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Whatever brand, so long as it's the correct heat range and has the right kind of top (interface for the ignition wire). Kwak shop manual says NGK C8HA or NipponDenso U24FS-L. I like NGKs and NDs. I'm sure you'll get some good suggestions! |
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December 6th, 2014, 04:46 PM | #42 |
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December 6th, 2014, 05:40 PM | #43 | |
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I know that I can Google these things but I like to get opinions and experience-backed advice and tips. These forums have some credibility so I check here.
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December 6th, 2014, 05:40 PM | #44 |
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I understand where Rob is coming from. I'd rather get recommendations from enthusiasts than from the google.
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December 6th, 2014, 06:00 PM | #45 | |
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Best to use NGK CR8HSA only. More info about plugs - http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/Changin...rands_to_avoid |
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December 6th, 2014, 06:08 PM | #46 | |
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Dude, your really poking the bear on this one, I personally used the NGK (7669) CR8HIX Iridium IX Spark Plugs, why because I can LOL. I ran them in my EX500 for 30k miles, with no issues, keep in mind also to disassemble, inspect, and clean the plug caps, and renew the wire ends as well, most people overlook these simple things.
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December 6th, 2014, 08:18 PM | #48 |
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December 6th, 2014, 08:26 PM | #49 |
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The answers you seek, are found here, http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/tech_su...e.asp?mode=nml
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December 7th, 2014, 12:24 AM | #50 |
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So... "standard type"?
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December 7th, 2014, 12:27 AM | #51 |
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Yup
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December 7th, 2014, 12:36 AM | #52 | |
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kawi uses 10w-40. not 5w-40. not 2w-40 or 1w-40. 10w-40. i wonder why that is? could it be that you are wrong? could it be that it doesn't matter where they measure a rating at but instead what the viscosity gradient relative to temperature gradient would be? ie... the weight? could it be that the two ratings create a line on a graph that can be extrapolated to any temperature and that curve maintained along those temperature gradients? even well past what the oil is measured at for rating? oil does not just stop getting thicker once it gets to the lowest measured rating btw could it be that an oem that produces millions of motors ... knows how to spec an oil? do you think it's possible that an oem that spec'ed our bikes at 10w-40 knows what viscosity the oil will be at when it gets cold? and that they know enough about plane bearings to correctly plan out how that oil and plane bearing will deal with temperature changes?
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December 7th, 2014, 12:41 AM | #53 |
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I knew this would happen..........
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December 7th, 2014, 12:45 AM | #54 |
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Warm, high load, is what I'm most concerned about when thinking about viscosity. Cold is only for a few minutes, and if the oil is a bit thick I'll take the performance hit.
I don't really car about performance when the bike, car, boat, lawnmower, or generator is cold. |
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December 7th, 2014, 12:45 AM | #55 |
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December 7th, 2014, 12:48 AM | #56 |
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Amen to that brother, I think the next topic should be tires LOL
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December 7th, 2014, 01:03 AM | #57 |
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December 7th, 2014, 05:25 AM | #58 |
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Since we're on the makers know best topic,
OEM TIRES ARE ALL YOU WILL EVER NEED, SAVE YOUR DEALERS, ORDER OEM TIRES FROM THEM!!!!
