February 14th, 2013, 04:39 PM | #1 |
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bike dies with clutch pulled in slowing down
My 300 has near 400 miles on it and sometimes when I pull the clutch in while braking it dies. Some times it does it, sometimes it doesn't, I haven't seen any pattern so far. I looked online and there's a video on youtube with a lot of people saying they are having this problem too. It's also posted about on another forum. Is this happening to anyone else here? I plan on taking it to the dealer in a week or so.
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February 14th, 2013, 04:56 PM | #2 | |
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February 14th, 2013, 06:20 PM | #4 |
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With that low of mileage the dealer should fix it charge free, I wouldn't tinker with it though if you leave any trace they can use it against to you.
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February 14th, 2013, 07:18 PM | #5 | |
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It is pretty low when it's warmed up but I saw another post saying that he increased his idle speed and it kept happening.
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Yeah that's what I thought so I haven't touched it yet. Maybe they can use my hard break-in against me? Although on another forum I saw that a member did a soft break-in and kept it under 40 mph and he is also having this problem. |
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February 14th, 2013, 07:20 PM | #6 | |
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It is pretty low when it's warmed up but I saw another post saying that he increased his idle speed and it kept happening.
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Yeah that's what I thought so I haven't touched it yet. I also bought the extended warranty from the dealer so I definitely won't be paying to get this fixed. I thought it was because I did a hard break-in but on another forum I saw that a member did a soft break-in and kept it under 40 mph and he is also having this problem. |
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February 14th, 2013, 07:34 PM | #7 |
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no way they can know your brake-in technic My dealer told me for brake in, "just don't go too crazy".
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February 14th, 2013, 07:51 PM | #8 |
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Yeah that's what they told me too. Newer engines aren't as sensitive as older ones. My bike hasn't seen the redline yet anyway but I have done some freeway riding.
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February 14th, 2013, 08:51 PM | #9 |
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Yup, common problem getting a lot of play on the interwebz. It's happened to me exactly once in the first few hundred miles. I increased my idle a bit and it never happened again. I have 2500 miles on it now.
I also always blip the throttle on downshifting. Some folks are angry about 'oh you shouldn't HAVE to do that.' I dunno. But this seems common for small displacement FI bikes (CBR had TONS of issues). Lots of folks still learning to ride grab the throttle as soon as they're ready to decel. The fuel cuts, rpms drop really fast, and the bike dies. My guess is that having a slightly low idle aggravates the problem, as the rpm drops even further. So can't be sure, of course, but my guess is that if you: 1, raise your idle a bit, and 2, don't grab the clutch until you need to (and work on blipping the throttle on downshifts), your problem will go away. My hypothesis. Good luck. |
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February 15th, 2013, 10:21 AM | #10 |
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when i bought my 250 new with 2 miles on it, the setup-mechanic told me to "go slow for the first 10 miles, then ride it like you stole it"
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When the engine load is light like at idling or low speed, the ECU determines the injection quantity by calculating from the throttle vacuum (inlet air pressure sensor output voltage) and engine speed (crankshaft sensor output voltage). You may want to try blipping the throttle when you pull in the clutch to see if that fixes the problem. Also upping the idle a little may help as well. |
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February 15th, 2013, 11:40 AM | #12 |
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How easy is to adjust the idle for the fuel injected Ninja 300?
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February 15th, 2013, 11:57 AM | #13 |
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if its anything like the old EFI models then it should just take a 1/8 turn of idle adjustment screw after a through warm up.
probably a good idea to sync the throttles as well.
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February 15th, 2013, 01:06 PM | #14 |
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huge thread on the other forum about this. apparently installing tuners have fixed it. it is not a problem with clutch engagement.
blipping the throttle while pulling in the clutch solves the issue completely. my bike only does it every once in awhile if i pull in the clutch within the first 1-2 minutes the bike is on. |
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This is the part where people like me who wish they had a 300 say something like "My bikes got carbs and no slipper clutch and this never happened to me"
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February 16th, 2013, 12:43 AM | #17 |
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From what I'd read in the net up to now this must be a very common problem for the 2013 300 cos since this engine is built to meet emission standards the setup is just to lean and the best way to fix it is to get a pcv or anything like that.
Just take a look at the technical data and you'll see it. The newgen 250-FI had this problem also but not that much like the newer 300 now. |
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February 16th, 2013, 10:03 AM | #18 |
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Hasn't been a problem on mine.
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I dunno if it might have something to do with weight also. The one time it happened to me was riding two up, going downhill, and so I pulled the clutch early, without blipping, just to smooth things out for my wife. One guy on another forum said it always happened to him going downhill.
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...lol. Carbs are foolproof. Don't get so excited. It's easy to make a carb that bogs and dies after being revved.
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February 16th, 2013, 11:45 AM | #22 |
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Not a 100% sure but mine died after a couple of seconds after I dropped mine Wednesday. After I picked it up it wouldn't start all it would do was turn over and the cel would flash. Turned the key off and back on and let the fuel pump cycle and she started right up.
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No issues on my bike but I do blip the throttle on downshift and my idle is set at 1500rpm. Seems those two things together may just fix that problem. In any case no self respecting sport bike rider will not blip the throttle on downshift and even sometimes on up-shift just to make it sound cool...
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Mine does this too, stupid piece of **** bike
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increase the idle a little.
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Jiggles, that is too funny...the "Faster than" thingy..
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Does the 300 cut off fuel during decel?
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March 31st, 2013, 01:02 PM | #32 |
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My bike hasn't had the issue yet but this is the only video I could find on it.
http://youtu.be/4nAd_fScJsM I can't see any issues with rider error, and it looks like it happens at low rpms about 3K or so.
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Pretty sure it does but it doesn't just die it like slowly goes down to 1000 rpms then stalls out
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Some speculation on this: 1) They set it up this way so a new rider on a test ride is less likely to kill it? 2) This has something to do with passing emissions? 3) They set it high to lessen the possibility of the stalling phenomenon? 4) Something to do with fuel mapping and throttle cut-off during shifting? During my still on-going break-in period...the engine surprisingly quit one time during a routine shift..nothing to be done...it just stopped. Re-started immediately.....no more incidents. |
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Key it on, off, on letting it finish making the startup noises before switching it or firing up has helped a bit. I think @akima had a similar problem with her FI 250, don't know if she put a Power Commander in |
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April 4th, 2013, 01:00 AM | #38 |
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mine did this a bit in the break in period, i told the mechanic when i took it back in for the break in service he couldn't find anything wrong and told me to bring it back if it continues to do it.
it stoped doing it after the first service for me ... so i dunno. |
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Apparently this is a fairly common problem among the 300's. First of it's breed, what can you expect I suppose.
I've had this happen more than I'd like, I was able to recreate a few times until the bike warmed up, then there were no issues. FI issue probably, but i thought the clutch might be funky at first because the previous owner had messed with the cables a bit. GET THIS: The previous owner had pointed out to me that he tightened the throttle cable until there was no free play what so ever. The bike ran fine until I adjusted the cable for a little bit of free play (How every bike i've ever rode has been). Suddenly I started having this issue. IT looks like he must have tightened the throttle to constantly apply throttle even at rest to keep the bike from stalling? I did some research on the web and there s a ton of complaints on it, i'm not sure if there's any sort of recalls on it because the kawasaki recall page is suddenly not working properly. I was thinking of just upping the idle a tad and seeing if that helps.. it's already kind of high if i recall correctly though. Thoughts?
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