Got an 08 250R with the good mods... jet kit, AreaP, K&N, clip-ons, rearsets. Love it.
Getting to the point where the ability to sell and move on will start to drop, though... 13K miles and five years old. So I'm thinking more and more about the next bike. Two appealing choices are the 300 and the new Honda CBR500R. If I got a 300, I'd instantly do the same mods I've got now. I'd also do what I could to the Honda to tweak the ergos to my liking. Performance mods would depend on what becomes available. So the Ninja has - Light weight - Character. It's got soul, especially with the mods. I rode a Ninja 650 at a Kawi demo day and was underwhelmed because it felt like an appliance. - Enough added zip after mods to that it'd be a noticeable step up from my current bike. Without mods, not so much. While the Honda has - While heavier, it's got higher power/weight and torque/weight than the Ninja even after the Kawi is modded. If AreaP released a full system for it... hmm.... - Character is unknown. See above about the Ninja 650 being boring as hell. Leaving Kawi jingoism aside, what do you think of these two bikes? Discusserate. |
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January 9th, 2013, 01:08 PM | #2 |
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January 9th, 2013, 01:13 PM | #3 |
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I'll get shot for saying this, but the cbr500rr is an obvious winner for me, better looking, better built, faster, more torque...
Ride the two, I think you may find the 300 lacking in comparison to the honda. |
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January 9th, 2013, 01:34 PM | #4 |
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January 9th, 2013, 01:35 PM | #6 |
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January 9th, 2013, 01:40 PM | #7 |
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soooo 2 brand new bikes that have never been on the market before and you can already conclude this?
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January 9th, 2013, 01:42 PM | #9 | |
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Honda's not on the market yet, at least not in the US. You have 'em over on the left side of the pond? Besides. NOBODY near me except the BMW dealer allows test rides. Hopefully Honda will run a demo day in the NY Metro area at some point. I definitely plan on hitting up the next Kawi demo day... the last one was a hoot. |
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January 9th, 2013, 01:48 PM | #10 | |
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I havn't ridden one, but it is no surprise that a more powerful bike at pretty much the same weight will make the less powerful bike feel slugish in comparison. And when I say ride one, I am not expecting you to hop to it, if you're thinking of buying either and one is released in the future you will have to at least wait till it's released to buy it, why not wait till it's released to have a go on one, except you can't as your dealers are dicks And yes, I could buy one tomorrow if I wanted to, and i'm pretty sure i'm to the right side of the pond, unless I am Japanese.... no, I checked, I am not. |
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January 9th, 2013, 02:01 PM | #12 |
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I'd pick the Honda over the Kawi 300. The 300 will be too similar to your current bike.
And IMO the Honda looks great. It just needs lower clipon's and an aftermarket exhaust. And of course remove that rear fender. |
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January 9th, 2013, 02:37 PM | #14 |
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Get an SV. It will blow both away at half the cost. Plus you'll be getting a bike with known issues, a plethora of online support, and a ton of aftermarket parts. Getting the first cut of the 300 or 500 could mean waiting to mod it out. There is so much you can do with the sv it's too much fun.
Just my biased opinion but if I had to actually answer the question you asked I would say 500. I still wish the new ninja was a redone ex500 |
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January 9th, 2013, 02:40 PM | #16 |
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January 9th, 2013, 02:48 PM | #17 |
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And this one:
Come one Andrew don't fight it! Btw let me know if you do go to a Kawi demo Ill ride down with you. |
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January 9th, 2013, 02:53 PM | #18 |
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Still don't have cash in hand for yours and besides, didn't you post that you're keeping it?
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January 9th, 2013, 02:58 PM | #19 |
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Yeah but there are a ton of them in our area. Id be happy to help you find one and check it out knowing what to look for. You seem to enjoy modding thats why I bring up the SV you can do literally anything like the pics above. Didnt mean to threadjack
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January 9th, 2013, 04:23 PM | #20 |
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I'd like to ride one as well. Specs seem good for a budget bike. It has compromises in it, including being quite heavy for its size/specs, but so does our 300. I think build quality/finish isn't clearcut as of yet; I thought that this line was going to be built in Thailand as well, like the CBR250R. If so, there's no reason to believe that it will be markedly different from either its little brother, or our kawis built nearby by the same labor force under the same conditions/incentives/pricing structure.
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January 9th, 2013, 05:19 PM | #21 |
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Anyone from Thailand care to chime in?
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January 9th, 2013, 05:20 PM | #22 |
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Same here, I prefer analog speedo and tach.
