GSXR 600 - first bike - lasts 300 feet.

[adouglas]

BAHAHAHA

Link to original page on YouTube.

[BRad704]

Besides all the things that went into his crash, I'm most confused about why they were pulling the bike across the pavement and up the metal roll-back while gas was pouring out of the tank. Not that I've never done anything unsafe around gasoline, but come on... 1 idiot that walks up with a cigarette or one spark at the wrong time from dragging the bike. Really?

"Too rich to burn", yeah I thought about that too, but still. Unsafe.

[subxero]

HTF did it end up in that drain pipe?

[Motofool]

I had never seen the spokes of a wheel cleanly broken like that !!!

It is criminal that these machines are available to inexperienced riders.

[choneofakind]

Haha at least he can sell the tires to try and recoup his losses thanks for sharing this video!!

Originally Posted by Motofool

It is criminal that these machines are available to inexperienced riders.

That debate is a whole new thread in its own right.

[7oxSin]

and to think, all the 's that tell you "im too big for a 250 i need to start out on a 750 minimum" or the ever so popular im 6'7" and over 250 pounds, i need a gixxer 1000 for my first bike. or maybe a busa.

i just wish they had vid of little buddy emptying his bowels.

need to put a sticker on the tachometer that says "suelta la caca" (empty your SHlT)

[Motofool]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

..........That debate is a whole new thread in its own right.

Right.

http://www.ksat.com/news/motorcyclis...4/-/index.html

Another new rider dies leaving dealership

[massacremasses]

Natural selection.

Glad this guy didnt die though.

[rasta]

You can't fix stupid

[Snake]

A prime example of a newbie trying to go too big too fast.

[Peanut_EOD]

Makes me want to go buy a new 636. Why are dealerships closed on Monday?!

[Old Lemon]

he should be laughin now that hes alive haha, sheeeeet

[csmith12]

[7oxSin]

Originally Posted by Peanut_EOD

Makes me want to go buy a new 636. Why are dealerships closed on Monday?!

while your out grab me one, ill give you my ninja and a sniper rifle for it.

[ForceofWill]

He won't ever try to ride again and will probably go on to tell people how dangerous motorcycles are and that they're all death traps.

[gantt]

Its ok guys. i will be sure to just take it easy until i get used to it. FAIL!!!!!! Haha

[Peanut_EOD]

Originally Posted by 7oxSin

while your out grab me one, ill give you my ninja and a sniper rifle for it.

What kind of rifle are we talking?

[anacron]

Originally Posted by Motofool

I had never seen the spokes of a wheel cleanly broken like that !!!

It is criminal that these machines are available to inexperienced riders.

Apparently in Europe you can ride these bikes but they are HP limited (I think 34 HP) until you've had a year of experience. After that period you can get the limiter taken off and (ideally) be able to manage the gobs of power available to you.

[maxgohan]

Originally Posted by anacron

Apparently in Europe you can ride these bikes but they are HP limited (I think 34 HP) until you've had a year of experience. After that period you can get the limiter taken off and (ideally) be able to manage the gobs of power available to you.

would it really be that easy to detune an engine that much?

seems unlikely

[anacron]

Originally Posted by maxgohan

would it really be that easy to detune an engine that much?

seems unlikely

No idea how they detune the engine. I just came across this article.... which has a list of motorcycles limited to 35HP (including CBR600's, ZX6r's).
http://www.timberwoof.com/motorcycle/faq/europe.html

It could be a manufacturer specific thing b/c I don't see the GSXR 600...

[choneofakind]

The could supply a secondary throttle stop for learning riders. Bike won't make much power if you only allow the throttle to open to 30%

That would require the least work, as it would be removable without damage, wouldn't require jetting changes, and would be cheap enough to charge the rider for.

[JohnnyBravo]

I'm surprised graduated licensing hasn't been applied to bikes yet, but I guess if enough folks do stupid things on their first ride on their new first bike hyabusa we will gradually out grow the motorcycle "problem"

[adouglas]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

The could supply a secondary throttle stop for learning riders. Bike won't make much power if you only allow the throttle to open to 30%

That would require the least work, as it would be removable without damage, wouldn't require jetting changes, and would be cheap enough to charge the rider for.

The kind of person who would buy a supersport for their first bike would remove that stop immediately. Typically before they ride for the first time.

Think about the mindset of these people.

[JohnnyBravo]

Originally Posted by adouglas

The kind of person who would buy a supersport for their first bike would remove that stop immediately. Typically before they ride for the first time.

