March 14th, 2014, 07:14 PM | #161 |
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Guys, the bike you're looking at is just a prototype... A lot will be changed by the time it actually comes into production... You can definitely say good bye to all the bling in the production model. From what I've been reading they aren't even confirmed about the engine yet... It might be a single or a parallel twin.
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March 14th, 2014, 07:45 PM | #162 |
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We know, still would rather they teased with this as a 350cc shrieker!
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March 14th, 2014, 08:04 PM | #163 |
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If this was available here I'd buy it in a heartbeat even though it's a 125. it's gorgeous. I'd give my left ovary. And if the 300 has all the bling that this does, then I've died and gone to heaven.
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March 14th, 2014, 08:08 PM | #164 |
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I went as far as to contact Aprilia and Derbi last month to beg them to import their 125cc SS bikes!
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March 14th, 2014, 08:10 PM | #165 |
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Who needs ovaries anyway? |
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March 14th, 2014, 08:24 PM | #166 |
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March 14th, 2014, 08:45 PM | #167 |
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Quote: "Also the rumor that the final product will be a 300cc (YZF-R30) has intensified."
The guys on this website most time know what they talk about... http://www.motorcycle.in.th/article....-Outside-Japan |
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March 14th, 2014, 09:17 PM | #168 |
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When the USA gets a sensible tiered licensing system,
then you can get nice small bikes we in the rest of the world have enjoyed for decades. |
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March 14th, 2014, 09:32 PM | #169 |
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I don't need tiered licensing shoved down my throat, I just want cool, small bikes. Your system also brought about the most boring bikes ever created in the Honda 500cc twins, so thanks anyway!
Maybe we can raise insurance costs too, that might work, huh? Raise the price of fuel? Tax the population out of the sport entirely? It is dangerous after all. Sensible. Yeah, OK. A 18 year old adult can drive a military tank in combat or use deadly force as a police officer but can't ride a bike with over 15 HP. And this coming from a guy with a RZ500??? Maybe keep politics out of the bike discussions? |
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March 14th, 2014, 09:47 PM | #170 |
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That derbi is nice old3
As well as the Aprilia of course You know I had never heard of Paioli till I saw their name on the Derbi forks Interesting website & they have various USD legs even a 37mm geared to 125's as well as 41mm & more http://www.paioli.com/eng/prod.php# |
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Irony heh. Keep up those goddam Liberties, they've prevented you from a plethora of nice 125's and 250's the rest of the world has enjoyed, and whole lot more that may come along. And yep I bought my RZ in 1985, but I did spend 2 yrs on 250's first and a moped at 16. Maybe helped me to stay alive all these years. |
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March 15th, 2014, 01:34 AM | #172 |
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Here ya go this is perfect...
Only problem is cost 99,800 EUR or $138,000 Also it is just a single cylinder But......It does make 55bhp at 13,900rpm Not bad for a 250cc http://blog.ktm.com/klaus-hirsekorn-...x-engineering/ Seriously though I do wish someone "like" Kalex would do a frame or rolling chassis at reasonable price for sport/hobby folks Probably not possible though to deliver at a price sport/hobby folks would/could pay |
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March 15th, 2014, 06:12 AM | #173 | |
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I'm sure they are a big step up from our 1970 forks regardless. Whenever I handle mine I recall the old CB350s and Hodakas that wore similar forks. The ones you posted there look amazing. |
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March 15th, 2014, 06:19 AM | #174 | |
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March 15th, 2014, 06:30 AM | #175 | |
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I had bigger bikes as a teenager and maybe that kept me alive. Not the governments job to keep me safe from myself, thank you very much. They fook up everything they touch already. This is my 20 year old son. He was taught that he is responsible for his decisions and the consequences. He couldn't ride a bike with more than 15 HP in your country. I'll keep what is left of my liberties, enjoy the lack of yours cause, well, it is for your own good! |
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March 15th, 2014, 06:40 AM | #176 |
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March 15th, 2014, 06:44 AM | #177 |
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March 15th, 2014, 07:20 AM | #178 |
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Speaking of tiered licencing (Which I think is nanny state bollox) the Yam 300 can't be aimed at Europe, same reason that the N300 can't be. You need to do the test for the 2nd licence (a2) on a 395+ cc bike. You can own one with the a2, but need a 400-600 to get the a2 in the first place.
What's the point of a bike that you can't get your licence on? Honda's 500 was the only one you could buy, do your test on & keep for the 2 years. |
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March 15th, 2014, 08:01 AM | #179 |
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why isnt there any sport bikes in the 400cc area?
Wouldnt that be the perfect blend? even slightly faster than kawi 300, which is good, but not as ridiculously fast as a ss600.. |
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March 15th, 2014, 08:05 AM | #180 |
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In Oz we have LAMS,
basically 150kw/tonne including 90kg rider and limit of 660cc. So all the cbr250rr, zxr, fzr etc are included along with the 400's and boring heavy restricted 600's & 650's Excludes RGV, NSR TZR 250 which were allowed under the old 250 system that LAMS replaced. Europe has the 125's , that's why the manufacturers make them. Because of lams we get the 390's and a lot of other small bikes that come downunder. Stops noobs buying 600 & 1000cc supersports for the first year an the associated carnage. |
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Am I weird that I would be interested in a 600 or 636 that's been restricted to ~70 hp via messing with the throttle map? I can't be the only one. I'd be interested in buying a modern middleweight with 2 map settings; keep the full power one for track time/fun time, then take the other map setting and neuter the throttle map to about 60-70 hp so it's an easy riding street bike.