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January 9th, 2013, 06:09 PM | #23 |
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I have been considering the CBR500r also, called earlier this week and my dealer won't have them until 3/1 at earliest and more likely 4/1. Each dealer different, but that might give a general idea of when they might show up near you.
I seen it's specs in other markets for 47hp stock If the Honda isn't mid 50's hp stock, and only revs to about 10k (if I seen that dig tach in video right) I'd probably not get it. |
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January 9th, 2013, 06:23 PM | #24 |
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Yea for sure, 47hp at the rear wheel for a 500cc is pretty lame.
Kerry seems to think he can get the ninja 300 to 40rwhp and that would probably cost the same (total) as a cbr500. You'd still be down 7hp but also be down 45lbs, thats the option I'd go with but I like light bikes. Now if the cbr500 has the potential for 60rwhp.....
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January 9th, 2013, 06:26 PM | #25 |
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Get a 390 KTM Duke, 44hp, light as it can be and great looking!
http://www.ktm.com/gb/naked-bike/390...l#.UO4YVHwgGK0 |
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January 9th, 2013, 06:32 PM | #26 | |
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January 9th, 2013, 06:34 PM | #27 |
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Nope no fairings and your engine and frame can take the brunt of the crash directly
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January 9th, 2013, 06:35 PM | #28 |
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Lol, half the people on this site add sliders to their ninjas for that exact purpose! To transfer the forces to the frame and engine instead of the fairings
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January 9th, 2013, 06:40 PM | #29 |
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They also help catapult the bike into the air.. don't forget that!!!
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January 9th, 2013, 06:53 PM | #30 |
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Exactly, that ktm duke is awesome!
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January 9th, 2013, 07:38 PM | #31 |
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Or you could just get a used ninja 500 or even Suzuki gs500, both bikes are quick and have a unique personality.
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January 9th, 2013, 09:34 PM | #32 |
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I like the looks of the Honda, but I'm a little skeptical. The trend with Honda to limit the revs for fuel efficiency (NC700 is the same) and ride it with torque isn't my style. The exact reason I bought the 300 is so I have a bike that I can rev to the moon. So I def. still want to check out the Honda, but I think I will prefer my light, rev-happy 300 over the little cibber.
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January 9th, 2013, 10:10 PM | #33 |
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Kinda hard to say since the 300 is now better looking, separate headlights, fuel injected, wider tires, little more hp and cc, integrated signals, better speedo. Except still has the turning and feel of a 250. Basically everything the consumers complained about on the 250 was put in the 300 and is now gorgeous. The cbr 500 is nice too, sporty, heavier and more hp. But its what up to you, i personally like street riding more then highway riding so id go with the 300 (not to say they are not good on highways, there excellent.), if you like highway riding and want to own a heavier feel bike id just jump to a 600 class man. Screw a cbr 500, sv, or gs. Go with a 636, r6, gixxer, cbr600rr, etc...
On a side note, id ditch both of them for one of those sweet ktm dukes, just cuase i love street fighter looks! and its perfect fun size.
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January 10th, 2013, 12:15 AM | #34 |
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January 10th, 2013, 04:48 AM | #36 |
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Yeah well in the 80`s the Japanese had a hard time making bikes look good. But buy a bike for around 2g`s and slap on some modified race glass.
Damn now I'm wanting another bike, curse you all.
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January 10th, 2013, 05:39 AM | #37 |
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I've seen the Ninja 300 at my dealer's and actually it didn't impress me... I was very excited when I saw the pictures and was really counting down till he was available (in belgium only since december), went to see it... came back disapointed Manufactered in India (or was it Indonesia, i don't remember cause I was distracted by the new 636 that was next to the 300), and not in Japan, or USA, or... And that was clearly visible... I tought the bike was't well finished, ugly "design"/"figures" on the plastic pieces next to odometer,... it looked very cheap to me, looked like it was made "quick! quick!" to get it on the market soon etc. Definately not going to buy it so... the 19th of january I have planned a visit to the new CBR500R! A bike that excited me less on pictures/video, but let's give it a chance in real life
200cc's MORE that the Ninja, and only slightly more expensive, so definately worth considering it... (Oh and by the way; Sorry for my poor english )
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January 10th, 2013, 05:40 AM | #38 |
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I like the look of the CBR500R over the Ninja 300 personally. I really want to ride both, thinking about 4th bike :-)
As far as the statment about the Ninja 650 being boring as hell??? Those damn stock handle bars really take away the fun feel factor, you need to ride one with the aftermarket sport handle bar (Yes makes that big a differance). |
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January 10th, 2013, 05:45 AM | #39 |
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Never rode it actually, it just looked awesome
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