Think about the mindset of these people.

In America... True. In more civilized places probly not! The older I get the less sense this American experiment seems to make. Though a good idea was turned over to some to turn into what it is becoming

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by adouglas

The kind of person who would buy a supersport for their first bike would remove that stop immediately. Typically before they ride for the first time.

Think about the mindset of these people.

Bingo. I've read that it's not hard for novice riders to remove the restriction on their restricted supersports in Europe. That makes me think it's either a throttle stop or an air restriction. Of those, a throttle stop seems like the most umbrella-eque solution from the BMV's point of view.

However you're definitely right; it's like the plugs/caps on our mix screws. We all know we're not supposed to remove them (curse that EPA ) but we do anyway, because POWAAAAAHHH!


EDIT: perhaps we can get an idea of how these restrictions are physically implemented on larger bikes in Europe? @Whiskey, @akima? I know you both aren't fond (understatement?) of the tiered system and the restrictions it imposes on new riders, but I'm still curious how they physically go about 'restricting' the larger bikes. Throttle stop? Intake restriction? ECU reflash?

[Alex]

They do seem to be simple gadgets:

from here:

A company known as Fi International supplies restriction kits for pretty much any motorcycle, these kits work in the following ways, some washers that fit between the carburetor and the engine, restricting the flow of air/fuel mixture, and/or a throttle stop, that simply wont allow you to fully open the throttle. Both have essentially the same effect and both are blindingly simple bits of kit, yet some how they’ll cost you between £150 and £250! Why? Partly because Fi International are the sole UK importer of these restriction kits, and partly because people believe that to ride legally on a restricted licence, you need one of these kits and a bit of paper to prove you have one. Fi International seem to have us over a barrel.

[Christofini]

Originally Posted by Alex

They do seem to be simple gadgets:

Can't talk for the UK, but here in Spain and Germany, certain dealerships program an artificial rev limiter into certain FI bikes to prevent people from uninstalling them. It's much harder that way and shops wouldn't be able to remove it legally.

Mechanically, a washer of sorts is placed between the throttle cable and actuator on the carbs, which limits the amount of fuel that can enter the engine (essentially a throttle stop...AND a rev limiter). That limits the engine's top speed and acceleration considerably. They say this limits the engine to 34hp.

If you're an inexperienced rider, it's legally required to have an L plate on the back of your bike, up to a year after obtaining the license. Your technical inspection card must show the bike is limited and so must all the vehicle's other papers. Not having the bike limited (or not having the proper papers) or tampering with the system can lead to fines of up to 750€ and having your license permanently revoked.

I've opened quite a few bikes up, but mainly because the rider was past his 1 year noobie period. Shops are legally obliged to check every 34hp+ bike to make sure the limiter is in place if it has an L plate. There's probably other ways to limit the bike, but down here most just use the washer in the carbs. Fancy brands such as Ducati or BMW use an electronic limiter which I haven't had any experience with...

I hear liter bikes can still pop a wheelie even with the limiter in place though

[Whiskey]

Originally Posted by JohnnyBravo

In America... True. In more civilized places probly not! The older I get the less sense this American experiment seems to make. Though a good idea was turned over to some to turn into what it is becoming

Originally Posted by choneofakind

Bingo. I've read that it's not hard for novice riders to remove the restriction on their restricted supersports in Europe. That makes me think it's either a throttle stop or an air restriction. Of those, a throttle stop seems like the most umbrella-eque solution from the BMV's point of view.

However you're definitely right; it's like the plugs/caps on our mix screws. We all know we're not supposed to remove them (curse that EPA ) but we do anyway, because POWAAAAAHHH!


EDIT: perhaps we can get an idea of how these restrictions are physically implemented on larger bikes in Europe? @Whiskey, @akima? I know you both aren't fond (understatement?) of the tiered system and the restrictions it imposes on new riders, but I'm still curious how they physically go about 'restricting' the larger bikes. Throttle stop? Intake restriction? ECU reflash?

Most modern ones are a combination of throttle stop & ECU map.

Older machines will have the washers & may have slides on the carbs and/or a throttle stop.

On the 650 its a screw at the lower end of the throttle & a wire into the ECU.

I think gixxers have a separate ECU, you see some for sale on the Irish forums.

Where I'm from the restriction is a joke, if you can pay what the insurance companies quote you for whatever you want hop on, it'll officially have to be restricted, but that can be worked out very easily. Once they have the money & paperwork they're happy.