I think 70 hp from a mid-weight motor is that sweet spot for performance vs overkill vs realistic potential. More gutsy than the ninjettes, but not crazy temptation rockets. Plus an actual frame and suspension that handles well. |
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March 15th, 2014, 08:31 AM | #182 |
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I'm all for 400cc super sports, but within a certain price point of course... I'm sure they could shew horn a 650 twin and make a 650 ss out of our little ninjette
who wants to fund my frankenbike project? lol |
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not sure, likely somewhere around that magic 70 hp mark? I'd have to do some research to know. I think a GSXR would be a hard sell for me just because I know nothing about them. I'm a little more comfortable with Kawi's and Honda's. But I'd look into a GSXR600 with wet mode. I really am in love with Kawi green and how the new 636 looks though. |
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March 15th, 2014, 06:00 PM | #185 |
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Anybody heard of the Johnny Pag Falcon? Sounds interesting but the price makes me wonder of the quality.
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A=100% power (~124 BHP) B=75% power (~93) C=50% (~62) The current ones have 2, don't know what the lower one is. The numbers I'm using are from the current (l4) UK spec bike, can't find the numbers for the k8-k10. |
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It doesn't have modes though and it's likely a better street than track bike, at least if it's stock. |
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the 650 might need some suspension work though. I've no idea what the internals of those forks look like. Retrofitting cartridge internals is always an option though. |
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March 15th, 2014, 09:34 PM | #191 |
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Gixxer Mode A, B, C
From the manual it explains A-mode provides sharp throttle response at all the throttle opening range to otain maximum eninge power B-mode provides softer throttle response than A-mode at all throttle opening range C-mode provides softer throttle response than B-mode at all throttle opening range http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=225264 In Germany they sell kits to go down to at least 48 hp, so the beginners can start with a GSX-R600 Suki. |
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See the issue with that is I want throttle response but not 120 hp. So I want the throttle percentage map adjusted, not the throttle ramp in.
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March 16th, 2014, 02:21 AM | #193 |
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It used be restrict anything to 33 & it was legal, now it's learner gets a 125 A1) test, 2 years 125 <11 (or 15) bhp, A2) test on a 400-600, any capacity that's <47bhp (as long as the original power wasn't over 94bhp) 2 years, A) test on a 650+ with (I think >60bhp) & you're good to go. You can skip the A1 if you're 20, or the A2 if you're 24. This is from the same people who tried to ban bikes because they didn't fit with their 'vision zero' plan to remove all road deaths in a population of over a billion people. "they're dangerous and we know better than you because we cook the statistics, if you don't like it tough nobody elects us" their new way of doing it is to make it so expensive & full of red tape that people don't take it up. That's why I think tiered licencing is a load of bollox |
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I'm talking ramp-in, as in how the ECU reacts to an input (in this case, the throttle position sensor). If it were an instant signal, it's called a step input. If it's a gradual ramp-up to to the signal amplitude, it's called a ramp-in. There's tables in the ecu telling it how steep the slope of this ramp-in is based on engine rpm. They have to find the right balance between slow response to make the engine smooth during throttle changes and fast response so that the engine responds very quickly (like we expect and demand out of a sport bike during downshifts) to blips. I'm not talking about overall vehicle acceleration during a roll-on, I'm talking about how the ecu responds to the input (electrical signal) from the throttle sensor. That's how they dull down bikes for different throttle maps. The manufacturer decides how neutered their low map has to be, then they figure out how steep the ramp-in is and how much % of 'actual' throttle should be given to the engine when there is x % of 'rider' throttle requested. This limits both peak power and throttle response, without adjusting the fuel mixture. Remember that all new bikes are drive by wire. It's all control systems now. |
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March 16th, 2014, 06:18 PM | #198 | |
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That is interesting. I didn't know that. So you say this is a separate map & not the fuel map? This is not on the Ninja 250/300 is it? |
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This is just how an engine is controlled by a fuel injection system... There's tables for every parameter and equations relating all the tables. The ECU just follows the numbers based on the rider inputs and conditions. There's tables for ramp-in, rider input (throttle), volumetric efficiency, load, incoming air temp, engine temp, engine speed, air density, crank position, etc etc. |
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What was Euro/ Asia starting using 250 FI years? 2011? I am not sure but I know as far back as 2011 for sure I was curious because I play a lot with maps values on mine. I can adjust values separation from as little as 250rpm but usually use 500 rpm separation between values/changes These maps are of course the fuel maps but rely on the throttle sensor for input. I can tune for excellent crisp throttle response which I do but for me the trick is always adding a bit more fuel to achieve strong mid range without losing that crisp response which of course leaner always provides What is also interesting to me is studying all the maps from various after marker guys like Two Bro, Power Commander, Area p etc. They all seem to prefer overall leaner than stock settings in many spots of throttle % openings the one exception being FuelMoto whose map is quite rich but runs very strong pull wise & is not blubbery in the throttle response at all. Kind of has me scratching my head My problem is no dyno so it is a slow process where I usually load 2 altered maps & one zero map. That way when I test I can reset my brain/feel for the bike by reverting to stock between trying various maps. Fun to do & interesting to note the results |
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