July 23rd, 2013, 11:11 PM | #1 |
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300 Slipping out of 2nd and into neutral
Have any of you folks encountered this issue with your 300?
This typically happens when I'm accelerating hard, shift to second and ease off the gas. As soon as I start easing off the throttle in 2nd gear, I feel the gear slipping (I lose power) and I'm suddenly in neutral. Is this common during the break-in period? I'm not exactly babying the bike, lots of hills and curves that I refuse to ease up on (Got to get comfortable in the curves if I want to step up to the track in the future). |
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July 23rd, 2013, 11:58 PM | #2 |
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Most definitely not normal and never happens on my bike. Could you somehow only be 'partially' in gear and maybe riding the clutch? Not good for the bike if the gears are slipping like that.
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July 24th, 2013, 12:12 AM | #3 |
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That might be a possibility. I usually cover the clutch and given the easy pull I may be riding it. I wonder if this is actually me, not kicking up all the way to 2nd...
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July 24th, 2013, 12:31 AM | #4 |
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Shift harder. Like really kick that ****er, kick it in the nuts, straight into 2nd gear.
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July 24th, 2013, 12:42 AM | #5 |
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Try lowering your shift leaver down some so it takes less movement of your foot to shift up
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July 24th, 2013, 01:39 AM | #6 |
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Like Jiggles said, kick up harder. You can also try putting pressure on the shift lever before pulling the clutch in. Also, since 300's have a friction zone pretty far out, you might accidentally be causing slipping by covering the lever.
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July 24th, 2013, 10:22 AM | #7 |
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Mine was back-shifting out of 4th and 5th gear at full-throttle high-rpm at the track last week. I run a quick-shifter on it, and it was going into the gear cleanly but then popping back down to the lower gear after a second or two. I just installed the FactoryPro shift detent kit in it and will try it again at the track this weekend to see if that solves the problem.
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July 24th, 2013, 10:41 AM | #8 | |
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July 24th, 2013, 10:49 AM | #9 | |
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Nothing wrong with being smooth and nice with a baby machine;........ it will return to you as reliability and precise controls later on. Rather than using damaging hard or pre-loading shifting, take your time on moving the selector lever all the way until your foot feels a solid top. Assertive and ample clutch-in doesn't hurt either. I second the shifter adjustment to your ergonomics.
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July 24th, 2013, 11:33 AM | #10 |
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harder is incorrect. being abusive on the shifter will result in ****ed up shift drum arms. (these are different from the shift forks) but anyway, the problem is that you are not releasing the hold on the engine for long enough. that means that you are not snapping the throttle closed fast enough, or not leaving it closed for long enough, or using the clutch and not pushing the lever down all the way before reapplying power.
once you shift, hold the shift level down (or up... which ever direction you shifted) for a few seconds past the shift. if you let it up too quickly it can fall out, or if you let it up when you are going to fast with your throttle close/clutching you can only engage the gear partially and it will slip out next time the gears aren't pressing against each other (let off throttle) note, don't hold the shift lever away from center position too long, just a second or two. count "one-one thousand, two-one thousand" there is a little spring in there that loses tension over time by moving the shift lever (this is what returns it to the center position) and i actually just lost that spring the other day because it lost enough tension to the point that the spring came off the arm.
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July 24th, 2013, 06:34 PM | #12 |
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I had it happen once, scared the crap out of me. Put it back in gear and never had it happen again. Dunno the cause, or the solution... Was a one and done situation
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July 25th, 2013, 03:01 PM | #13 |
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Today was much better. I was paying attention to how quickly I was letting the clutch and how much throttle I was giving. Turns out it was a combination of letting the clutch out too quickly and too much throttle.
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July 25th, 2013, 03:35 PM | #14 |
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the 300 was a dream to shift with compared to the 250. clutchless was effortless and smoother than clutched upshifts i thought. i tried as hard as i could to lock up the rear wheel with engine brake alone and couldn't get more than a chirp out of it with the slipper.. really smooth let go on the slipper too, nothing abrupt at all. i was very pleasantly surprised. if you feel spicy, try not using the clutch when upshifting. its easiest when done from WOT. be safe.
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August 23rd, 2013, 01:11 PM | #15 |
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this has actually happened to me once. but i think it was more rider error rather than the bike. was riding hard and i think i didn't fully upshift.
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August 23rd, 2013, 01:14 PM | #16 | |
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Gotten over the positive neutral finder too... |
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I got mine to do it a second time... Def rider error!!! I know what I did wrong each time, never had it happen anywhere but second. Good job sorting yours out
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September 14th, 2013, 11:42 PM | #18 |
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I've actually had this issue on my 300. I was kicking the shifter at the same time that I was releasing the clutch. My hands were moving a bit faster than my foot apparently. Started holding the clutch a half second longer and haven't had the issue again.
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October 1st, 2013, 08:35 AM | #20 |
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The shift detent kit did firm up the shifts, but I still get that backshifting problem occasionally. I've narrowed it down to occurring pretty much only on the first couple of laps when the engine is colder, after that it never seems to happen. Also, with the quick-shifter I have to be very sure not to let my foot come anywhere close to the lever in between shifts or I can accidentally bump it and cause the issue that way.
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Anyone had issues with being in 3rd gear and slipping back in neutral?
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April 24th, 2015, 04:10 PM | #24 |
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Not completely unheard of... sounds like to me the ninja 300 gear box is garbage or something... I've had it slip a few times on me... My old ninja 250's did it too actually. I heard kawi had clunky gearboxes..
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April 25th, 2015, 08:30 AM | #25 |
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Mine tends to do pop out of gear when decelerating under engine braking, very disconcerting when you're tipping into the corner!
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May 22nd, 2015, 09:29 AM | #26 |
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Seems like I need to talk the boss into undercutting a 300 trans up and down to see if it helps...
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May 22nd, 2015, 10:19 AM | #27 |
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May 26th, 2015, 09:08 AM | #28 |
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Yes it would be. Might help the transmissions live longer as well. It does with the Hayabusa powered cars and drag bikes that we normally do it for.
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September 16th, 2015, 10:53 AM | #29 |
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mmm love when i dont kick it hard enuff
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September 16th, 2015, 11:44 AM | #30 | |
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September 16th, 2015, 11:49 AM | #31 |
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damn, glad I top out at about 75mph, probably just doesn't like that I'm over 200lbs
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September 19th, 2015, 05:56 AM | #33 |
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Hold the shift lever up with your foot and let it go ONLY after you've fully released the clutch.
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September 19th, 2015, 12:56 PM | #34 |
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never had the issue with mine. I do still have a factory warranty and I am renewing it for another 2 years because of the bugs I read about.
that being said my bike is within the first 1100 made.
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Pre-loading the shift lever with your foot just before you pull in the clutch also helps assure a crisp shift. (It's a habit for riders of BMWs with older Getrag transmissions).
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Bent shift fork from too many wheelies. Engine tear down.
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