Now if you're caught you may be in some real deep ****, (no licence for that class of machine, + no insurance =$$$$ fines, banned from driving for a year or more & depending on if the judge is a wanker, most are, you could be looking at more prison time than a rapist/ child molester) but if you don't go hooning it somewhere obvious you can ride out the 2 years trouble free.

Have a crash & you're better off running if possible, burning it out & calling it in as stolen.

In the UK it's a bit more strict, people have to start on a 125cc, but anyone over 21 could do a different test & get the full power licence straight away.

The fourth reich have changed the rules recently, so now everywhere has to allow the direct access route, but the age has gone up to 24

[Christofini]

I've had the joy of sitting in the back of a Spanish cop car after failing to provide registration & license at a checkpoint (it was a 25 second run down my neighborhood road to the corner shop...I pocketed a fiver and donned my helmet / gloves) and almost had 2 months jail for riding a bike outside my CC range (they thought it was a 600 despite the 250R stickers). The only reason I got out of it was because I have photos of all my papers on my phone. If I had been riding a 600 and had my papers on me, I'd have lost my license permanently and had additional jailtime.

The CO didn't even let me walk the few minutes to my house to prove I had the proper license...he'd rather do a 45 minute ride to the station.

[Motofool]

Originally Posted by anacron

Apparently in Europe you can ride these bikes but they are HP limited (I think 34 HP) until you've had a year of experience. After that period you can get the limiter taken off and (ideally) be able to manage the gobs of power available to you.

Thanks, Adi.

After reading the thread about a similar fatal and sad accident that I have linked in post #7, I have learned that the problem doesn't have an easy solution.

Maybe a combination of HP restrictions, smarter laws and improved education of new riders could reduce the number of fatalities and traumatic first experiences.

This thread is very interesting !!!

[anacron]

For the most part I think its an instant gratification thing.

I really don't understand why people never talk or think about the likes of Rossi, Stoner, Lorenzo, etc. starting their careers on small displacement and moving up. If you're in it for the art then why the hell would you ever start on a bigger bike?

I just think the ninjette community, in general, has a much more mature outlook about this and gobs of patience. I've seen tons of youtube vids where people claim to buy supersports/liters because they wanted to feel scared of the bike...

I call bullshit - you should move up when the 300 has nothing to teach you and when the supersport represents a natural challenge to further enhance your skills.

[lgk]

People have different milestones in their riding development...
A lot of misguided riders think simply going fast and having a powerful bike is an accomplishment.

It not really that impressive, lol.

Knowing how to push it to the limit is...

[akima]

Originally Posted by anacron

For the most part I think its an instant gratification thing.

I really don't understand why people never talk or think about the likes of Rossi, Stoner, Lorenzo, etc. starting their careers on small displacement and moving up. If you're in it for the art then why the hell would you ever start on a bigger bike?

I just think the ninjette community, in general, has a much more mature outlook about this and gobs of patience. I've seen tons of youtube vids where people claim to buy supersports/liters because they wanted to feel scared of the bike...

I call bullshit - you should move up when the 300 has nothing to teach you and when the supersport represents a natural challenge to further enhance your skills.

All so true. I've been riding my 2fiddy for 2 years now, learning new things all the time and gaining confidence. I look back on how I was when I started and can see how much I've progressed, but... I still feel I can learn soooo much more on this bike.

[Grishbok]

10$ says that thing shows up on ebay "lightly used all yellow gsxr 600, 1/4 mile"

[Motofool]

A Floridian newbie who made a bad choice of a learning bike, ...........and an even worse choice of a friend.

http://www.soflasportbikes.com/forum...went-down.html

Another healing proof that it is criminal that dealers, private sellers and bad friends make these machines available to inexperienced riders.

[Alex]

bad link, @Motofool - it looks like it has been clipped

[Motofool]

Fixed up !

[Panda]

Didn't she used to post on this site? She had that video of a driveway drop I think? Also the one wear she hits a pothole and totals her 250.

[massacremasses]

I wont let my friends who havent ridden before ride my bike. Most understand. Its not a liter bike, but its still a super sport. Its not a toy

[akima]

Originally Posted by Panda

Didn't she used to post on this site? She had that video of a driveway drop I think? Also the one wear she hits a pothole and totals her 250.

I'm not sure, but other people have posted her youtube videos into the Videos forum multiple times... usually because she's done something stupid... like when she road raged against a bunch of guys in a pickup truck... who then decided to chase her down.