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December 7th, 2014, 08:39 AM | #59 | |
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The main reason is that cold starts are when your engine gets most of its wear, and an oil that moves quicker and easier (like a 5W synthetic) lubricates better and prevents wear. Hot temps are easy on oil as long as they don't exceed the normal range of about 250 F or so. If temps get above that, synthetic oil performs significantly better than conventional. |
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December 7th, 2014, 08:41 AM | #60 |
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I'm going with pixie oil next time LOL
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December 7th, 2014, 09:02 AM | #61 | |
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So you are using Kawasaki oil in your Kawasaki - right? They should make the best oil for their engines - right? Why use another brand? As far as manufacturer recommendations go - they can be way off. One of my cycles recommends replacing the oil filter every 3 oil changes. Another cycle I'm familiar with recommends an 8000 mi oil change interval when the engine hold 1.7 qts! The conventional "factory-branded" oil they recommend is also known to be pretty poor. They have a standard recommendation that they cut-and-paste in their owners manuals. Conventional oils can't get to a wide range like 5W-40 without a significant amount of Viscosity Improvers, and the more you have the worse durability the oil will have. When a conventional oil breaks down it drops to its low "W" range, which would not provide adequate oil pressure in hot conditions. That's why you won't see a 5W-40 conventional oil. If you start-up in 70F+ conditions all the time you can run a good quality conventional 15W-40 oil like Rotella T safely - just don't run it below 50F to avoid extra wear from reduced flow at start-up. Start-ups are the key to wear in normal conditions. Synthetic oils are different. True synthetics (there are a few level) don't use Viscosity Improvers, and can be made to give a wider range of viscosity without the fear of breaking down to their low rating. 10W-40 is a standard range that has been used for ages. It's as wide of a range as is feasible for a conventional oil. It's common and cheap to produce. I'm running a 10W-40 synthetic right now, but if I were doing more cold weather riding I would be running a 5W-40 synthetic. I use 5W-40 in my dirt bikes that run in the cold. I stated the benefits of a lower viscosity oil in my reply before this. |
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December 7th, 2014, 09:10 AM | #62 |
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There is a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding about oil that I'm trying to clear up. Hopefully there is someone here that will benefit.
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December 7th, 2014, 09:12 AM | #63 | |
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Very true, and I agree with your information. Perhaps your delivery is the fault, and not your information.
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December 7th, 2014, 09:44 AM | #64 |
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i had no idea you were a chemical engineer for oil industry! whats the proper cst for a w2 based bearing with a .001 clearance at 32f? and whats the cst for 10w spec oil at 32f again? and what is it at 5w again?
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December 7th, 2014, 09:47 AM | #65 |
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This is EXACTLY WHY I'm switching to PIXIE DUST OIL, it magically protects the engine, and makes it really fly, just have to clap a lot.
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You don't need to be a Chemical Engineer to understand oil. This is just basic information. Do some research and check out what I've said - or just complete disregard it... |
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December 7th, 2014, 09:57 AM | #67 |
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no no. you know better than every other OEM out there. everyone, don't trust kawi- trust this guy!
he says he knows what he is talking about you guys!
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December 7th, 2014, 09:59 AM | #68 |
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better make sure its "HIGH FLOW" pixie dust oil... whatever the **** that means.
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December 7th, 2014, 10:00 AM | #69 |
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I trust the magic
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i don't give a **** what oil you put in your bike. look where you are though. you are in a newbie thread suggesting people don't follow the manual. what's my reaction to that? my reaction is that you're wrong. especially if you're a newbie, follow the manual to a tee. had you have said this in your build thread would i have said anything? probably no. so don't take it as a personal attack because i really hate 5w oils because they will bring another rise of communism and bring stalin back from the dead or something. take it as an attack against your judgement about what you try to teach and communicate to others trying to learn. openly suggesting that people don't follow oem recommendations on oil doesn't contribute something beneficial in my opinion.
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Kawasaki isn't telling you NOT to use a 5W-40 oil are they? Once you are at operating temp it's all the same, you are just gaining protection from wear at cold start-up. It's just basic knowledge of the effect of temperature on oil, and its effect on lubrication in cold temps, that I'm covering here. You do believe oil gets thicker, and doesn't flow as easily, when it's cold - right? |
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December 7th, 2014, 10:53 AM | #75 |
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December 7th, 2014, 12:22 PM | #77 |
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A good oil thread every now and then rejuvenates the soul.
I just ran across the "General Specifications" sheet that came with my bike ('03 EX250-F17: Ninja 250R). Under Tuning Specifications, Engine, it states the following: Engine Oil: SE Class SAE 10W40, 10W50, 20W40, 20W50. |
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Back when that was the suggested rating, oils were different and standard automobile oils were fine to use in a cycle. Not any more. |
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December 7th, 2014, 02:52 PM | #79 | |
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I run 15W50 full synthetic in my K75 (only because the non-synth fogs up the oil level sight glass on the K75: Kawasaki seems to use better plastic than BMW in their sight glasses). |
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December 7th, 2014, 04:41 PM | #80 |
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any rated JASO-MA/MA2 oil will do just fine
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